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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: LosangKhyentse on February 18, 2012, 12:03:35 PM
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A must read:
Interesting write up on Shugden being enthroned by the Emperor Dhakong of China as attested by HH Trijang Rinpoche during the time of the 11th Dalai Lama Kedrub Gyatso: http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=12303
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Dorje Shugden Enthroned by Chinese Emperor & the Dalai Lama
Here is the direct quote which is quoted directly from Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche’s autobiagraphy on page 123-124:-
Enthroned as guardian of the Yellow Hat Teachings,
By the Chinese emperor, the Dalai Lama, and his regent,
The 11th Dalai Lama Khedrup Gyatso
As for this, during the first period of the time of the eleventh Dalai Lama Kedrup Gyatso and the regent Ratreng Hotogtu Ngawang Yeshe Tsultrim Gyaltsen, the Great Dharma King Nechung and the Lhasa Trokang Gyalchen Shugden were both swift to perform activities and both were very renowned to give accurate prophesies. Resident in Tibet was a high Chinese minister who was powerful and oppressive named Amben Che Trungtang. He had some very important questions to ask for prophecy that he had written in Chinese. He came to the Lhasa Trode Kangsar Protector Palace and, in front of the image of the Dharmapala, burned the questions he had written in Chinese, and demanded that the Dharmapala (Shugden) give clear prophesies in answer to his questions during an invocation the following day. When Dharmapala was invoked the next day, he gave explicit powerful answers to the questions in the correct order. Trungtang, with delighted conviction, informed the emperor Dhakong who awarded a proclamation of praise to Gyalchen of the Trokang Temple with a pandit’s hat, and also gave a pandit’s hat to Nechung at the same time.
Emperor Dhakong
The regent Ratreng, the Kashag, the Shabpa, the head secretary and so forth, ordained and lay officials from the high to low, and the Chinese Amban and his entourage went to Nechung in the morning and after a ceremonial offering of the new pandit’s hat, then went to Lhasa Trode Kangsar. There, in the center of a large stone courtyard, inside a pitched tent, in an elaborate auspicious ceremony, over the door of the protector palace was offered the pandit’s award. The Trokang oracle, the temple monks, and general chief monks, with the regent Ratreng Rinpoche, the Chinese Amban, the Kashag, and Shabpa as chief attendees, Tibetan and Chinese people of all ranks were offered a feast and had a huge festival. With the Chinese emperor Dhakong and the Lord of Buddhas, the Dalai Lama, patron and lama together, they all praised and enthroned Gyalchen Dorje Shugden as principal protector of the Yellow Hat Teachings as praised in this part of the verse.
I have seen with my own eyes a record of this and the previously related story in which the minister Bumtangpa was saved from execution, in the notations of the office of the Kashag of the Tibetan government, in the guest book diary for the respective dates where the essence of what occurred in each instance was described. ~Trijang Rinpoche
From Shugden’ s puja praise:
“Enthroned as guardian of the Yellow Hat Teachings
By the Chinese emperor, the Dalai Lama, and his regent,
You generated the intent to protect the Teachings from now
Until the Buddha, Aspiring One, praise to you!”
(http://www.dorjeshugden.com/images/praise.jpg)
by Big Uncle
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Wow and I have been doing this praise in our daily sadhana oblivious to these connection.
It's so amazing to find and discover all these little traces that shows us the close connection between Shugden, the Dalai Lama and China has been always been around.
Now why would the 11th Dalai Lama, his regent and the Chinese Emperor enthrone Dorje Shugden as guardian of the Yellow Hat Teachings if Dorje Shugden is a harmful demon and will eventually harm the Dalai Lama?
Now we hear the Dalai Lama saying he is wrong, his gurus were wrong, and I guess in His previous life he was wrong too, with all due respect. How can HHDL say he is wrong and expect people to trust what he is saying now is right also and his teachings would now be also correct? And yet we are to believe HH is Chenrezig? So how can Chenrezig be wrong? It just totally don't make any sense.
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Thank you for posting this, this made me recall that one of the incarnations of Dorje Shugden was the Kangxi Emperor. And Kangxi emperor is one of the enlightened rulers of the Chinese empire and he did huge projects just like how other incarnations of Dorje Shugden also did, like Lord Duldzin built Gaden Monastery and had the same level as Lama Tsongkhapa. China, Dorje Shugden will once again bless all your people, the great protector of our time!
