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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: vajralight on April 14, 2011, 08:02:39 AM
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I found my hard copy of the Full Moon magazine (NKT) from way back (1994) and found this praise to Venerable Geshe-la.
A letter to Geshe Kelsang Gyatso
Dear Venerable Geshe Kelsang Gyatso
I sincerely hope that this letter finds your health and body well. I do wish you to live a very long life as it will no doubt bring tremendous benefit to many as it has in the past.
Learned spiritual teachers are becoming rare. Buddhist scholasticism in itself is not really beneficial, but combined with practice is something rare. You. I feel, are one of those rare combinations. Therefore I offer my prayers that your holy life may become stronger and live a long life.
Your books are not easy for me to get, but the few I have are excellent. I have gained tremendous knowledge from them. They are very complete, concise, organised, easy to follow, and well translated. Guide to Dakiniland goes with me wherever I go.
Very important to me is that the author has lineage, states the lineage, follows a recognised text that has infallible authors themselves, and the translating authors have received the commentary themselves. Your works contain all of the above. I have confidence in your books.
Because of the rarity of books, works, and sadhanas/commentaries of Je Phabongkhapa and Trijang Dorjechang translated in full, I rejoice from the depths of my heart in your works, your students assistance, and Tharpa Publications. Also the quality of the books and illustrations are excellent.
I therefore sincerely request you and your students to please continue. Your works are highly appreciated and kept as holy objects to continuously refer to when in question.
I request you Geshe-la, to please remain long and continue your most beneficial works.
I offer my humble prayers towards this,
Tsem Tulku Rinpoche
Tsem Ladrang
Ganden Shartse College
Mundgod, India
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Beautiful post!
Geshe Kelsang Gyatso has made such an impact in the west. I have copies of his books and they have been great study materials for me. His books are very methodological for any dharma students of all levels.
Unfortunately, GKG has received so many criticisms and highlights of controversies on him and his organization instead of praises and rejoicing over his beneficial works.
I noticed that this letter was written back in 1994 when there was much harmony among all practitioners. The ban came about in 1997 where many had to conform and give up what was not permitted. It was during this period that even previously peaceful associations became a cause of suspicion and conflict.
It warms my heart that this letter reminds us of the peaceful times where people could freely praise and rejoice in the good dharma works of others.
What a degenerate age we are living in. Nowadays, our minds are more drawn towards negative matters compared to rejoicing in virtuous acts.
I wish both GKG and Tsem Tulku as well as their organizations well and may all these great lamas continue their compassionate works.
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Geshe Kelsang Gyatso has made such an impact in the west. I have copies of his books and they have been great study materials for me. His books are very methodological for any dharma students of all levels.
I totally agree with you!
Funnily enough, it was the Dalai Lama who lead me to Geshe Kelsang Gyatso. I didn't know anything about other high lamas when I was first interested in Buddhism. All I knew was the Dalai Lama and his compassionate nature - I loved it! Whenever I searched on Buddhism 5 years ago, all I found was the Dalai Lama and his beautiful quotes :D
When I decided to buy my first book on Buddhism, I got "Buddhism in the Tibetan Tradition" by GKG. I didn't know which book to get started on, but when I saw that the Dalai Lama had written a foreword to this book, I felt that perhaps it was a sign to buy this one.
I found this book very clear and concise. GKG knows how to get a point across, and reading that book made me want to read more about Buddhism. I guess you could say that book got me started in Dharma :)
I noticed that this letter was written back in 1994 when there was much harmony among all practitioners. The ban came about in 1997 where many had to conform and give up what was not permitted. It was during this period that even previously peaceful associations became a cause of suspicion and conflict.
This book was published in 1984, a year before I was born. I seriously didn't think that since the publishing of this book so much would've happened!
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Very wonderful Tsem Rinpoche is a very high quality teacher himself ! :)
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I agree with what DSFriend said.
What I like best about this post is that it is one Lama rejoicing in the work of another Lama. Different Lamas and different schools have different methods and different practices, but we either can focus on the beneficial works of each other and rejoice or we can try to put each other down. The choice is always ours. It's unfortunate that people are often quicker to criticise than to praise. And what is the purpose? What end do we want to achieve aside from creating disharmony? Why not aim instead to achieve increasing harmony amongst our community? That's what I think Dharma is about.
Here is one Lama recognising the good qualities of another. And I think it is a great example for us to learn from.
The attainments and qualities of a Buddhist practitioner is best reflected in their actions, and in this case, I am so happy to see pure bodhicitta in action!
