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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: DharmaDefender on May 13, 2012, 08:51:33 AM
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I just saw this on a friends newsfeed.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/05/dalai-lama-warned-of-chinese-plot-to-kill-him/1 (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/05/dalai-lama-warned-of-chinese-plot-to-kill-him/1)
The Dalai Lama says reports indicate that Chinese agents have trained Tibetan women for a mission to murder him, the Telegraph reports.
"We received some sort of information from Tibet," the 76-year-old Nobel Peace Prize winner told the paper. "Some Chinese agents training some Tibetans, especially women, you see, using poison – the hair poisoned, and the scarf poisoned – they were supposed to seek blessing from me, and my hand touch."
Following the advice of Indian security officials, the Tibetan Buddhist leader told the paper he lives within a high security cordon in his temple palace grounds in Dharamsala, in the Himalayan foothills.
Relations between China and the Tibetan government-in-exile in India are poor and mutual suspicion high following more than 30 self-immolations in the last year by Tibetans in protest at Chinese moves to marginalize their language and culture, the Telegraph reports.
The Dalai Lama also told the paper Chinese interference may mean he is the last Dalai Lama and that Tibetans could decided to abandon the institution.
The leader made the revelations in an upcoming interview with the paper that will be published Sunday.
1) How can His Holiness be poisoned by touch, but the Tibetan women who have the poison on their scarf or in their hair not be poisoned too?
2) How quickly do y'all want to bet that the trolls will blame this on us should anything happen to His Holiness?
3) I think its pretty interesting that His Holiness is again reiterating that he will probably be the last Dalai Lama. He has been making this more clear, and repeatedly pointing this out as time goes on. If thats the case, then the ban will end when His Holiness sadly has to take his next rebirth because there wont be anyone to carry on this part of the institution
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nah ~DL is 76-year-old,c'mon......
if the Chinese agents wants to kill DL , they would do it long time ago ~ why now ?
DL is buddha himself, i'm sure nobody can harm or poison him unless he let them to~
i think he just want to make it clear that he will be the last Dalai Lama,,,, :-X
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This is my opinion to DharmaDefender's questions:
1) How can His Holiness be poisoned by touch, but the Tibetan women who have the poison on their scarf or in their hair not be poisoned too?
I have heard there are many attempts of Chinese to assassinate the Dalai Lama even before the official ban was announced. The Dalai Lama has no karma to be harmed but it is the karma of the people if he gets hurt.
2) How quickly do y'all want to bet that the trolls will blame this on us should anything happen to His Holiness?
I do not think this will happen should Dalai Lama gets harmed. It will not bring any good for the Tibetans and the government in exile if this was to happen during this time. I do not think CTA will be as foolish to go to this extend now. They have everything to loose if they wish to garner support from their own people to fight for their causes. Is it not unity give strength?
3) I think its pretty interesting that His Holiness is again reiterating that he will probably be the last Dalai Lama. He has been making this more clear, and repeatedly pointing this out as time goes on. If thats the case, then the ban will end when His Holiness sadly has to take his next rebirth because there wont be anyone to carry on this part of the institution.
This is left to be seen in the next chapter for we are unable to read the enlightened minds. This is the bigger picture to come.
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About as ridiculous as saying that a spirit, Dorje Shugden, can manage to threaten the Dalai Lama's life. If a big nasty spirit can't manage it, what makes them think a couple of Chinese women can? And if they do, please, do share here how they manage it - it would be fascinating to know how on earth an emanation of Avalokiteshvara is affected by such mundane methods.
And such is the basis of this entire ban in the first place - the Dalai Lama instituted this ban because apparently Dorje Shugden will harm his life, practitioners who pray to Shugden will cause the Dalai Lama to die sooner, and prayer to DS will also, apparently harm the cause of Tibet. Such a claim goes completely against the most basic teachings of Dharma, inferring that a spirit has more power over the life of an attained being (like the Dalai Lama) than he has over himself. This is completely illogical.
