But Jamseng Rinpoche and Serkong Tritul's presence is strong there. They have had a centre there for over 12 years now. When you enter their centre they have a large Dorje Shugden thangka in full view.
Jamseng Rinpoche often have large events there. They have done many open and large actitivities there often advertised.
Also Kundeling Rinpoche visits Singapore often and has students there.
His Holiness Gaden Trisur Rinpoche has visited Singapore on a yearly basis many times and held huge events with nearly a thousand attending the teachings, initiations and commentaries.
Dalai Lama is referring to these various lamas and their students.
Hi Thaimonk, For your kind information, all dorje shugden thankas were removed from year 2008 onwards due to transition from Gelugpa to Kadhampa lineage. We no longer worship Dorje Shugden due to following the path of the past Kadhampa masters, but we do acknowledged that Dorje shugden is recognized by the Great Gelugpa lineage masters such as like Trijang Rinpoche, Pa Bong kha Rinpoche etc.
Dear Lightning,
No offense to you. I have friends who work for Serkong Tritul Rinpoche in Taiwan. These are the same friends who work for building Serkong Monastery in Nepal. They said, Serkong Tritul Rinpoche and Jamseng Rinpoche publicly say they don't practice. But in private they practice.
Serkong Tritul Rinpoche also contact the Dorje Shugden oracle in Taiwan for questions even recently.
Also Serkong Tritul Rinpoche is still sending money and sponsorship to Shar Gaden Monastery.
So openly the thangkas have been removed and publicly they announce they don't practice, but privately Serkong Tritul Rinpoche is very devoted to Shugden. This is for sure due to much pressure.
Same as Kejok Rinpoche who publicly announced he 'gave up' Shugden, but he practices in the privacy of his room in Australia. That is why you never see Kejok Rinpoche, Jamseng Rinpoche or Serkong Tritul Rinpoche ever joining with the Dalai Lama at public events.
Serkong Tritul and Jamseng Rinpoches are good lamas with strong Guru Devotion to their lamas and their lineage. All their practices come from Gelug and Gaden, so their name is Kadampa to disassociate from CTA but their practices are all core Gelug practices. They will not simply abandon the practice of their protector except they recieved alot of pressures from other centres, press and organizations in Taiwan. These lamas have no choice but to go underground for now. You will see later, when the ban is done, they will emerge openly again as practicing.
Geshe Kelsang is also New Kadampa. But just because he is has labelled himself as Kadampa does not mean you cannot practice Shugden or Shugden cannot be included. All Geshe Kelsang's practices are core Gelug practices of which some stem originally from Kadam lineage. Vajra Yogini is from Sakya, Six yogas of Naropa from Kagyu, Thought Transformation teachings (lojong) from Kadampa masters. And etc, etc. Gelug is the combination of all lineages. Lama Tsongakapa is extra special in this way he extracted the most effective teachings from his 40 teachers of all existent sects during his time and combined it into what we call as Gelug.
I do not mean disrespect to you, but Serkong Tritul Rinpoche and Jamseng Rinpoche are both practicing Shugden privately and sincerely up till now. This is from confirmed sources from close people working for them in Taiwan and Nepal.