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Very wonderful Tsem Rinpoche is a very high quality teacher himself ! :)
Hey Zach W, I have seen this Lama's name come up a few times lately. One FB friend actually posted a link about him on my wall. I didn't pay too much attention to it at the time.
After reading this post, I did a search on him and found that he has quite a following. His style is definitely LESS formal and is rather funny. I didn't have time to look into all of them but what stood out for me is that he loves animals. And as I am a vegetarian, that really speaks to me.
I thought this video is lovely - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnPrbP91obU&feature=channel_video_title
I think it's wonderful that he is a Lama who promotes animal rights and actually loves animals. Just like Gonsar Rinpoche who takes the time to give blessings to all the students' pets in Rabten Choeling.
What touches me most about the letter posted here is exactly like what WB wrote - another Lama is rejoicing the work of other Lamas.
I wish everyone else could be like that too, then our world would certainly be a much better place.
I am also a great fan of GKG's books. I actually have a copy of "A Guide to Dakini Land". It was a gift from a friend a long time ago. I didn't even know who Geshe Kelsang Gyatso was back then!
Thanks, Vajralight for creating this thread.
May more and more people actually pay attention to the GOOD actions of good Lamas.
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Here is one Lama recognising the good qualities of another. And I think it is a great example for us to learn from.
The attainments and qualities of a Buddhist practitioner is best reflected in their actions, and in this case, I am so happy to see pure bodhicitta in action!
A definite point to be rejoicing for. High lamas are high not because somebody has put them on a throne and called them a high lama. On the contrary, it is because of their humility and their great practice of Bodhicitta, putting others ahead of themselves. High lamas, like we can see here in the example of Tsem Tulku, are never afraid to pay respects, praise honour and rejoice in the works of other lamas. They show clearly they have no ego and no hesitation to be joyful for the success of someone else over themselves.
This is clear if you look at the biographies of all great lamas. Even Trijang Rinpoche, the greatest of the great, and the Lama who has been the teacher to almost all teachers of our lineage today, expresses this aspect in his autobiography (see it here if you haven't already read it, excellent masterpiece... now awaiting the second half! http://dorjeshugden.com/articles/trijangrinpoche-bio-1of2.pdf ) More recently on this forum, someone posted an example of like Denma Locho Rinpoche, such a great lama himself, who wrote a beautiful account of another lama, Lithang Gyabgon Rinpoche). The post is here: http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1130.0 and of course there are many many other biographical accounts we can refer to.
Good to see a modern example in Tsem Tulku. He is becoming very well known for his good works and teachings in the Buddhist world but it is encouraging and inspiring to see he remains humble and a very strong example of real spiritual practice. There is a lot to learn from examples like this.
Rejoicing is a very central and significant practice and remember that it is one of the seven limbs. It is one of the key factors for our progress on our spiritual path. Karmically, we create the causes for our success in the swiftest and most plentiful way by sincerely rejoicing in others' success Tsem Tulku Rinpoche proves this "formula" of practice definitely works. He has a lot of his own success now but it started with something very humble. This kind of subtle but very profound aspect is is what I believe makes a lama a "high" one or not.
Humbly and in some kind of awe, beggar
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Hi Helena,
Thank you for this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnPrbP91obU&feature=channel_video_title
I do not know much depth about bodhicitta but if it means what Wisdombeing said then I will say it is great principles to abide to and live accordingly. It would truly make the world a peaceful and better place if we could practise the basics of harmony, respect and mutual praise. Lovely!
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I went to check out Tsem Tulku Rinpoche. He has some great material on line. I must admit he is pretty "online charming" and up-to-the-times. This Rinpoche has a pretty extensive blog which covers so many topics from physics to prayers. I read up some interesting articles. This one caught my eye and made a lot of sense. One would even say common sense but as we all know common sense is not that common. Check this out:
http://blog.tsemtulku.com
Article: It's Not Between You and the Recipient
It is empowering to read what he writes about. Not all holy stuff yet always about goodness in life.
I also checked out a whole list of books by Geshe Kelsang Gyatso. Amazing list of books. I got one entitled: How to Solve Our human problems online - tharpa.com
We are all so gifted to have such great masters to learn from!