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Well... if one were to truly believe who HHDL is, this is just downright preposterous and an impossibility. Perhaps in this day and age the mystical/magical is beyond us... and if that is the case, perhaps we really should contemplate seriously what we actually believe in or are we merely being subjective.
To some, a super human being incapable of conventional means of death may be far fetched but if so, perhaps enlightenment is too? And if so, why in Buddha's name are we existing for?
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I think at this point HHDL has made it very clear that he's had it with the tibetans and he does not wish to lead them anymore, simply because they have not shown much results over the years despite decades of leading them and encouraging them to be a proper government. Everyone still wants to wait for HHDL to take action or open his mouth before they actually do anything. Nobody takes initiative.
Perhaps HHDL will appear in other forms or guises, or will take on other roles, but definitely not as the Dalai Lama anymore. This time around, he has made it extremely clear that he does not wish to live long, because I dont think China would really bother to assassinate HHDL as they could very easily crush Dharamsala or persuade India to oust HHDL if they want to.
It makes no sense for HHDL to say this now, unless he realized that him assisting the Tibetans for so many centuries has done nothing but cripple their ability to conduct themselves as a country, or that he's been receiving too many threats and mindgames from different people of his government. CTA has been allowing HHDL to do so many things he does not need to do and they just keep quiet.
What is interesting is, HHDL has also confessed that he is fierce towards his own close disciples who are serving him directly. This is the side of HHDL that most people dont expect to see or to know as people live in dualities and they have their own concept of how things are supposed to be and HHDL has not revealed things like that now till now. An indication that he wishes to break free of his role soon?
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actually there is such a possibility if the Lama allows himself to be killed for a good cause. As twisted as it seems to be, there are cases whereby high lamas allow themselves to be killed for the fulfillment of greater activities. Our lord and Protector Dorje Shugden is one good examples of such a Lama who was murdered and caused great uproar in his activites when he arose benefit more sentient beings especially people during our time.
Reading this article, I am wondering why would a Lama of his stature who is well equipped with body guards and skilled attendants be making such a big fuss? The power of compassion which he has already have conquered many hearts! I think the worst assasin in the land when met with a living Chenresig would certainly drop his gun!
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About as ridiculous as saying that a spirit, Dorje Shugden, can manage to threaten the Dalai Lama's life. If a big nasty spirit can't manage it, what makes them think a couple of Chinese women can? And if they do, please, do share here how they manage it - it would be fascinating to know how on earth an emanation of Avalokiteshvara is affected by such mundane methods.
And such is the basis of this entire ban in the first place - the Dalai Lama instituted this ban because apparently Dorje Shugden will harm his life, practitioners who pray to Shugden will cause the Dalai Lama to die sooner, and prayer to DS will also, apparently harm the cause of Tibet. Such a claim goes completely against the most basic teachings of Dharma, inferring that a spirit has more power over the life of an attained being (like the Dalai Lama) than he has over himself. This is completely illogical.
Yep if 'nasty spirit' still can"t harm him, how can a couple of Chinese women harm HHDL???
As rightly said by many and especially Ensapa, I do believe that HHDL is planning to end the Dalai Lama institution, so there will be no more new incarnation of recognised DL, still I believed, as a Buddha and especially Chenresig - the great compassionate DL definitely will take rebirth back to save more sentient beings though not as DL.
With the ending of DL institution, there is no more reason to ban DS because the claim by HHDL is that this practice only will harm his life, not other Gurus. So it is a perfect plan for the lifting of the ban...
Though this might sound silly but if the plot to kill HHDL is real, I cannot imagine if HHDL, motivated by great compassion and for the benefits of greater Tibet, decided to let them have their way... :( and imagine the karma created by these people... so much hatred, so much anger... Om Mani Peme Hum
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It makes no sense for HHDL to say this now, unless he realized that him assisting the Tibetans for so many centuries has done nothing but cripple their ability to conduct themselves as a country, or that he's been receiving too many threats and mindgames from different people of his government. CTA has been allowing HHDL to do so many things he does not need to do and they just keep quiet.
