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Positive Change

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Both India and China are large countries that gave rise to a diversity of cultures. In addition, as neighbours for 5000 years, a lot of culture has been shared and transferred between the two. As such, the cultures are very similar in a lot of ways. One could write books on this topic, so it's difficult to write a short answer.

Among the similarities include:

1. Significance of the family unit
2. Attitudes toward teachers, education and child upbringing
3. Both are superstitious cultures (for example, superstitions surrounding when one can cut hair, cleaning the house before holidays, etc.)
4. Belief in luck
5. Lunisolar calendar systems (India has several traditional calendars, some of which are lunisolar)
6. Associations of colours with ideas (red being one of the most auspicious, white being the colour of mourning and death in both Indian and Chinese tradition)
7. Hosts and guests and how they traditionally receive each other
8. Music based on pentatonic scales (India and China both each have many other styles, but both make extensive use of pentatonic scales. In particular the popular Indian ragam mohanam is exactly identical to the Chinese pentatonic scale)
9. Philosophical and religious ideas (reincarnation, karma, various deities) especially with Buddhist Chinese -- mind you there are hundreds of millions of Chinese around the world who are worshipping an Indian guy, which shows the extent to which the countries have shared/imposed/propagated/traded ideas with each other
10. Idol worship
11. 5 elements, but 2 of them differ (China: Wood, Water, Earth, Metal, Fire; India: Earth, Water, Fire, Air, Ether)
12. Beliefs in traditional medicine
13. Tea cultivation -- both India and China have been doing it for so long, nobody has the slightest clue who had it first
14. Rice cultivation
15. Food -- you might wonder why I list this as a similarity, but many people in the West see only a small fraction of Indian cuisines and a small fraction of Chinese cuisines. In reality the foods take a more gradual transition from Indian cities to Chinese cities, and foods that came from outside became common to both (naan, for example, which is common to both northern India and western China, uncommon in both southern India and eastern China). Then there are the raw ingredients. Indian and Chinese cuisines have a lot of similarities in the vegetables used, and even spices to some degree. It's the way they're used and mixed, and the cooking methods that are so vastly different that one might not recognise that there are even similarities in what's stocked in the kitchen. South Indians and Chinese regularly shop at each others' grocery stores and markets in southeast Asia.


Among the differences:

1. Language structure and grammar is different, even though Indian and Chinese languages have both imported a little vocabulary from each other
2. Attitudes in a group, the amount of individualism one expresses directly, and when it is appropriate to be expressive in a social context
3. Conflict resolution
4. Attitudes regarding embarrassment and losing/maintaining face
5. Directness vs. indirectness in personal expression
6. Gestures of indication (for example, yes/no/happiness/sadness) differ between the two
7. Methods in traditional medicine
8. Chopsticks vs. hands for eating
9. Soy cultivation, which India has done for several hundred years but it never caught on in Indian cuisine as much as it did in China
10. Cooking methods, combinations and seasonings used in food differ greatly
11.Musical instruments -- except if you consider western China and northern India which have a number of similar instruments
12. Festivals and holidays and their religious/cultural significance
13. Literary and artistic traditions
14. Pop culture divides the countries much more than traditional culture
15. Zodiac systems (Hindu astrology has signs that are more similar to Greek astrology and based on the time within a year; it does not have a 12-year or 60-year cycle like the Chinese system)
This list could go on forever -- one could write books about this subject.

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Re: CHINA and INDIA. Polar opposites or closer than one would think!
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2012, 10:43:37 PM »
Dear Positive Change

Thank you for this informative post.  But how is the differences and similarities in Chinese cultures are relevant to DS issues?


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Re: CHINA and INDIA. Polar opposites or closer than one would think!
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2012, 11:12:27 AM »
Dear Positive Change

Thank you for this informative post.  But how is the differences and similarities in Chinese cultures are relevant to DS issues?

Hi Michaela... this post is actually about the differences and similarities of Chinese AND Indian cultures... This is merely to illustrate that both countries, having a rich tapestries of culture and that have been intertwined for millennia still have commonalities amidst differences.

When there are conflicts, it is always good to understand and acknowledge that there are differences and to accept that fact and not dwell on it but to focus on the similarities in order to best address the issues. If we focus on the differences there will be no way out!

Sometimes we tend to judge (as I am also guilty of at times) based on our own perceptions and hence knowledge to cut away at ignorance is good.

How it relates to Dorje Shugden is simple, if one looks through the similarities, one can see that practice such as Dorje Shugden is easily assimilated into both Chinese and Indian cultures because of its close "links" to Tibetan culture! We do not need to always talk about the obvious and the spiritual... sometimes we also need to talk about the human aspect of a culture and how it adapts to a practice like Dorje Shugden or even Buddhism in general!

