China meeting with UK

[kris]

The latest topic in town now, is none other than China's president Xi visited UK. If you are out of touch on this topics, just do Google search, and you will know how well China president Xi is treated in UK.

Of course there are people who are not happy with this meeting, and the way Xi is treated and did some protests. If you remember just over 1 month ago, there was a protest against HHDL. Comparing 2 events, nobody was arrested during the protest against HHDL, but 2 were arrested during the protest against President Xi.

Either: 1) Protest against Xi is violent therefore warrant an arrest; or 2) UK government is bias towards China.

Either way, it is not good news for CTA.

What do you think about this new relationship of China and UK? With UK backing down on their stance about human rights, what impact would it bring to CTA?

[fruven]

UK is definitely making the President Xi feel welcomed. We cannot deny China's relationship with developed nations is improving.







Source: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/23/chinese-president-xi-jinping-uk-visit-roundup

[christine V]

Fruven, you are definitely right on NOT A GOOD NEWS TO CTA.

In the latest news on Guardian 23rd October'2015, the protesters are arrest and their home are searched. News reported as below:

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Xi Jinping protesters arrested and homes searched over London demonstrations.
Tibetan exile groups have also reacted with anger following the arrest of two women shortly after Shao for waving a Tibetan flag near Xi’s car. They also had their homes searched while under arrest.

The lawyer for the arrested women – Sonam Choden, 31, and Jamphel Lhamo, 33 – said in 40 years of legal experience he had never heard of police arresting peaceful protesters for conspiring to contravene section 5 of the Public Order Act, which concerns harassment or threatening behaviour.

Met police have reacted strongly to the accusations. In an unusual step, the force released a statement from the officer in charge of policing Xi’s visit, Commander Lucy D’Orsi, saying she was “disappointed” at suggestions the force was trying to suppress legitimate protest at the instigation of China.

Police say they believe Shao and the women had been conspiring to commit threatening behaviour; all three reject this claim.

The arrests took place on Wednesday afternoon as a motorcade carrying Xi and David Cameron arrived at Mansion House in London for a ceremonial banquet. Video shows Shao being tackled forcefully by officers as he stood near the cars holding two small placards. Choden and Lhamo were arrested soon afterwards while waving a flag.
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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/oct/23/activists-condemn-arrest-tibetan-pair-waving-flag-xi-jinping-met-police-chinese-president

[lotus1]

Would the CTA people call the Royal Family of UK "Chinese Dog" like how they call all the Shugden practitioners? I don't think they dare... hehehe 

China is growing stronger and stronger. We are seeing more and more countries making friends with China. Recently USA and now UK. I would suggest CTA to relook into their strategy and be friend with China. Then, they can talk and work together with China to improve the life of their fellows Tibetan.   

[Jason Statham]

I believe IF President Xi ever share about Dorje Shugden in England, Dorje Shugden's practice will become more well known, because England is a very famous country and when there is a news about the President of China sharing a topic about a specific Buddhist Dharma Protector, people will be very curious and will start to find more information upon the specific Protector. But that is just an IF. I am glad that England and China are friends, because China economy is currently the strongest and if they join force with England, I am very sure that many other countries would also like to participate. That is also one of the way to make Dorje Shugden practice become more well known. When it is more well known, more people will protest against the CIA and the ban will be lifted even quicker. If any of these happens, it will be a good and big step closer for us to lift the ban.

[fruven]

Is UK handling the peaceful protestors well during the China president's visit?

The news report of the arrest of Tibetan protestors doesn't sound very good to me. Of course when the head of another country is visiting the authorities are going to be very vigilant to prevent any untoward incidents from happening.

[DharmaSpace]

CTA is losing more ground on the International stage. CTA should make friends with the Chinese government, it will benefit them in all aspects of their governance of the Tibetans in exile.

[kris]

China has also held talks with Taiwan, first time in more than 60 years. It is even more bad news for CTA because CTA befriended Taiwan because they have the same "enemy": China.

But now Taiwan is befriending China, and the president Ma of Taiwan keeps complementing President Xi of China, it is even more bad news for CTA.

Somehow I am sensing the bad karma of CTA discriminating Dorje Shugden practitioners is coming back onto themselves...

[Tenzin K]

I believe that China at this moment is playing an important role for many country in term of business opportunity. UK is one of the many country that seeing this and does not willing to risk their opportunity just because of HH Dalai Lama. 