What is interesting is, HHDL has also confessed that he is fierce towards his own close disciples who are serving him directly. This is the side of HHDL that most people dont expect to see or to know as people live in dualities and they have their own concept of how things are supposed to be and HHDL has not revealed things like that now till now. An indication that he wishes to break free of his role soon?
I think so too Ensapa... that Tibetans are still relying on HHDL to call the shots and solve all their problems... Look honestly what has Lobsang Sangye been up to since he started taking over the politics? Is anyone listening to him and has any interesting action/results we can see from him taking over as a democratic leader? Seems like He and the Tibetans are still waiting with their mouths opens for HHDL to feed them with the right clues, unfortunately.
Yes I agree HHDL is being more and more obvious about his life ending soon and that there will no longer be another Dalai Lama. It is time for them the "Tibetans" to take some responsibility and take charge. So CTA better wake up a smell the coffee before it is too late! They better stop all their precious time about a Banning and separating their own people within their tiny community because soon there will be no one left. So what will become of their future in exile land once their spokesperson for Freedom is gone and why do they ask for Freedom when they give none to their own people/sangha/dharma brothers and sisters? How will this create the cause for them to gain something they want so badly yet they refused to give to their very own people? Strange how they think - and they claim they are Buddhist? They must think they are special group of Buddhist from another planet. ILLOGICAL.
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Oh dear. I don't suppose that this is the first attempt the Chinese government has tried to assassinate HHDL. All those in positions of power (of any sort) will be subjects to assassination... the greatest heroes and heroines have died being assassinated (e.g. Martin Luther King Jr). Even HHDL previous incarnation barely escaped an assassination attempt allegedly orchestrated by his own regent.
1) I wouldn't be surprised if the women with poison on their scarf or hair were on a kamikaze mission. If it's death by touch, how can they possibly survive!
2) If anything should happen to HHDL, the trolls can blame all they want, but how long will their blame game go on for.
3) It's true what you said @DharmaDefender, in another interview HHDL said that 'If, at the time I pass away, or even before, the majority of the people feel the Dalai Lama institution is no longer relevant, the institution will automatically cease. I am not worried about that.'
Unless someone like the Panchen Lama decides to turn tables and enforce the DS ban, the ban will probably be lifted after HHDL takes on his next rebirth. When that happens it will be such an awkward moment; such a loss, and yet a gain to the Buddhist world. *shudder
@Beggar I'd love to see what other mundane methods have been tried. Apparently, an Al-Qaeda linked group attempted their tricks on HHDL too in 2007 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,264440,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,264440,00.html) - Since then, HHDL has been given a 3-tiered security ring.
Can someone shout this out any louder? "HE'S A BUDDHAAAAAAAAA!"
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In one of HHDL books, I remember him saying that the reason why the Chinese has not murdered him is because he does not have the karma to be killed. I think, rest assured that the law of cause and effect never fails, and HHDL cannot be killed without him creating the cause to be killed.
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I do not believe one single instant that China is trying to assassinate the Dalai Lama.
What advantage would that have? Only one - and it has nothing to do with Tibet.
Dis-advantages for China
- China would lose credibility on the international scene for (a) commiting political murder, (b) doing this outside of their frontiers, (c) trying to deny it
- Loosing face, as to assassinate HHDL would be a display of fear from mighty China against an old monk (no offense meant to HHDL)
- Potential troubles in the Chinese province of Tibet
- International out-cry, campaigns against China made products, etc...
- Potential social un-rest arising nation-wide from the troubles in the Chinese province of Tibet (see Middle-East 2011)
- Economical slowdown as a result
Advantages for China
- China would be more powerful in any discussion with India, since India, for decades now, has found in HHDL its best political asset when dealing with China, for the simple reason that HHDL could at any time create a civil war in the Chinese province of Tibet with devastating consequences.