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You know, it wasn't just Tsem Rinpoche that endorses Geshe Kelsang Gyatso's books, the Dalai Lama himself wrote a foreword for Geshe Kelsang's books along with the Ganden Tri Rinpoche of that time. His books were high-regarded because of the forewords. At that time, Geshe Kelsang Gyatso's books were published by Wisdom Publications. Later, Geshe Kelsang started his own, Tharpa Publications. How things have changed between the Dalai Lama and Geshe Kelsang. Despite the ban and its effects on Dorje Shugden practitioners like Geshe Kelsang, his books continue to be published and are everywhere.
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You know, it wasn't just Tsem Rinpoche that endorses Geshe Kelsang Gyatso's books, the Dalai Lama himself wrote a foreword for Geshe Kelsang's books along with the Ganden Tri Rinpoche of that time. His books were high-regarded because of the forewords. At that time, Geshe Kelsang Gyatso's books were published by Wisdom Publications. Later, Geshe Kelsang started his own, Tharpa Publications. How things have changed between the Dalai Lama and Geshe Kelsang. Despite the ban and its effects on Dorje Shugden practitioners like Geshe Kelsang, his books continue to be published and are everywhere.
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Yes I know even the Dalai lama reconmends Geshe-las books gee His Holiness sure does like to make contridictions. :D
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Yes I know even the Dalai lama reconmends Geshe-las books gee His Holiness sure does like to make contridictions. :D
It's as contradictory as when the Dalai Lama wrote a prayer to Dorje Shugden and now says Dorje Shugden is a spirit! That's the inconsistency which is puzzling.
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Here is the book cover and the forward by His Holiness the Dalai Lama for Geshe Kelsang's book. Interesting.
It was sad to see a few months ago, some ppl on this forum writing not very kind things about Tsem Tulku Rinpoche. I am glad to see this letter and really shows who Rinpoche is. It is nice to see us supporting and bringing beautiful threads like this for all to share.
Tsem Tulku Rinpoche from his letter rejoices in the good work of others (Geshe Kelsang) and requests Geshe-la to translate more items. Can see Tsem Tulku Rinpoche is a sincere soul and has pure intentions. He rejoices in Geshe-la's works. Of course this was before the ban. But how wonderful to see this young Tulku with a great mind. I rejoice in this thread. I am very happy to see this letter.
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I am happy to say that even in 2006 Tsem Tulku was brave enough to contine to praise Ven Geshe-la. At around the 10 min 55 second mark of this characteristicslly inspiring and provoking teaching he says:
"The great master, the Kadampa Geshe, Kelsang Gyatso, you can see very clearly his works, his centers, his books, his pure vows, and how many thousands of people he affects."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NJkuR3pk6Q&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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I am happy to say that even in 2006 Tsem Tulku was brave enough to contine to praise Ven Geshe-la. At around the 10 min 55 second mark of this characteristicslly inspiring and provoking teaching he says:
"The great master, the Kadampa Geshe, Kelsang Gyatso, you can see very clearly his works, his centers, his books, his pure vows, and how many thousands of people he affects."
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NJkuR3pk6Q&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/url]
Looks like Tsem Rinpoche is a great teacher.
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Looks like Tsem Rinpoche is a great teacher.
Some interesting information here:
www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=3862&p=35587#p35587
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Ever since someone posted about Tsem Tulku Rinpoche awhile back on this forum, I've visited his blog, facebook and websites to make up my own mind. I agree with Thaimonk. He is a great teacher.
In his online teachings which I have come across, Tsem Tulku embodies what I think Buddhism is about - respect for others and never to harm. He rejoices for all - from HH Trijang Rinpoche to Mother Teresa to Gandhi to the vegetable seller in Taiwan. So it doesn't surprise me at all that he rejoices in Geshe Kelsang Gyatso's work too. Tsem Tulku is an excellent example of Dharma in action for all of us, if I may humbly say.
Robert Thomas - great to see that you are rejoicing for Tsem Tulku! And cool that you know Tsem Tulku's youtube videos so well! I agree that they are inspiring and thought provoking. Sometimes very mind bogglingly funny too, but always there's something to learn from! Haven't watched them all yet though. I'm still playing catch up - there are so many!
(by the way, i have a question - i see that Robert refers to Tsem Tulku Rinpoche as "Tsem Tulku" and Thaimonk refers to him as "Tsem Rinpoche" - which is the appropriate title/name so I do not contravene the correct protocol? And is there a standard rule for this to refer to other Lamas? I've also seen some people refer tol him as Lama Tsem. His blog address is http://blog.tsemtulku.com so I would think that Tsem Tulku is more correct? Sorry for this slight divergence from the topic - any advice appreciated.)
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Looks like Tsem Rinpoche is a great teacher.
