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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: Mana on March 18, 2012, 03:04:11 PM
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This is the story of two great lamas, one with the highest recognition in the land and one without any ranks, titles or positions. It is also a story about Guru devotion, humility, bodhicitta, and the power of our Dharma Protector Dorje Shugden, combined with the very samsaric elements of selfishness and betrayal. It is a story known only to very few people and has never been made public before.
In the late 1980s, His Holiness the 98th Ganden Tripa Jampel Shenpen Rinpoche of Gaden Jangtse Monastery was very ill. High lamas and senior geshes were constantly doing pujas for him, praying for his swift recovery and good health, but to no avail. No rituals, medicines or treatment seemed to have any effect. His Holiness continued to be in pain and suffer respiratory problems.
Before he was incapacitated by his illness, His Holiness was often seen circumambulating the whole monastery. Even in his old age, he would make the nearly-daily effort to complete the 45-minute lingkor path that circled both Ganden Jangtse and Shartse – accompanied by two attendants, one of whom was carrying a chair, His Holiness would take a few steps and then sit to catch his breath. In this way and many others, His Holiness inspired countless Sangha and laypeople to continue with their practices, no matter the obstacles.
A soft-spoken man who was noted for his dedication to the Dharma, His Holiness’s illness worried the entire monastic community. This episode took place before the ban on Dorje Shugden so there were no distinctions between practitioners of any sort – the whole of Ganden, as well as Drepung and Sera, were united in their worry for His Holiness’ declining health.....Continue reading this very interesting article:
http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=12562 (http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=12562)
(Picture below: His Holiness the 98th Ganden Tripa Jampel Shenpen Rinpoche )
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when u read this story, it feels like history keeps repeating itself over and again. It all starts with some bits of jealousy which is dramatically put into a perspective of an orchestrated 'prayer' (they even have phurpas too!). And it slowly evolves into someone getting chronically sick and turns into bad shape.
Sorry for all the rants but I just feel this entire Tibetan Buddhist thingy with their rituals is just them petty when motivated by jealousy. two things that got my attention was:
1. Gen Nyima - highly evolved master, totally non-sectarian and superbly compassionate. I wouldn't have thought that attaining enlightenment outside of the curriculum is possible until I read this article. I have heard about him from my monk friends before and according to them, all he needed in his room was a small hand drawn tangkha of Je Rinpoche! And we read here about his powers and all. Isn't he awesome in every single sense?
2. Tashi - when we talk about the bottom of the barrel, it really is the bottom of everything else standing next to an enlightened being of the highest stature. Mind u that is Tsongkhapa on earth and he could just stand there to see his master die without being helped at all. and what more HE KNEW of the solution. It is BROAD DAYLIGHT BUDDHA MURDER!
I just wished people could understand that on the secular level, a living being is more valued than being 'right' and on a SPIRITUAL LEVEL, YOUR GURU MATTERS MOST!
Even more so when he represents the entire LINEAGE.
Tashi, may you rise above your ego and realise this before it is too late..... for yourself
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It is really amazing to know that only Dorje Shugden's puja can help in such an extreme case of black magic, showing the true nature of Dorje Shugden, no only that he is an enlightened being beyond doubt, but also that he is most efficacious for our times.
If Dorje Shugden is powerful enough to counter the ultimate black magic, definitely he will be most powerful in helping normal cases of difficulties experience by many sentient beings.
Too bad for CTA, they choose politics over the lives of elite masters, and they choose politics over the lives of many sentient beings who would otherwise receive tremendous help from Dorje Shugden if not for the ban.
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What type a person this Tashi is to allow his Lama to die just to save his face, I cannot imagine the karma. Such a person puts down the holy sangha by his cruel and evil ways, his selfish motivation, his desire to look good at the expense of his Lama. It is a despicable act.
If only the puja was done, Dorje Shugden would surely have saved His Holiness the 98th Ganden Tripa Jampel Shenpen Rinpoche. Gen Nyingma cannot be wrong.
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This story proves one thing - the efficacy of DS practice /pujas.