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"The 11th Dalai Lama Khedrup Gyatso
As for this, during the first period of the time of the eleventh Dalai Lama Kedrup Gyatso and the regent Ratreng Hotogtu Ngawang Yeshe Tsultrim Gyaltsen, the Great Dharma King Nechung and the Lhasa Trokang Gyalchen Shugden were both swift to perform activities and both were very renowned to give accurate prophesies. Resident in Tibet was a high Chinese minister who was powerful and oppressive named Amben Che Trungtang. He had some very important questions to ask for prophecy that he had written in Chinese. He came to the Lhasa Trode Kangsar Protector Palace and, in front of the image of the Dharmapala, burned the questions he had written in Chinese, and demanded that the Dharmapala (Shugden) give clear prophesies in answer to his questions during an invocation the following day. When Dharmapala was invoked the next day, he gave explicit powerful answers to the questions in the correct order. Trungtang, with delighted conviction, informed the emperor Dhakong who awarded a proclamation of praise to Gyalchen of the Trokang Temple with a pandit’s hat, and also gave a pandit’s hat to Nechung at the same time."
It seem to me that Dorje Shugden has had a long standing relationship with China. And now, due to the ban initiated by the 14th Dalai Lama, Dorje shugden'd practice is once again spreading in China.
I am curious, Dorje Shugden is an enlightened dharma protector, and Nechung is not. Then why would the Emperor Dhakong award pandit hat to both Dorje Shugden and Nechung at the same time?(highlighted in color in the quote) Was it done purely out of respect to Nechung only? Or there is more to it?
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Wow, this is adding one more authoritative evidence by Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche that the 11th Dalai Lama together with the Chinese Emperor had officially enthroned Dharmapala Dorje Shugden as the "guardian of the Yellow Hat Teachings". Thus, Dorje Shugden did receive another endorsement not so long ago by the 11th Dalai Lama as the Protector of the Gelug/Je Tsongkapa's Teaching Lineage!
This was the result of Dorje Shugden having in clear accurate powerful prophecy, through an oracle, answered important questions put to him by a highly powerful Chinese Minister at Lhasa Trode Kangsar Protector Palace. So, with delighted conviction, Trungtang(the Minister in question) reported all this to the Emperor Dhakong, who awarded a proclamation of praise to GYalchen of the Trokang Temple with a pandit's hat. In conjunction with this,a grand ceremony was held later, in the center of the courtyard of Lhasa Trode Kangsar, during which Gyalchen Dorje Shugden was also enthroned as principal Protector of the Yellow Hat Teachings.
Thank you, Big Uncle, for all this wealth of information behind the words of praise to Dorje Shugden in the Sadhana. Thank you Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche, for all the untiring efforts you made to collect together all the unmistakable evidence that point to Dorje Shugden as the irrefutable Protector of Je Tsongkapa/ the Gelug Lineage Teachings.
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It was clearly stated that Trijang Rinpoche witnessed this event with His own eyes. How can such an esteemed and precious Lama be lying? And since Trijang Rinpoche is HHDL Guru, how can HH say that Dorje Shugden is a demon? How can all the years of propitiating Lord Dorje Shugden be wrong? Even the emperor of China have to bow down and offer the yellow Pandit hat to Dorje Shugden. Clearly HHDL rather believe in an unenlightened being than believe in His own Guru's protector, the greatest of all, Lord Dorje Shugden.
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Thanks for the sharing. From this sharing, it is showing another evident that Dorje Shugden has been in the China history for a long time. Besides, since the Emperor himself had enthroned Dorje Shugden as the principle protector of the Yellow Hat Teaching, this had showed the trust of China government on Dorje Shugden that this Dhama protector will bring benefits and peace to the people and country.
May the ban be lifted soonest and more people could be benefited!
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As can be seen clearly from history there is such close connection between Imperial China and Dorje Shugden. I am certain this special bond and affinity between Dorje Shugden and the Chinese will continue to blossom and flourish in the 21st century. The foundation has been laid from the beginning, the causes have been sowed, the cultivation shall ensue to benefit the larger population of China, the bigger picture. It is indisputable that the Great Dharma King Dorje Shugden is the sovereign protector of China.
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Wow, this is a great sharing.
There are more and more evidance showing the Lord Shugden practice exist much earlier time in China.
I also read about the Lord Shugden statue at Gongsa Monastery in China, Qinghai Province.
This recognition shows there are some root of the practice at this country. With this also mean that China has the faith and believe that this great protector can help the country to achieve so much benefits to their government and people.
I believe very soon this great practice will spread wider to the chinese as we can see the government has no objection, from the meet up between China Premier Wen Jiabao & 11th Panchen Lama (which also a Lord Shugden practitioner) it's shows a great bonding and support from the Chinese.
