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Ringo Starr

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Buddhists and Human Rights - Bhimrao Ramji Ambedkar
« on: March 02, 2015, 03:21:17 AM »



An analysis of Buddhist affirmations of human rights might begin in India, the birthplace of Buddhism. There in 1956 another Hindu, B. R. Ambedkar, converted to Buddhism and took some four million other untouchables with him...

http://religionhumanrights.com/Religion/Buddhist/buddhist.fhr.htm

DharmaSpace

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Re: Buddhists and Human Rights - Bhimrao Ramji Ambedkar
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2016, 11:18:27 AM »
Recently I was wondering a lot about the Dorje Shugden, it is clearly a human rights issue. The situation in India especially people are denied and hampered in their rights to work, get services, medical services, there is harassment at school levels up to higher education and so forth.

So why isn't is recognized by the international agencies below as a human rights issue? 

https://www.hrw.org/
http://www.hrc.org/
https://www.amnesty.org/en/

In the US LGBT issues is openly recognized as a human rights issue. Most places in Western society, the harm one gets for being LGBT is purely mental, we are not talking about certain less progressive third world nations. So the Dorje Shugden is very similar to the LGBT issue in the US, LGBT people in he US still faces some kind of discrimination still, you get Americans from all levels commenting about the LGBT issue here and there. SO why isn't the Dorje Shudgen issue recognized as a human rights issue in the land of the Bold and FREE?   


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Re: Buddhists and Human Rights - Bhimrao Ramji Ambedkar
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2016, 09:53:14 PM »
I do agree with DharmaSpace. It started as a Freedom of Religious practice initially and ran into being a human rights issue due to extreme measures taken by CTA base on the Dalai Lama's "advice". Advising on Dorje Shugden being a "spirit" and then for the monks to force the Shugden Lamas to stop their lineage practice of this Protector or to be chased out of their monasteries, the only home that the Shugden Lamas had known all their lives. With the Dalai Lama's near God status within the Tibetan communities, he had created the environment of chaos as his followers rushed to prove themselves to him by competing with each other on who can top the sufferings of Shugden practitioners. All these followers forget so easily the teachings by the Dalai Lama on love, kindness and compassion. I guess he is showing how in disparaging his own Guru, H.H. Trijang Rinpoche, his teachings no longer has the blessings of lineage Masters and thus has no power to transform the minds of his followers. How sad! May the Dalai Lama manifest his compassion for his followers and in his true Buddha nature swiftly lift the ban on Dorje Shugden which has gone beyond to harm the pure lineage of Lama Tsongkapa.

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Re: Buddhists and Human Rights - Bhimrao Ramji Ambedkar
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2016, 07:32:32 AM »
Buddhism accepts all religious beliefs and does not harbor the notion of persecuting because there is no level of authority in Buddhism to implement a religious persecution. No government has the right to tell people how or who to worship and certainly do not have the right to discriminate against them or persecute them for the way they choose to express their faith.

Dorje Shugden practice is widespread and there are millions of Dorje Shugden practitioners that rely upon Dorje Shugden as the Protector of Je Tsongkhapa. With this ban, all of them are affected directly or indirectly and if nothing is done, the practitioners continue to suffer. It is time the Dalai Lama and the CTA stop the meaningless attacks on Dorje Shugden practitioners and give everyone religious freedom to worship whoever they choose.

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Re: Buddhists and Human Rights - Bhimrao Ramji Ambedkar
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2016, 02:23:03 PM »
"On the basis of this Buddhist analysis, Abe makes the following recommendations to foster human rights and overcome religious intolerance. First, attachment to doctrine and dogma should be eliminated, for this is the cause of intolerance. Second, wisdom rather than justice should be emphasized, as this is the basis of compassion and love. Third, monotheistic traditions must come to understand the Oneness of ultimate reality in a nondualistic way in order to avoid exclusivistic and intolerant attitudes toward other traditions."