Some interesting information here:
www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=3862&p=35587#p35587
Thanks Lone Hermit... interesting info indeed.. Tsem Tulku Rinpoche's response on his blog as referred to at Dharmawheel is very wise and humbling. i hope that with that personal message, it will finally put the rumours to bed.
I've seen so much idle chatter about Tsem Tulku Rinpoche online - at other forums and even here previously... At least here and at Dharmawheel, there seems to be sensible moderation to curtail idle chatter which is a transgression against our refuge vows.
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Looks like Tsem Rinpoche is a great teacher.
Some interesting information here:
www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=3862&p=35587#p35587
Thanks Lone Hermit... interesting info indeed.. Tsem Tulku Rinpoche's response on his blog as referred to at Dharmawheel is very wise and humbling. i hope that with that personal message, it will finally put the rumours to bed.
I've seen so much idle chatter about Tsem Tulku Rinpoche online - at other forums and even here previously... At least here and at Dharmawheel, there seems to be sensible moderation to curtail idle chatter which is a transgression against our refuge vows.
There is always alot of talk both negative and positive about a teacher who is well known, famous and doing much to benefit others. All the talk everywhere just goes to show that Tsem Rinpoche is very famous now. Perhaps the next Lama Yeshe or Geshe Kelsang or Trungpa?
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Looks like Tsem Rinpoche is a great teacher.
Some interesting information here:
www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=3862&p=35587#p35587
Interesting discussion. If Tsem Rinpoche says he follows Dalai Lama, then so be it. We don't have to think any further. Tsem Rinpoche follows the Dalai Lama and does not wish to practice Dorje Shugden. As he says, it's his life and his freedom to do so or do as he likes. He is an American and enjoys his freedom of religious practice unlike the Tibetans in India. I wish Tsem Rinpoche the best.
Good thing is Tsem Rinpoche does not criticize Dorje Shugden or practitioners anywhere. Very skilfull teacher. He is a true follower of his lama, he does his practice/works and does not criticize anyone else.
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I didn't know that Tsem Tulku Rinpoche does not criticize Dorje Shugden. This is comforting to know. I am very happy to hear or learn of Lamas who do not utter ill words against our great Protector. Yes, it does show that Tsem Tulku Rinpoche is different from the rest. I wish there were more Lamas who can do the same. They do not need to criticize. They could observe a respectful silence.
Thanks for sharing, Mana.
Like what WB wrote earlier, idle chatter and gossips are no different. It is clear when some people are only interested in gossips and idle chatter, rather than Dharma discussions that promote learning and understanding.
Thank goodness this space is so different from the other places I have visited. I shall not name names here.
Thank you, Dorje Shugden.com!
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I saw a large offering from Tsem Tulku to Geshe Kelsang at the NKT festival in Singapore 2007. :)
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Any Photos for that Gomchen ? ???
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In this degenerate age, it is rare to find great and highly attained lamas. Venerable Geshe Kelsang Gyatso Rinpoche (GKG) and His Eminence Tsem Tulku Rinpoche (TTR) are two excellent examples of these high lamas.
If not for His great book entitled "Transform Your Life", i would not have seriously entered the path to enlightenment. It is this book that has brought me back to Dharma and the lineage of Tsongkhapa and Protector Dorje Shugden. How fortunate i am!
GKG has contributed so much to the spread of Buddhism in general and Lama Tsongkhapa Lineage in particular. His biggest legacy to the World is the collection of more than 18 books on the teachings of Lamrim, Lojong and Mahamudra. His works have been translated into many languages and are easily accessible compared to Buddhist texts written in Tibetan language. All the books written by GKG are a must-have for Gelugpa practitioners. GKG's teachings come from an authentic source and lineage which trace back to Lama Tsongkhapa and Shakyamuni Buddha.
There are so much good qualities about GKG. But one that i would like to highlight is his perfect practice of guru devotion. He keeps his samaya with his root guru His Holiness Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche pure by upholding his devotion to Dorje Shugden practice. Imagine a lama who is disowned by his monastery and the Tibetan Government and people. GKG is all alone but he had persevered till today! GKG is such a fearless, pure and sincere Dharma practitioner. He had performed the deeds of the Buddhas.
TTR is such an unconventional and yet traditional Buddhist Master of this modern time. Why is he so popular with huge following from people around the world? It is obvious if we check all his current works in various forms - YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, blog and websites, we will see that he uses skilful means to reach out to many people. TTR's personal blog: blog.tsemtulku.com is highly recommended to all who are interested to learn Dharma in general and Vajrayana in particular.