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Re: CHINA and INDIA. Polar opposites or closer than one would think!
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2012, 04:25:23 PM »
Hi Positive... I think I spot these useful similarities in India & China's culture...the below are the points that I would say stands out the most in which we can see some kind of positive potential connection in embracing Dorje Shugden's practice ;) which in fact already happening as we speak anyways.


9. Philosophical and religious ideas (reincarnation, karma, various deities) especially with Buddhist Chinese -- mind you there are hundreds of millions of Chinese around the world who are worshipping an Indian guy, which shows the extent to which the countries have shared/imposed/propagated/traded ideas with each other

Because both India and China are steep in Philosophical studies plus there is so much heritage and history related to Dorje Shugden... it is rather easy to adopt Dorje Shugden as a practice because some of their philosophies and much of their beliefs are pretty much aligned with some of Dharma's philosophies such as karma - laws of cause and effect.

10. Idol worship

Well they definitely will appreciate and love big statues, that's for sure :) It would be so wonderful to see many big Dorje Shugden shrines spread all over India and Tibet/China... just like the one in  Gonsa Monastery, Kham.
 
11. 5 elements, but 2 of them differ (China: Wood, Water, Earth, Metal, Fire; India: Earth, Water, Fire, Air, Ether)

In Dharma we also acknowledge these 5 elements especially to realise this during death meditations.

12. Beliefs in traditional medicine

So does Tibetan Buddhism and one of the championing this faculty of traditional medicine in Tibetan Buddhism is our beloved Lama Gangchen Rinpoche...

After Lama Gangchen graduation, he worked as a Lama healer among the Tibetan communities in Nepal, India and Sikkim, during which time he saved the lives of many people and was named private physician to the Royal Family. In 1981, Lama Gangchen visited Europe for the first time and has since become a resident and Italian citizen. In the same year, he also established his first European center: Karuna Choetsok in Lesbos, Greece, where he planted a bodhi tree in the 'Buddha Garden', and where he consecrated what was to become the first in a long line of World Peace Buddha Statues, thankas and images.

Since 1982, he has travelled extensively, both healing and teaching worldwide, leading many pilgrimages to some of the most important holy places of different religious and spiritual denominations in the world. Since many years Lama Gangchen promotes a very important project: the integration between Tibetan Medicine (an incredible and unlikely still unknown treasure of humankind) with allopathic medicine.

Lama Gangchen Rinpoche is the holder of an ancient and unbroken lineage of Tantric Masters dating from the time of Shakyamuni Buddha. His Ngalso Tantric Selfhealing is based on Buddha's teaching but it's suitable for modern people.

At present he has more than 100 Inner Peace Education centres or Self-Healing Study Groups worldwide.


http://www.lgpt.net/bios/rinpoche.htm

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Re: CHINA and INDIA. Polar opposites or closer than one would think!
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2012, 06:24:18 PM »
You know something, the Chinese are an extremely insular culture and have been one of the most advanced human cultures on earth until recent times. They have developed a superiority complex by calling themselves the middle kingdom. And they hardly adopt and acquire anything from outside of the vast kingdom. The Chinese are a largely self-sufficient nation and so it is rather surprising that the Chinese would adopt  Buddhism.

One of the main reasons that the Chinese adopt Buddhism anyway was because of the logical and profound manner in which Buddhism was presented and that won the hearts and minds of the intellectuals. That was how the Chinese came to adopt Buddhism and it was largely through the intellectuals that brought about a spiritual transformation in China. In fact, Buddhism arrive in China first before it arrived in Tibet. And just like Tibet, it went through periods of growth, repression and so forth.

Although similar, Buddhism in India never gain the wide acceptance it had in China in order for it to survive. There were far more resistance in India due to fierce Hindu resistance often leading to hostile debates and conversion. But the final death blow came with the Muslim invasion of Northern India. In China, there were fewer resistance to Buddhism but a steady decline over time due to stagnation, dynastic changes and social strife. The main form of resistance towards the Buddhist clergy was because the monasteries and monastics were exempt from taxation and that lead to monasteries amassing quite a large coffer.

So, what's my point? Due to early trade, Buddhism was brought over to China and was adopted while in India, it disappeared due to massive resistance and war. Buddhism almost disappeared in China due to communism but has seen revival in recent years. Buddhism in India too has seen a recent revival. Cultural similarities are many and it is building upon these similarities that Buddhism can spread or left to decline.