Gen Nyima himself is not a DS practitioner. He focused on Yamantaka and finally is one with Yamantaka. As an attained Yamantaka practitioner , he had helped many people. However when students of Gaden Tripa approached him to heal H.H., he recommended DS puja. This advice coming from a highly attained lama with no personal involvement in the DS issue... says a lot .
However, Gaden Tripa's PA, Tashi, valued his own position more than his guru's life.
I'm glad this inside story is published now . I pray this knowledge will be a cause to the early lifting of the Ban.
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Sometimes you would think this could not be happening in a holy spiritual world especially concerning the life and death of the 98th Gaden Tripa, who was equivalent to Je Tsongkhapa on earth.
There are always good apples and bad apples no matter in a secular world or non-secular world...but only we want to think that chances of having bad apples would be less in a spiritual world. :o
I have heard of Gen Nyima before and his miraculous deeds in healing and controlling weather and I repsect him a lot, a pure and sincere practitioner with no frills, no ego....he is simply the best!
This story is also another proof that Dorje Shugden is indeed the uncommon protector now, even a non DS practitioner like Gen Nyima would prescribe DS puja and not any other pujas for reversing the severe sickness of the 98th Gaden Tripa, that really speaks volume of the efficacy of DS practice and its puja.
This reminds me of the recent DS puja required for Lama Zopa when monk from Kopan Monastery approached the administrator of Phelygye Ling Monastery to conduct DS puja to improve Lama Zopa's health but was turned down. Luckily the the Kopan monk made request to another DS monastery in Nepal and the puja was done. Lama Zopa is seen recovering well now after the DS puja was performed. Read more regarding this below.
http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1823.0 (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1823.0)
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Blasphemy!!! How can anyone do that? How can anyone be this evil? We're talking about a person's life, what more he is your Guru!!! And even if he wasn't, it is still another person's life! Gosh I would not want to imagine the karmic consequences this Tashi will face! I am sure he is "off" by now. This is perhaps the biggest betrayal I've ever heard, and how can anyone live with such conscious?
Wherever you are Tashi, your good life will not last that long especially since you have indirectly killed your own Lama! How do you sleep at night knowing you could have saved your Guru's life? How do you walk around during the day with such a heavy karma??? SO SAD for you Tashi!
It also tells us what a sad, narrow, corrupted govt the CTA is and how they encourage this type of attitude to their people. Isn't saving a person's life supersedes the silly ban? Which is more important saving a Lama's life or holding on to wrong views?
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This is not the first time we have heard about people who wants to be political correct and sacrifice others to make himself look good. I am sure there will be a lot more case like this will happen in the future IF THE BAN IS NOT LIFTED!
As such, we all should work very hard to make sure the ban is lifted SOONER than LATER!!
I like the story very much. It is very well told. I have one question though.. (I am not trying to be evil here, but just curious).. I am sure Jampel Shenpen Rinpoche is very highly attained, but why is he can still be harmed? I thought highly attained lamas cannot be harmed?
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This is not the first time we have heard about people who wants to be political correct and sacrifice others to make himself look good. I am sure there will be a lot more case like this will happen in the future IF THE BAN IS NOT LIFTED!
As such, we all should work very hard to make sure the ban is lifted SOONER than LATER!!
I like the story very much. It is very well told. I have one question though.. (I am not trying to be evil here, but just curious).. I am sure Jampel Shenpen Rinpoche is very highly attained, but why is he can still be harmed? I thought highly attained lamas cannot be harmed?
It is true that highly attained lamas cannot be harmed but i think it is also depends on the relationship between the Guru and disciple . If students/disciple doesn't have clean guru samaya , The Guru won't stay to continue turning the wheel of dharma .for such reason , highly attained lamas 'can' be harm........
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I cannot really believe that someone would allow their Guru to die for the sake of political correctness, or his own preferences. Isn't Buddhism about not clinging to one's own ego because more beings can benefit? Then why sacrifice the Guru for the sake of being politically correct? Is that not a direct transgression of both the Bodhisattva vows and the Guru devotion commitments? This is indeed sad to hear.
This story is a very clear example of the negative effects of the ban: more high lamas die unnecessarily when they could have been saved. Also, why was the fact that the Bhutanese lamas used black magic to shorten the life of the Ganden Tripa not revealed either? Why did the assistant conspire with the non gelugs for his lama's own death? If he revealed at least that information, something could have been done.