And I have not even touched on the spiritual aspects and karmic consequences of trying to assassinate a Buddha...
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If His Holiness is said to be who he is, definitely he can foresee people who are trying to kill him but why would he speak out about it? I think he himself can handle the situation, after all he is a Buddha. I think it is his way to give hints that the Shugden practice is growing in China.
Yes a lot have been said about if the Tibetan woman is possible to kill His Holiness with her scarf and hair? Then wouldn't Dorje Shugden kill him ages ago? I don't think we even have to wait until this very life time reincarnation. It could happen to the 5th Dalai Lama... Since Dorje Shugden is said to be an powerful evil spirit that can kill Dalai Lama???
Like I mention in another post, it is possible that His Holiness is giving hint about him entering clear light and there will not be a reincarnation of Dalai Lama. Slowly the ban will fade, but of course we are not sure yet; it'll all leave to the wisdom of His Holiness. Fingers crossed.
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I don't think Dalai Lama can be harmed by others, especially when you are talking about poisons in the hand or scarf. The people surrounding Dalai Lama (or even before you get to Dalai Lama, a lot of people would have been hit by the poison). So my only thought of this would be an indication that this reincarnation of Dalai Lama is going to be the last and Panchen Lama will take over as the "spiritual leader". and by then, the ban on Dorje Shugden will be lifted and widely practiced all over the world??
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It's just a matter of a few more years until Dalai Lama enters heavenly fields. He is 76. Whatever he tried to galvanize against China with support of various govts lead nowhere. No country in the world believes Tibet is not a part of China. China is not afraid of the aging Dalai Lama at all.
It's only in the last 15 years the security around Dalai Lama has been tighter. Prior to this it was very lax. You can bring whatever you want into the private audience to see him my friends who met him said. You can make an appt today and have private audience with Dalai Lama within a week provided he was not in retreat.
If China wanted to kill Dalai Lama they would have done so years ago and with so many methods. Assassination by many governments are carried out all the time unfortunately. It was done in Tibet within the Dalai Lama's govt also.
It would benefit China more if they don't assassinate Dalai Lama and let him live his natural life out. Then no one can accuse China of it. Even if China did do it, proving it and making it stick would be not easy as the whole world is more interested in financial gains by aligning themselves with China than one old monk who is the defacto head of the non-existent Tibetan independent state. If China did assassinate Dalai Lama it would be big news for a month or so, then die down, and disappear. Everyone would still be scrambling to get on the good side of China. There will be no international tribuneral to try China for sure. No one would gain anything. More gains to be on China's side then Dalai Lama. Good or bad is not the point, but it's just the way it is.
Oh boy oh boy oh boy, unfortunately for all the drama CTA likes to produce to get attention on a dead cause (Tibetan independence or autonomy) they will say and do anything now. Please give it a rest CTA. Have your butter tea, tsampa and go for some circumambulations. And oh, one more thing, lift the undemocratic ban on Shugden's practice please.
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We can speculate all we want and everything is a possibility. If the Great 14th wants to he can achieve anything for the sake of all sentient beings. He can even get another buddha in disguise to murder him. Then no karma will be generated by the assassin. I do think the message is:
1) He will be the last DL.
2) China is the "bad guy". Bad guys do what I say you should not. Good guys do not practice DS. Bad guys do. So China practice DS.
So brace for more drama. The rise of DS!
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This is rather ridiculous to know we can kill someone by putting poison on hair and scarf. Furthermore, the one that they tried to kill is HH Dalai Lama, an emanation of Chenrezig, a Buddha! Buddhas do not have the Karma to be killed unless they allow it for a bigger picture.
I found a contradictory fact too. HHDL said he will at least live until the age of 90 in a recent video in April 2012. http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1912.msg26519#msg26519 (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1912.msg26519#msg26519)
So, which is real?