This is the Dhamma (dharma), for the Buddha said: "He who sees relational origination sees the Dhamma and he who sees the Dhamma sees relational origination."19 Therefore, "there is an intimate and vital relationship of the Buddhist norm or Dhamma with that of human rights

Thurman asserts: "The Buddhist 'individual,' as a living, relative, social, conventional being emerges as the center of the Buddha's Teaching since there is no such thing as an unchanging, ultimate, isolated, intrinsically identifiable 'individual'."35 Thus, in Buddhism

the individual human who possess rights is presented as a spiritual as well as physical being of unique accomplishments and valuable opportunities. We have earned our rights through suffering and transcending egotism in the sea of evolution, and no one can deprive us of them, since no one conferred them upon us. Societies cease to be truly human when they cease to acknowledge that each individual's fulfillment is the purpose of the whole. And humans are free also to give away their rights in furtherance of the fulfillment of others. Indeed it is by the supreme generosity of giving even one's life that one evolved into a human out of lower forms. Thus talk of rights quickly passes over into talk of responsibilities, as the self-fulfilled (that is, enlightened as to selflessness) individual automatically wills to share that happiness of release with others by aiding them in their own quest of enlightenment.36


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So, further to the three para extracted from "Buddhists and Human Rights - Bhimrao Ramji Ambedkar', why is the Dalai Lama keeping quiet about the violence and threats and ill-manners of his followers?

As a simple monk, that the Dalai Lama professes to be, why is he not reminding his followers of the intimate and vital relationship of the Buddhist norm or Dhamma with that of human rights?

Robert Thurman in all his brilliance as a professor of Tibetan studies, "talk of rights quickly passes over into talk of responsibilities, as the self-fulfilled (that is, enlightened as to selflessness) individual automatically wills to share that happiness of release with others by aiding them in their own quest of enlightenment"; how is he aiding practitioners in their quest for enlightenment when he is sending them to hell by encouraging schism in his support of the ban on the practice of Dorje Shugden? This is really drawing doubts to his credibility.

http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-two-faces-of-robert-thurman/

For his part, Robert Thurman thought it appropriate to portray for Newsweek magazine a murderous Dorje Shugden cult describing it as “the Taliban of Buddhism.”

Thank you, Ringo Starr for the link. It was very interesting but roused my ire.

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Re: Buddhists and Human Rights - Bhimrao Ramji Ambedkar
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2016, 02:38:37 PM »
“None of the material AI has received contains evidence of abuses which fall within AI’s mandate for action – such as grave violations of fundamental human rights including torture, the death penalty, extra-judicial executions, arbitrary detention or imprisonment, or unfair trials.”

Amnesty International (AI) took the view that this is religious in nature and AI not in position to get involved as religion dispute doesn’t fall into the categories of things would look at. Thus, AI would neither independently confirm nor deny the claims and counterclaims of the Shugden and the Dalai Lama. So, basically, AI took the safe approach by jumping on the loophole to avoid being dragged into this minefield. It has to be remembered that it was 1998 then and it was a time where the Dalai Lama was still highly revered as icon of peace with strong international backing.

AI’s 1998 statement on this can be found at https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/document/?indexNumber=ASA17%2F014%2F1998&language=en

Another example of inaction leading to perpetuation of a wrong and more sufferings. AI’s response is reflective of the approach adopted by other organisation and even world nation. Sad but such is the situation to date.

Agree that it is high time for the ban to be lifted so people can freely practice their faith in Dorje Shudgen.


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Re: Buddhists and Human Rights - Bhimrao Ramji Ambedkar
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2016, 05:01:46 PM »
“None of the material AI has received contains evidence of abuses which fall within AI’s mandate for action – such as grave violations of fundamental human rights including torture, the death penalty, extra-judicial executions, arbitrary detention or imprisonment, or unfair trials.”



Does the Tibetan community have a serious police force and  a proper judiciary? What's in the constitution? I must admit ignorance in this field.

Maybe that's why the followers of the Dalai Lama resorted to "Taliban actions", the very kind of behavior that that Robert Thurman accuse the Shugdenpas of. That's why the hit list and vulgar language and threats directed at Dorje Shugden Lamas and Dorje Shugden practitioners. Fighting a guerrilla warfare here?

http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-two-faces-of-robert-thurman/