However, what I do not understand is why do some Gelug lamas do not like Dorje Shugden. It is not only in his case, but also in the case of a few other lamas as well who spoke out against Dorje Shugden. It is really because they want to benefit others by saying that or is it based entirely on their on preference and lack of affinity with Dorje Shugden, thus they assume that Dorje Shugden is bad?
Either way, I dread to even think of the amount of negative karma that the particular assistant has incurred for transgressing the advice of a divination, holding on to his own ego and allowing his Lama to die. May he be able to sleep in peace everyday after the things he did.
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From my point of view, Tashi is a murderer. It is so disheartening that Tashi can be so cruel and cold. He chose to look good and be seen as politically correct at the expense of his Guru? Too bad he valued his pride more than his Guru’s life. I can’t imagine the amount of negative karma he will collect…killing an enlightened being, a living Tsongkhapa on earth which is equivalent to drawing blood from a Buddha!
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If someone who is accomplished in Yamantaka tells me Dorje Shugden is a Buddha I would believe him. Hope the 98th Gaden Tripa's incarnation would come back soon, that is how dharma is destroyed from the inside. Reputation is more important that one's teacher. Tashi betrayed the dharma, the dharma he got from his guru and betrayed the many sentient beings who would have been benefitted by the continued presence of the gaden Tripa. IN this case the karma and obstacles for the Gaden Tripa to live was created by Tashi. OM Mani padme hum.
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Its so sad and hard to believe about all these things was happened, especially in the sangha community, shame on you, Tashi. You chose your ego, reputation and politic over your Lama who can bring benefit to countless people. Even nobody know but you knew about it and karma is follow you.
I heard about Gen Nyima before, i believed he has attained in Yamantake practice and yet he so humble and help people without condition. May lineage lamas have a healthy and long life until the ban lifted.
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This is not the first time we have heard about people who wants to be political correct and sacrifice others to make himself look good. I am sure there will be a lot more case like this will happen in the future IF THE BAN IS NOT LIFTED!
Well said Nagaseeker. Tashi, in this case may seem like THE murderer, but it is the broken samaya of the students involved which created the collective karma for them to not receive more teachings from their guru. That was what 'killed' Gaden Tripa. They were all the 'murderers'.
As such, we all should work very hard to make sure the ban is lifted SOONER than LATER!!
I like the story very much. It is very well told. I have one question though.. (I am not trying to be evil here, but just curious).. I am sure Jampel Shenpen Rinpoche is very highly attained, but why is he can still be harmed? I thought highly attained lamas cannot be harmed?
It is true that highly attained lamas cannot be harmed but i think it is also depends on the relationship between the Guru and disciple . If students/disciple doesn't have clean guru samaya , The Guru won't stay to continue turning the wheel of dharma .for such reason , highly attained lamas 'can' be harm........
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Wait a minute, how can black magic harm the world most attained Lama such as Gaden Tripa? How can black magic penetrate robes and vows? In any logic of spiritualism this is not possible and definitely is bizzare. Could it be the huge obstacle that the Gelukpas were to face and Gaden Tripa took upon himself to avert it that is related to the coming of the Dorje Shugden ban? Having said that if Tashi had followed Gen Nyima's divination to perform DS pujas, and the Gaden Tripa recovers, would not this be the most stablising effect it would have had on Dorje Shugden and perhaps prevented the on set of the ban.
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Wait a minute, how can black magic harm the world most attained Lama such as Gaden Tripa? How can black magic penetrate robes and vows? In any logic of spiritualism this is not possible and definitely is bizzare. Could it be the huge obstacle that the Gelukpas were to face and Gaden Tripa took upon himself to avert it that is related to the coming of the Dorje Shugden ban? Having said that if Tashi had followed Gen Nyima's divination to perform DS pujas, and the Gaden Tripa recovers, would not this be the most stablising effect it would have had on Dorje Shugden and perhaps prevented the on set of the ban.