It will definitely affect CTA especially on monetary sponsorship as many more country is turning away from HH Dalai Lama for the same reason. The global economy is not doing well and every country will need to hold tight to save their country financial. That will be their leaders priority.

CTA should make friend with China to instead of going against them. After so long what has CTA gain and the as time goes I don’t see much of support from other country. Making friend with China is to protect Tibetan and start up a new hope for their country. If CTA still doesn’t realize who they are massing with we will just see how CTA varnish in soonest time.

[grandmapele]

So, China is moving in the world now. They are being recognized and accorded due respect. Where will this leave the Dalai Lama now? As more and more countries 'befriend' China for economic reasons, they will have to stand away from the Dalai Lama. It will be interesting to watch the ches game from here on.

[Matibhadra]

As more and more countries 'befriend' China for economic reasons,

Typical spiteful Western media brainwashing discourse. People brainwashed by such media cannot accept that China has friends except for economic reasons. Such people believe that only US can have true friends, because people and countries around the world love to be bombed and invaded by US troops; love to have their economies destroyed by US-imposed predatory free-trade agreements, corporations, and IMF policies; love to undergo US-led sanctions and embargoes; love to have their sovereignty violated by US-led attacks; love to suffer interference in their internal political processes by CIA and other sinister US agencies; love the have their democratically elected leaders demoted and killed by the same US agencies; and love to be ruled by US-imposed bloody dictators. Who would love China which is doing nothing of these?

[Big Uncle]

As more and more countries 'befriend' China for economic reasons,

Typical spiteful Western media brainwashing discourse. People brainwashed by such media cannot accept that China has friends except for economic reasons. Such people believe that only US can have true friends, because people and countries around the world love to be bombed and invaded by US troops; love to have their economies destroyed by US-imposed predatory free-trade agreements, corporations, and IMF policies; love to undergo US-led sanctions and embargoes; love to have their sovereignty violated by US-led attacks; love to suffer interference in their internal political processes by CIA and other sinister US agencies; love the have their democratically elected leaders demoted and killed by the same US agencies; and love to be ruled by US-imposed bloody dictators. Who would love China which is doing nothing of these?

You have a very good and valid point here. So, are you saying that the West is calling the kettle black, so to speak. They themselves, lead by US, one of the world's greatest bully is perhaps more of a problem and that the real world situation should be re-examined. I actually liked what you said because it makes sense and what some people are saying and there's some truth in there.

Even the US is funding CTA and the Dalai Lama's cause for Tibet, not because they value the Tibetan independence so much but because they know that the whole Tibetan cause can be leveraged to counter the growing might of China. That's their vested interest and nothing more. The Tibetans play into this by calling Shugden practitioners Chinese spies and traitors. This is childish and foolish. They will never ever get Tibet back in this manner. Why insult the Chinese when it is from them, that you would like them to return your homeland. What benefit would the Chinese get if they return Tibet in the face of such insults? That's how I see it. I am a Shugden practitioner but the Chinese govt does not pay not will ever do so, just because of my beliefs.

[vajratruth]

Why the UK and the rest of the world are being friendly with China is not the issue here. The fact is, they are. Even the Unites States of America sends mixed signals - on the one hand they speak against China's human rights record but on the other hand, they are actively courting China's market.

The point is this - the strategy that the Dalai Lama and CTA had banked on, which is to rely on the West to put pressure on China to relent in its stance on the Dalai Lama and Tibetan government in exile has failed without any doubts. So what is Dharamsala going to do next?

In the end, after 50 years in exile and under the rule of the Dalai Lama, the Tibetan people are without a home; the people are divided, the precious Dharma has been led to corruption, questions are now raised about the integrity of the many fund raising initiatives around the world and YET the CTA has not awaken to the reality and changed its ways.

Depending on which version of the Sino-Tibetan conflict you choose, China may have annexed the country but it is the Tibetan leadership that has ruined the nation and the future of the Tibetan people.

[Q]

Now everyone wants to befriend China. The CTA sure feel the pressure as more and more western countries that used to lend their support are starting to put China first.

As much as they may protest against China, it is undeniable that in the economy point of view, China is much needed. People will soon feel the benefits of being close to China within the improvement of their own country's and then they will shut up all together about China being bad.

As for DL and the CTA, they now no longer have any influence in demanding what they want for Tibet. At one point of time when China was still unstable and DL was huge in the western world, they may be able to pressure China a little, but now, they can't even demand for DL to go in China to visit WuTaiShan.

If they had drawn a deal with compromise with China much earlier, they may have gotten the better end of the bargain. Not now.