When it comes to teachings, TTR is very traditional. He never teaches anything that is not authentic and without a source. All his teachings come from many of his gurus who themselves are highly attained Buddhist Masters of this age. TTR emphasises pure and sincere practice. TTR shows perfect example of guru devotion. There are many more good qualities about TTR. In fact TTR is performing the deeds of the buddhas.
In summary, the World is very fortunate to have GKG and TTR.
May Venerable Geshe Kelsang Gyatso Rinpoche and HE Tsem Tulku Rinpoche have long and stable health.
May Venerable Geshe Kelsang Gyatso Rinpoche and HE Tsem Tulku Rinpoche continue to turn the Wheel of Dharma till the end of samsara.
OM BENZA WIKI BITANA SOHA.
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As far as I am concerned, as long as they are great Gurus and they sincerely spread the Dharma or bring Dharma to places I have not even heard of or visited, it is a wonderful cause to rejoice and celebrate.
There are so many Gurus and each are different in their style. Different people will be attracted to different styles of teaching. That is a given. The point is that everyone has a fair chance and the good fortune to meet with a Guru in the first place. As long as there is a Guru in a place, or country, Dharma has a chance to take root and grow from there. And that means, people of that place or country have a chance to benefit and in turn, become beneficial to others too. It is a wonderful thing indeed.
May all Gurus have long life and spread the Dharma even further and wider.
The Gurus are the most precious jewels at this day and age.
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Yes, it’s rare and precious to have one Lama praising and rejoicing at the great Dharma works of another, even though this letter was written some years ago.
I have also checked and found out a fair bit about Tsem Tulku Rinpoche. From the literature, including his biography, he strikes me as an amazingly great Lama himself. Very resilient, always looking forward and from his teachings on Youtube, I can see he is a great teacher, full of live and fun. I also checked and found his blog – blog.tsemtulku.com – that contains a vast diversity of very interesting topics and posts, which, upon, reading and viewing, I find very beautifully Dharmic in content and approach.
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Hi Zach-la,
No sorry. It was left on the offerings table, wrapped up in brown paper, quite a large object if I remember correctly. It had instructions that it not be opened by anyone other than Geshe-la.
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Hi Zach-la,
No sorry. It was left on the offerings table, wrapped up in brown paper, quite a large object if I remember correctly. It had instructions that it not be opened by anyone other than Geshe-la.
So I take it there was a message saying whom it was from then ? :)
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Yep, it was written on in marker pen I think, quite large writing, I didn't look very closely, didn't need to, It was to Geshe-la from Tsem Tulku via another name I think. This is all I remember, I didn't pay too much attention, just remember thinking it was interesting that he had given Geshe-la an offering and that one or more of his students was at the festival. :)
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Yep, it was written on in marker pen I think, quite large writing, I didn't look very closely, didn't need to, It was to Geshe-la from Tsem Tulku via another name I think. This is all I remember, I didn't pay too much attention, just remember thinking it was interesting that he had given Geshe-la an offering and that one or more of his students was at the festival. :)
Hmmm So how do you know it was from Tsem Rinpoche is it wasnt exactly his name ? :P
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Because it said from 'Tsem Tulku'. I doubt someone would pretend to give Geshe-la an offering from Tsem Tulku.
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This is a most interesting thread and I must admit it is one that has indeed made me 'look into' the life of Tsem Tulku Rinpoche. There is a wealth of information out there via his blog, websites, you tube, his organisation, etc... just by googling his name. One thing puzzles me though, which brings me to this question:
Tulkus are meant to have total control over their rebirth but yet Tsem Tulku Rinpoche 'chose' the life he was born into. What does that mean? He could have had a very 'cushy' life being born near the monastery and being recognised at a tender age and carried off onto his throne. Why didnt he? the little I know of this RInpoche, I feel he is using his very life as a teaching and how incredibly skillful and compassionate that is or am i merely connecting wrong dots here.
Whatever the case, as a new person to this forum, I find it refreshing and interesting as there is a lot to read and absorb... to a point of being overwhelmed really but in a good way. What I do like about this is that it is not one sided which makes it more of an opinion based sharing as opposed to regular forums out there that are constantly putting someone or something down.
Kudos to the team... however, I do not wish to insult anyone but I prefer the previous look of the site.