I think HHDL is trying to emphasis that he will be last Dalai Lama and warn his students that they better work hard and do their practice before it is too late. This will be a skillful means that is used by DDHL to train his students.
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Yes, it is rather odd for HHDL to say he would live to 90 the month before and now say that there are plans to kill him by China, and by khatas, poison and women, no less. Perhaps there is something brewing in the CTA that CTA does not want us to know or see and it would somewhat be a shameful thing that is causing HHDL to be wrathful and frustrated at them, perhaps it is something they are not doing...
China is after all a dragon. Dragons are powerful and quick to react but they are not very smart as they can be easily manipulated by their enemies to do certain things, like what HHDL is doing to promote Dorje Shugden to the people in China and HHDL is using their blindness to the avantage of the Dharma. Perhaps, China can really benefit from Dorje Shugden and this is HHDL's way of bringing the practice to them.
If China wanted to assassinate HHDL, they would have many, many chances over the years. Why only choose this time? isnt it rather odd to wait for over 50 years to try and assassinate HHDL? Also, China does not get much from the assassination of HHDL and it is definitely something that they are not keen to do since HHDL is a public figure and it will only result in more negative publicity.
CTA really has no hope of taking over Tibet, mainly because they already fail to take care of Dharamsala and improve its conditions...how can they do so for Tibet? I dont see the connection, and neither will China respect them as a government because they are not a government. Until they do something to prove that they are like lifting the ban to prove that there is separation of church and state, China will not listen.
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If we put this:
The Dalai Lama says reports indicate that Chinese agents have trained Tibetan women for a mission to murder him, the Telegraph reports.
and this:
How can His Holiness be poisoned by touch, but the Tibetan women who have the poison on their scarf or in their hair not be poisoned too?
together.. me thinks it is a "secret" message to say that HHDL's life will be shortened due to the (three?) poisons of the Tibetan people (how come the Tibetan women would become traitors and agree to be trained by the Chinese to poison HHDL?), and the Chinese of course.. definitely the collective negative karma of at least Chinese and Tibetans may cause the life of HHDL to be shorter than otherwise. If HHDL keeps saying that he will be the last Dalai Lama, I'm guessing it means that there is not point to come back as a Dalai Lama and continue his works if no one is going to change themselves to improve the current situation of Tibet and China? Probably he is planning to come back in a different form or in some other country where he can work more effectively.
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Rinpoches laying their hands on the heads of their disciples & faithfuls is an expression of their compassion to them. It's a sign of approval. It's also a form of encouragement to them. It's also one of the many means used by Rinpoches to grant blessings to their disciples & faithfuls. It's a sacred act.
Never have I in my whole life heard of this being used as a means of assassination.
It's a very malicious of the individual to conceive this idea. Such an idea may be adopted by others in future should another Rinpoche become the target of assassination.
. Irregardless of whether this is true & the outcome of this attempt on the Dalai Lama, one thing for sure is, this individual has left a negative imprint on the minds of all sentient beings who heard this news, including myself, through the introduction of such a sadistic idea to our minds. Everyone who is reading this post should take act to purify his/her mind of this, so that this imprint will not ripen in the future.
Out of security concern, it's possible that the Dalai Lama will not be laying his hands on faithfuls for the time being, it will be sad for them.
When security becomes a concern, disciples & faithfuls wishing for the safety & longeivity of their Rinpoches, and those directly involved in their security, should regard their Rinpoches as ordinary human beings, so that they will be careful in all matters & not take things for granted. This is not an act of disrespect, because only by thinking in this way will a proper job be done.
I believe this rumour has also delayed the decision to lift the ban on Dorje Shugden.
If this tragedy really take place, pro-Dorje Shugden community will definitely become one of the prime suspects.