No, I don't think this story is so much about Gaden Tripa needing pujas as it is about what the students need to do for their Lama, which of course is the Dorje Shugden puja. It is about creating the right merit and the most powerful connection they can at this time.
If the puja was performed it wouldn't have benefited just Gaden Tripa but the students also, first by them maintaining their samaya with a practice. Also, by making offerings to collect the merit they need to maintain their connection to their teacher. I hope that wasn't too confusing? A puja works on so many levels that it isn't just about benefit in one direction, one-dimensionally.
Perhaps the puja itself could have been for this assistant to overcome his own reputation and want for staying in favour with the authorities; to learn a lesson of humility for the sake of his teacher and all other students. It could be that just by this alone, he could have purified a lot of karma if he made the right decision and created a lot of merit for something else to arise, which would help his Lama and Dharma community. There are so many possibilities which we could probably not fathom or perceive on our level - which I guess is why it's all the more important to just follow the instructions of these divinations and have faith in their benefit... because not following would be so much more damaging.
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It's very sad to hear that Tashi didn't save his Guru because he wanted to be politically correct. I'm sure this is just one of many examples of how the ban on Dorje Shugden's practice created problems like this. Many people are confused and make bad decisions because of the ban.
Dorje Shugden's practice is so powerful that it was the only puja that could save His Holiness. We must all work hard to educate the world about Dorje Shugden so that cases like this do not happen.
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Gen Nyima is highly attained and his divination results should be accurate. Why had Tashi not followed the divination instructions? Even if Tashi did not practise Dorje Shugden or he disliked Dorje Shugden, Tashi should put aside his personal issues and focused on serving his lama. Tashi was so ignorant and selfish to not save his guru’s life even though he knew exactly how! We are not talking about any guru but the 98th Ganden Tripa’s life!
Tashi was very fortunate to be able to serve the 98th Ganden Tripa. However Tashi had lost that golden opportunity of a lifetime to continue serve his guru! He had caused the death of a high lama who could have benefitted many others before his death. Such heavy negative karma Tashi had created for himself! Om Mani Padme Hum!
Because of the ban on Dorje Shugden, we have lost the 98th Ganden Tripa! How very unfortunate! The ban on Dorje Shugden must be lifted quickly before more casualties arise!
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It's a classic example when a student doesn't have a strong guru samaya which leads to the death of his guru, in this case the death of the 98th Ganden Tripa. Such a heavy negative karma which Tashi had created for himself. Why is he being so selfish? He chose his personal view over his lama life based on what he felt what's is right or wrong. How can someone treated his own guru this way? Sad very sad...
As for Gen Nyima, he show us one does not have to have high ranking in a monestery in order to achieve attainment. But with pure practice, right motivations, focus and hard work we'll for sure able to be attained. Such an inspiring individual in the world of Buddhism.
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I like how the story was told in the article. It started off with the illness of His Holiness the 98th Ganden Tripa, and along with it, his title, fame, popularity and recognition of being a great lama, and representation of the incomparable Lama Tsongkhapa on Earth. Then it proceeds to talking about Gen Nyima, a humble, holy and highly attained monk, who wanted to practice and gain attainments in solidarity. And although his only wish was that, when people approached him for help and advise, he would do all he can to help. Such compassion.
So then you see how 2 compassionate lamas are brought and tied in together. One manifesting illness to teach others, the other teaching others through humility. Amazing. And how DS is introduced, as being the only one that can save H.H. Shows how powerful Dorje Shugden is, as Gen Nyima has not practised DS all his life, nor is he interested in doing any other pujas but perfecting Yamantaka's practises, but through divination results, recommended 3 days of DS Puja to save the life of H.H. There is nothing that Gen Nyima can gain in "promoting" DS this way - so this only proves how efficacious DS is in today's society.
Now with Tashi, the teaching from this story goes to show that even as a sangha member, he cannot really let go of confining with society's ideals. For him, choosing face was more important than his guru. No doubt he will reap the terrifying consequences of his actions, but it shows that if it is this hard for even a sangha member, who has taken on vows, to practice renouncing the 8 wordly concerns, then it is much more difficult for one still in samsara, to practise the same. That being said, it doesn't mean it is impossible. It is sad that Tashi did what he did.. literally, his guru died in his hands.