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This is interesting. The offering wrapped with brown paper and addressed to Geshe Kelsang Gyatso with a marker pen sounds extremely unlike Tsem Tulku from what I have seen on his website. His followers tend to present gifts elaborately - far too flamboyantly for my liking personally - but to just leave a gift on a table for a Lama of Geshe Kelsang Gyatso's calibre is extremely out of character. Even for gifts to lay people, they go way overboard with presentation - just go have a look at their website.. they certainly get 10 out of 10 for effort! So if Tsem Tulku was to give a gift to a Lama, i am sure it would be even more elaborate, and not just left on a table somewhere. And this via another name thing sounds very odd.
Terribly sorry but something smells of crimson herring here - and a rotten one at that.
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Hi Wisdom being,
I said what I saw because I thought people might be interested, it is no red herring. The way to make offerings to Geshe Kelsang at festivals, whoever they are from is to leave them on the offerings table, at some point his assistants come and get them and take them off somewhere. I guess it was covered so people could not see what was offered, I am pretty sure it was brown paper but I may be mistaken.
Many people leave offerings for Geshe Kelsang, they don't usually make a big song and a dance about it.
Thanks,
GR
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I still think it's odd. I heard that Lamas and teachers have a different protocol when giving gifts to each other which is different from students/lay persons giving gifts to a teacher/Lama. Perhaps GKG is different.
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I still think it's odd. I heard that Lamas and teachers have a different protocol when giving gifts to each other which is different from students/lay persons giving gifts to a teacher/Lama. Perhaps GKG is different.
If you where Tsem Rinpoche and you wished to give a gift to GKG do you think it would be wise to accounce it to the world ? especially with todays situation... :o
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I still think it's odd. I heard that Lamas and teachers have a different protocol when giving gifts to each other which is different from students/lay persons giving gifts to a teacher/Lama. Perhaps GKG is different.
If you where Tsem Rinpoche and you wished to give a gift to GKG do you think it would be wise to accounce it to the world ? especially with todays situation... :o
Exactly - in that same vein - if you were Tsem Rinpoche, would you leave a gift on a table with your name in big black marker ink? weird if you ask me, any which way you want to look at it!
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This has turned into one very strange thread. What's the point?
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I still think it's odd. I heard that Lamas and teachers have a different protocol when giving gifts to each other which is different from students/lay persons giving gifts to a teacher/Lama. Perhaps GKG is different.
If you where Tsem Rinpoche and you wished to give a gift to GKG do you think it would be wise to accounce it to the world ? especially with todays situation... :o
Exactly - in that same vein - if you were Tsem Rinpoche, would you leave a gift on a table with your name in big black marker ink? weird if you ask me, any which way you want to look at it!
(http://files.sharenator.com/GMDC_TOUCHE_Sharenator_Moti_Posters-s355x453-79984-535.jpg)
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This has turned into one very strange thread. What's the point?
Funny tagents come and go :)
Back to topic it was a nice praise that all I can say. ;D
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Sorry if people are confused. Just thought it was relevant to this thread, and that people might have been interested, I didn't expect people to be so suspicious. :-\
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I fully agree with Wisdom Being that Tsem Tulku Rinpoche would never leave a packet of brown paper with a marker pen for another Lama Ven Geshe Kelsang Gyatso Rinpoche. Tsem Rinpoche being a Lama of status would not make a gift in that manner to another respected Lama like Geshe Kelsang Gyatso. I smell a rat somewhere. There may be hateful and jealous people out there who are trying to tarnish the names of these two Lamas. One is a Geshe and one a reincarnate Tulku. I understand these two Lamas are very well known and there are people who want to destroy them.
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I'm not so sure either way. What I do know is Sing Rinpoche always spoke very highly of Venerable Geshe-la. And the following story informs my opinion if Tsem Rinpoche's special appreciation of Geshe-la, because he is clearly devoted to this great Master, his root Guru.
I once met a student of Geshe-la's who moved to Canada. In Canada he spent some time with different Lama's there. Eventually a monk who used to live in Song Rinpoche's labrang travelled many miles to meet him. He specifycally sought him out. When they met the monk explained that Song Rinpoche had spoken so highly of Geshe-la that he himself wanted to at least meet one of Geshe-la's students - now that he had the chance. The monk proceded to tell some extra-ordinary stories of one particular visit Geshe-la had paid to Song Labrang, spending several days alone with Rinpoche . But those stories I don't think should be posted on the web - they are surely only meant for those who already hold this great teacher close in thier hearts.
Hope that's of interest
Robert
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Honestly, I don't see the point of continuing with this thread . ???