As for the Dalai Lama's statements in recent times regarding his longevity & succession, for onlookers like us, it's better to see this as an expression of his undying compassion for all sentient beings, this cultivates a virtuous thought in our minds rather than seeing it as a means to gain sympathy for political motives, which would be a view possibly held by the Dalai Lama's political opponents, we do not need to cultivate such non-virtuous thought in our mind like them, as we are not directly involved in the political struggle.
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Rinpoches laying their hands on the heads of their disciples & faithfuls is an expression of their compassion to them. It's a sign of approval. It's also a form of encouragement to them. It's also one of the many means used by Rinpoches to grant blessings to their disciples & faithfuls. It's a sacred act.
Never have I in my whole life heard of this being used as a means of assassination.
It's a very malicious of the individual to conceive this idea. Such an idea may be adopted by others in future should another Rinpoche become the target of assassination.
. Irregardless of whether this is true & the outcome of this attempt on the Dalai Lama, one thing for sure is, this individual has left a negative imprint on the minds of all sentient beings who heard this news, including myself, through the introduction of such a sadistic idea to our minds. Everyone who is reading this post should take act to purify his/her mind of this, so that this imprint will not ripen in the future.
Out of security concern, it's possible that the Dalai Lama will not be laying his hands on faithfuls for the time being, it will be sad for them.
When security becomes a concern, disciples & faithfuls wishing for the safety & longeivity of their Rinpoches, and those directly involved in their security, should regard their Rinpoches as ordinary human beings, so that they will be careful in all matters & not take things for granted. This is not an act of disrespect, because only by thinking in this way will a proper job be done.
I believe this rumour has also delayed the decision to lift the ban on Dorje Shugden.
If this tragedy really take place, pro-Dorje Shugden community will definitely become one of the prime suspects.
As for the Dalai Lama's statements in recent times regarding his longevity & succession, for onlookers like us, it's better to see this as an expression of his undying compassion for all sentient beings, this cultivates a virtuous thought in our minds rather than seeing it as a means to gain sympathy for political motives, which would be a view possibly held by the Dalai Lama's political opponents, we do not need to cultivate such non-virtuous thought in our mind like them, as we are not directly involved in the political struggle.
There is also another mystery in this element, which is if the women used poisoned khatas and hair to assassinate HHDL, wouldnt it cause harm to themselves first before it even reaches His Holiness the Dalai Lama? Why choose to assassinate HHDL in that way when there could be snipers, poison in his food, bribing the ladrang staff etc...because logically this rumor does not make sense.
I have a feeling that the same person who spread this rumor was also the same person who championed the ban for whatever reason...he or she has a very malicious nature like what Ratna Shugden had said and the intention of such a rumor is to delay the lifting of the ban and to create fear, chaos and misunderstandings for the people of Tibet regarding the Dalai Lama.
To me, it didint really made any impressions of my mind because it is something that is logically not viable as you will need to hold the khata with your bare hands for a period of time before it can be offered to HHDL and HHDL will have to place it back around your neck anyway so the assassin will die instead. In any case, it does sound like a very malicious rumor to block HHDL from blessing people.
Equally interesting is the HHDL announcing this when he could have kept quiet and pretend nothing happened and continue life as it would. Perhaps, this is another sign that HHDL would like to reduce his activities more, or that the person who started this rumor is threatening HHDL in some sort of way or form that causes HHDL to act in this way? Perhaps in time this person will be revealed..
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You guys might be interested to note that the Italian media has picked up on this article. My Google Alerts picked this off the Internet... anyone read Italian?
http://www.ilgiornale.it/esteri/donne_addestrate_uccidere_dalai_lama/14-05-2012/articolo-id=587950-page=0-comments=1 (http://www.ilgiornale.it/esteri/donne_addestrate_uccidere_dalai_lama/14-05-2012/articolo-id=587950-page=0-comments=1)
The online translator churns out the following:
I am not so naive, in Beijing. But it was not difficult for the Indian authorities, to trace the masterminds of a plot which was officially attributed to the followers of Dorje Shugden monaco: a sect of fundamentalist than four centuries old in the picture of the Dalai Lama, exiled from the late fifties, Dharamsala, northern India, he sees his enemy. The rust among the followers of the fourteenth Dalai Lama and the extremist sect within which the plot was hatched in January discovered is centuries old. But only in 1996 the Nobel Prize Tenzin Gyatso forbade the worship of Shugden monaco, described as a sort of Lucifer, a little 'angel and a little' devil.