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Thanks for sharing.
It's seems doesn't make sense because how come the Tsongkhapa on earth, the Lord of Gelug can be harm by some black magic. How come some demon can harm a Buddha? But bear in mind, the lama life is within the students hand.
Tashi, a very clear example of a student that allowed the demon to take his lama life away. The reason for a lama to remain on earth is to spread the Dharma, but if we the students doesn't create the cause or have/create the merit for our lama to fulfill his "duty" in a common body, they will decided to leave us earlier.
Gen Nyima a wonderful shangha, who show his realization on Dharma through his body, speech and mind. Some of the monk study because of the title, so they can benefit a lot others by their name, some will remain quiet just like Gen Nyima. Both type of monk are using different methods to spread the Dharma.
I can't imagine how much negative Karma that Tashi collected !! Firstly, He didn't served "Tsongkhapa" well, when "Yamantaka" is giving advises to heal "Tsongkhapa" illness by performing a Dorje Shugden puja, he refused and keep quiet. Basically he rejected all animation of Manjushri. It's ok if he doesn't believe in Dorje Shugden, buy why called yourself a Gelug monk while you kill Tsongkhapa indirectly by refused to accept a come back to life method prescribed Yamantaka, yet he still dare to wear the robes that created by Tsongkhapa.
In many text of Yamantaka had mentioned, Yamantaka practice is very beneficial to deal with black magic or evil spirit. If Gen Nyima, who is as one as Yamantaka mentioned DS togyal is the only way to save HH Gaden Tripa's life, why still have doubts ? Why would Yamantaka kill or harm Tsongkhapa ?
The ban is really created so much troubles in the monastery. A monk can do something that against their vows, or bring Tsongkhapa lineage down and it's fine. A monk that used his life to benefit all sentient beings was killed by his own student and it's fine too. So what Dharma are we learning ? What mantra are we chanting ? What Buddha are we praying? CTA, you better stop all your doing before all the bad karma come back to you.
HH Dalai Lama is Chenrezig, HH have the wisdom to do something which doesn't seem logic for now, but eventually it will beneficial later. CTA, please don't think all of you are Chenrezig too, you will not want to know what will happen to you when Karma is coming back to you.
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Oh my Goodness! How can this be? How can someone choose their ego and pride over their Guru? Not to mention the Gaden Tripa! Who does Tashi thinks he is and who gave him the rights to decide the course of His Guru's life! Clearly the karma of Tashi's schism and broken samaya has made him go further away and causing more harm than good.
Why believe in Gen Nyima as Yamantaka, ask for divination then go the opposite of the divination results?
WHY ask for a divination if you are not going to follow thru? For the fun of it? I am very sad and unhappy to read this post. May all who go against Lord Dorje Shugden now, realize the TRUTH and ask for forgiveness from Him when the ban is lifted!
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Thank you for sharing the article with us and have the info available online.
I was pretty amazed that the Dorje Shugden puja can be that powerful.
How can Tashi just allow is guru to die. He saves his face but he broke his vow. If he tells his guru then if his guru says that he will not do it then is a different case but he didn’t even inform. That is really bad.
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Wait a minute, how can black magic harm the world most attained Lama such as Gaden Tripa? How can black magic penetrate robes and vows? In any logic of spiritualism this is not possible and definitely is bizzare. Could it be the huge obstacle that the Gelukpas were to face and Gaden Tripa took upon himself to avert it that is related to the coming of the Dorje Shugden ban? Having said that if Tashi had followed Gen Nyima's divination to perform DS pujas, and the Gaden Tripa recovers, would not this be the most stablising effect it would have had on Dorje Shugden and perhaps prevented the on set of the ban.
Although holding one's vows can protect one from black magic, in the case of lamas with a lot of errant students, sometimes the lama would manifest illness or an unfortunate incident in where the Lama would pass away into clear light. In this case it is especially unfortunate that the disciple of the Ganden Tripa would allow his Guru to pass away in such a way just because he does not like Dorje Shugden. How could personal preference be more important than the Guru? Since someone's dislike against Dorje Shugden is placed above the Guru, the Guru has no choice but to manifest clear light.