Will shall see the growth of the Great Protector Lord Shugden practices in China.
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This is indeed an insightful information. Dorje Shugden enthroned by the Chinese Emperor as the protector of the Yellow Hat lineage means that the Chinese has been practicing Dorje Shugden for centuries especially by the emperor. Usually when the emperor endorses something, the people will follow as well. This entails that Dorje Shugden is practiced in China and is a part of China’s glorious history. There is evidence now, therefore no one can deny it. With this information, it would be good if the Chinese maintain their heritage and practice which was practiced 350 years ago.
So, there is one less reason for confused people to believe that Dorje Shugden is a spirit and not an enlightened Buddha.
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Thank you for the sharing such important information, and I am really glad to hear that emperor of China also practiced Dorje Shugden.
In the article, Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche said that He has seen, with his own eyes, records of the related story.
However, it would be really good if we can find a copy of the story and publish it. It will be even more solid proof. (Of course I trust what Trijang Rinpoche said, there is no doubt about it because He is very attained, but there are people out there who does not know Trijang Rinpoche's caliber and may think he is not saying the truth)
FYI
Dhakong Emperor is the 8th Qing Emperor. During his time, the Qing dynasty is on its way to downfall. He had put in the effort to improve the situation, such as setting up laws for salt trading, banning of opium, etc. He is hardworking and did not live lavishly, but as an emperor, he was not intelligent. In 1842, Qing Dynasty lost the famous "Opium War".
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I liked what Galen said, when the Chinese emperor endorsed Dorje Shugden, the citizens would follow because it made me reflect on the significance of Premier Wen meeting with the Panchen Lama. That is a form of endorsement in this modern time and age.
From now on would the worship of Dorje Shugden spread like wildfire in China. As a practitioner, I hope so and with 1.3 billion people worshipping Dorje Shugden will be fulfillment of the prophecy of The Protector of our times.
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Thanks you Big Uncle for this exciting piece of information.
I would like to share the thought that came to mind in respond to triesa’s question about “…Why would the Emperor Dhakong award pandit hat to both Dorje Shugden and Nechung at the same time?” I believe it is out of respect because Nechung created the cause for Dorje Shugden to arise during the lifetime of Dultzin Dragpa (by requesting him to arise as the Protector of the doctrine of Lama Tsongkapa). Thus, it would seem appropriate to offer Nechung acknowledgement and respect for “giving” us the perfect Protector of our time.
In relation to the relationship between Dorje Shugden, The Dalai Lama and China, it seems to be a link that has gone one big circle around the globe. From the historical birthplace of Buddhadharma, India, Dharma flourished in 2 main directions:
1) To the north into Tibet, China etc. and
2) To the south into Sri Lanka, Thailand etc.
It is recorded and not challenged that China embraced the teachings of Lord Buddha starting with its monarchy and elite centuries ago.
With revolution of time and events, China lost touch with its tradition and heritage. At this juncture, Buddhadharma in the form of Tibetan Buddhism left Asian soil and flourished in the west – Europe and America through the effort of HH the 14th Dalai Lama. In the past 5 decades, Dharma centers were established and western students were enrolled as the western world prospered and flourished politically, economically and socially. From a set of teachings of the past, Buddhadharma became very much a part of daily modern life.
Abiding by the principal of impermanence, what goes up must come down and vice versa. Consequently, it is time for Asia to rise again with China taking lead. With political and economical dominance, it is also necessary to balance this advancement with equal social development by bringing back deep rooted cultures and historical heritage. Therefore it is time for Dharma to flourish in its birthplace of Asia, specifically, China for its rising influence.
Having historical link will enhance the process of Dharma’s return to China. May the Dharma seeds planted by our ancestors awake from its dormant state so that true and sustainable prosperity can be enjoyed in motherland China.
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Thank you, TK, for this valuable piece of information. Since it was the 11th Dalai Lama and the Emperor who enthroned Dorje Shugden as the principal protector of the Yellow Hat Teachings, this is another proof that the Chinese has been practicing Dorje Shugden for a long time. This is China’s history and culture and they should maintain this heritage. Now with the meet up between China Premier Wen Jiabao & 11th Panchen Lama it will be a great opportunity for Dorje Shugden practice to rekindle and spread like wild fire in China.
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I am curious, Dorje Shugden is an enlightened dharma protector, and Nechung is not. Then why would the Emperor Dhakong award pandit hat to both Dorje Shugden and Nechung at the same time?(highlighted in color in the quote) Was it done purely out of respect to Nechung only? Or there is more to it?