So its a pretty shite translation but clear enough for our purposes. Its interesting to note the distinction between the USA Today article that I originally posted and this Telegraph one (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/tibet/9261729/Dalai-Lama-reveals-warning-of-Chinese-plot-to-kill-him.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/tibet/9261729/Dalai-Lama-reveals-warning-of-Chinese-plot-to-kill-him.html)), and this Italian one where His Holiness outright blames Dorje Shugden practitioners.
So the British and Americans hint that it may be the Chinese, and the Italians are happy to hint it may be the Chinese... or Dorje Shugden practitioners. Wonder what led the Italians to include that false accusation as fact... so much for innocent until proven guilty.
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HHDL is making this assassination sound as ridiculous as how practicing DS can harm his life. To me he's reinforcing the fact that he can indeed make ridiculous statements so that people will start to think further for themselves. Being the last Dalai Lama also means that there is no need for the ban to continue after His Holiness passes on because there will be no more Dalai Lamas in future for DS practice to shorten Dalai Lama's life.
What other excuses can there be for banning the practice of DS? If CTA wants to use the reason that DS practitioners are chinese spies, what difference does it make now seeing that Tibetans never had a country. Quotes Lobsang Sangye.
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I do wonder how, on a larger scale of things, that close and overt association between Chinese assassination attempts and Shugden practitioners is not deliberate?
The Dalai Lama's tone about Shugden has changed considerably in recent months, with him saying in Bodhgaya earlier this year that it is really "up to us to decide if we wish to take refuge with him or with Shugden" (not an exact quotation, but of the same essence). Then, suddenly, these kinds of accusations heat up again - implications of Shugden involvement in deathly acts against the Dalai Lama. It sounds like an old medieval feud!
Would the Dalai Lama really not be able to stave off mere political attacks? After all the countless stories we have heard of how Lamas were able to evade the Chinese invaders in the 1950s and 60s, or simply left their bodies before they could be reached and attacked - do we still believe these simplistic claims that the Dalai Lama could be just left wide open to attacks like this?
And surely, if the Chinese were going to get him, wouldn't they have done so already? Dharmasala is not exactly the strongest of forts. And really, what evidence is there?
All seems to me to be pretty strategically planned from the side of the Dalai, to fan the flames again as the embers are dying out. Get 'em excited again, give Dorje Shugden a bit of airtime so we don't forget him on the global scene. ALL publicity is good publicity, after all.....
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HHDL is making this assassination sound as ridiculous as how practicing DS can harm his life. To me he's reinforcing the fact that he can indeed make ridiculous statements so that people will start to think further for themselves. Being the last Dalai Lama also means that there is no need for the ban to continue after His Holiness passes on because there will be no more Dalai Lamas in future for DS practice to shorten Dalai Lama's life.
What other excuses can there be for banning the practice of DS? If CTA wants to use the reason that DS practitioners are chinese spies, what difference does it make now seeing that Tibetans never had a country. Quotes Lobsang Sangye.
I dont know if it was just me who feels that HHDL will often make anti Dorje Shugden statements, only to pair it with a teaching to ask people to examine the teachings before believing them. I have observed HHDL doing this many times in many talks, and especially when he talks about the Dorje Shugden issue. You may have a very valid point there that the HHDL really wants people to think.
Why else would an enlightened master give people ridiculous and misleading statements, unless he wants them to think and really find out for themselves, or make them realize that making ridiculous statements can have results that are not always pleasant. It is funny that the Tibetans does not seem to be aware that the chinese are the world's most populous nation in addition to being one of the worlds superpower.
China has everything they need to wipe Dharamsala off the map anytime they need to, but they dont really have a reason to do that unless the CTA and their not so smart citizens push China's buttons further and at the end make things worse for the people who are currently in Tibet proper. Directly and indirectly this will ultimately result in even more people practicing Dorje Shugden than before.
I must say, CTA is doing a wonderful job of spreading Dorje Shugden to the chinese. I know they are very passionate about getting Tibet back, but to go head on against one of the most powerful nations on earth is pretty much a no brainer that will result in more causalities, needless deaths and a complete waste of energy while generating more negative circumstances for themselves.
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Can the Dalai Lama, who is a Buddha, has the karma to be harm unless he chose to allow harm to befall onto him for a good cause? If the Chinese want to kill the Dalai Lama, why wait till now when he is 76 years old? If the women with poisoned scarf or hair can harm Dalai Lama, it shows that the poison is very strong and effective, wouldn't it also harm the Tibetan women? Why not just ask Dorje Shgden to kill the Dalai Lama since Dorje Shugden is such an evil spirit? ILLOGICAL
The Dalai Lama kept reiterating that he will most likely be the last Dalai Lama. Maybe he prefers to take rebirth and appear in other forms and play other roles but not as the Dalai Lama. Then there is no more excuse to ban Dorje Shugden practice as this practice will harm the Dalai Lama's life and there's no more Dalai Lama to be harmed.
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Can the Dalai Lama, who is a Buddha, has the karma to be harm unless he chose to allow harm to befall onto him for a good cause? If the Chinese want to kill the Dalai Lama, why wait till now when he is 76 years old? If the women with poisoned scarf or hair can harm Dalai Lama, it shows that the poison is very strong and effective, wouldn't it also harm the Tibetan women? Why not just ask Dorje Shgden to kill the Dalai Lama since Dorje Shugden is such an evil spirit? ILLOGICAL
The Dalai Lama kept reiterating that he will most likely be the last Dalai Lama. Maybe he prefers to take rebirth and appear in other forms and play other roles but not as the Dalai Lama. Then there is no more excuse to ban Dorje Shugden practice as this practice will harm the Dalai Lama's life and there's no more Dalai Lama to be harmed.
At this point it is pretty clear that the Dalai Lama started the ban against his will and he is not exactly happy with having to declare the ban. Him talking so much about dying means that people complying to the ban is not the main issue here, but something else. What would Avalokiteshvara want from his followers? I think the answer here is obvious: To actually practice and apply the Dharma.
The ban will be lifted before the Dalai Lama passes on to clear light and perhaps, assume another role where he can reach out to an equal amount of beings, or maybe not even manifest to human beings of this world system anymore due to the amount of negative karma that that his followers commit which they claim as part of his instructions to them when its only them distorting his words.
Perhaps, him talking about his death is a warning of sorts and a wake up call for his disciples to actually not break their samaya to their own teachers, or to him. It is one thing to not practice Dorje Shugden, but it's another to criticize, isolate and demean people who do the practice as this was not part of the Dalai Lama's original instructions when he told his followers to not practice.
What happens if we add in additional lines into our Guru's instructions and end up hurting many people as a result and then claim that it was HHDL's instructions when it cannot be found in any of his teachings where he explicitly said to attack Dorje Shugden practitioners. The CTA did just that and look where they are now. Unfortunately this mentality has spread to the west...
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When the Dalai Lama was 76 years old, he claimed that the Chinese Government had planned to kill him in the same manner that praying to Dorje Shugden would shorten His life.
Last Sunday, the Dalai Lama celebrated his 80th birthday. Another contradiction to the controversy.
I believe the Chinese Government is very efficient or that being a Buddha, the Dalai Lama has no karma to be murdered.
Why then the unrealistic accusations???? I have revived this post for your logical minds. Oh boy oh boy oh boy.