Dear Triesa
I think Emperor Dhakong awarded pandit at to Nechung out of respect. Another reason is though Nechung is not enlightened yet, he is much closer to it than many of us samsaric mortals. Thus, this shows Nechung ain't no schmuck.
Don't you think the TRINITY of Dorje Shugden, Nechung and HHDL sure is interesting? It's like a long sequel with its many twists and mysteries yet to be revealed, keeping us all in suspense. Ah and tell me which show goes on for hundreds of years! :)
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I would like to share the thought that came to mind in respond to triesa’s question about “…Why would the Emperor Dhakong award pandit hat to both Dorje Shugden and Nechung at the same time?” I believe it is out of respect because Nechung created the cause for Dorje Shugden to arise during the lifetime of Dultzin Dragpa (by requesting him to arise as the Protector of the doctrine of Lama Tsongkapa). Thus, it would seem appropriate to offer Nechung acknowledgement and respect for “giving” us the perfect Protector of our time.
How Dorje Shugden manifest was because Nechung has requested Dulzin Drakpa Gyeltsen to promise that he will do anything to protect Tsongkhapa teachings, that was at the beginning. Therefore, I am not surprise at all with the above.
Even till today, what HH has said about Shugden is for a bigger picture. I am SURE.
It looks like HH is putting Shugden on a Guerilla Marketing Campaign. Since HH has banned Shugden, many thoughts/actions and etc has been provoked within the Tibetans and it has spread to NON Tibetans. The coverage Shugden has with this "campaign" is far more outreaching then anything the Tibetan's or Buddhist community has done.
Shugden is FAMOUS because of the ban.
Shugden is being practice more because of the ban.
Shugden temples are being restored because of the ban
Plus on top of this, Shugden is and already has make his way back to the motherland of CHINA because of the ban. Who is making friends with the China officials? - Lamas who practices Shugden ie Panchen Lama, Gangchen Rinpoche, Pabongka Rinpoche and etc.
Out of respect, HH will go one day and he already has said before that he will not be back. There are many other ways HH can can come back as. HH has control over death and birth as proven in all his incarnation. But I wonder whether the CTA official has that "control"?. Maybe they should all read "The Wheel of Sharp Weapon" as a group to realise where they will be going after death.
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This is a very crucial piece of news. Modern scholars who are on the Dalai Lama's side these days often claim that Dorje Shugden is a minor protector and that his popularity only surged after Pabongkha Rinpoche promoted him. This piece of evidence contradicts that very claim in a huge way. It shows that Dorje Shugden does have a huge and important role in Gelug and that he is enlightened because if he was not, the 11th Dalai Lama would not have enthroned him as the principal protector of Tibet at that time. Why is it that these so called scholars such as David Kay and George Dreyfus conveniently miss these details?
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I would sure love to read the book to get to know more about the story behind it.
Since HH Dalai Lama has recognize DS in his previous lifetimes, I still do not understand why he is saying that he was wrong to recognize DS as a protector. It does not make any sense at all.
It is good that DS was previously spread in China, and DS is being spread in China again today. It will definitely be a very good sign if many of the Chinese in China do practice DS now. As China is now one of the more influential countries, with them practicing and spreading DS the ban would definitely be down soon.
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I would sure love to read the book to get to know more about the story behind it.
Since HH Dalai Lama has recognize DS in his previous lifetimes, I still do not understand why he is saying that he was wrong to recognize DS as a protector. It does not make any sense at all.
It is good that DS was previously spread in China, and DS is being spread in China again today. It will definitely be a very good sign if many of the Chinese in China do practice DS now. As China is now one of the more influential countries, with them practicing and spreading DS the ban would definitely be down soon.
It's funny isnt it? That the 5th Dalai Lama initially thought that Dorje Shugden was an evil spirit but failed to exorcise him in every turn, then declared that he is an enlightened Dharma protector. Then. the 11th Dalai Lama enthroned him as the principal Dharma protector of Tibet. Then now the 14th one says he's bad? Why are the Dalai Lamas so inconsistent? It's funny because one would expect consistency and stability from someone so holy as the Dalai Lama but it seems that he is quite unpredictable as well.
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It is interesting to know that the relationship between Dorje Shugden and the current and previous Dalai Lamas had been controversial.
As attested by Trijang Rinpoche, during the reign of the 11th Dalai Lama, the Chinese emperor enthroned Dorje Shugden and great honour was bestowed. Read more on this interesting article.