Afte 56 years, still blaming Dorje Shugden?

[gbds3jewels]

We have read about many countries being colonized in history and even in today's fairly "peaceful" era post WW2, the world has not been able to come together and ensure no sovereignty or country is forcefully taken over by another. Mankind has gone to war and killed and committed countless atrocities in the name of "god". What I'm trying to say is it is not that surprising for CTA to blame one of their deity for what happened/is happening in Tibet.

Mankind has blamed "god" for all kinds of shortcomings but it doesn't make it god's fault. It doesn't stop many from continuing to believe in god and their religious practices. Similarly CTA can blame Dorje Shugden and practitioners of Dorje Shugden but one thing for sure, that does absolutely nothing to help the Tibetan get back their country or improve the lives of Tibetans regardless which sovereignty it is under.

[Matibhadra]

[...] even in today's fairly "peaceful" era post WW2 [...]

There is no such thing as “fairly 'peaceful' era post WW2” even with quotation marks for peaceful.

“U.S. military forces were directly responsible for about 10 to 15 million deaths during the Korean and Vietnam Wars and the two Iraq Wars. The Korean War also includes Chinese deaths while the Vietnam War also includes fatalities in Cambodia and Laos.”

“In 1995 the Food and Agriculture Organization of the U.N. reported that U.N sanctions against on Iraq had been responsible for the deaths of more than 560,000 children since 1990.”

“The American public probably is not aware of these numbers and knows even less about the proxy wars for which the United States is also responsible. In the latter wars there were between nine and 14 million deaths in Afghanistan, Angola, Democratic Republic of the Congo, East Timor, Guatemala, Indonesia, Pakistan and Sudan.”

“But the victims are not just from big nations or one part of the world. The remaining deaths were in smaller ones which constitute over half the total number of nations. Virtually all parts of the world have been the target of U.S. intervention.”

“The overall conclusion reached is that the United States most likely has been responsible since WWII for the deaths of between 20 and 30 million people in wars and conflicts scattered over the world.”

“And the pain and anger is spread even further. Some authorities estimate that there are as many as 10 wounded for each person who dies in wars. Their visible, continued suffering is a continuing reminder to their fellow countrymen.”

http://www.countercurrents.org/lucas240407.htm

the world has not been able to come together and ensure no sovereignty or country is forcefully taken over by another.

So true. Even after WWII so many sovereign countries have been or remain forcefully taken over and occupied by US, such as Hawaii (since 1896), Cuba (Guantanamo), Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany (37,704 troops), Japan (48,828 troops), South Korea (27,558 troops), Kuwait (12,485 troops), and the list goes on almost endlessly, with a an official total of 173,335 troops occupying  more than 150 countries worldwide, not counting hundreds of thousands of mercenaries and proxy combatants such those from the Islamic State (which US charitably calls “Free Syrian Army”), al-Nusra Front, and other US supported terrorist groups worldwide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_deployments

[Tenzin K]

CTA should think big for the benefits of their Tibetan people. Emphasizing middle way is good if it help the situation but from the current situation is not! China is getting his influences bigger out there and what has CTA did? What type of help has CTA gotten from their effort? Who is benefiting and who is loosing now?

CTA should re-strategize and put their priority for the benefit of their people instead of personal. If all other country that is doing much much better than CTA would want to be friend with China and can see how it benefits each other in long term then what is CTA which has nothing. After so long who has really back CTA and voice up for CTA for their independent?

Tibetan leader should make friend with China for a bigger picture and stop separating their own people with non basis ban of Dorje Shugden. Unite the people and give religious freedom for their own people. It’s so contradicting that the Tibetan leaders are screaming for freedom but they take away their own people’s freedom…. What kind of example are they showing to the world?

Tibetan are not losing their culture under China and in fact China is restoring the monastery in Tibet and will further improve the situation and what are the Tibetan leaders going to say now?

[kelly]

However the CTA want to blame the actual fact is DS practice is not cause of Tibet independence is already a fact , the reason for the CTA not getting back their own country is mainly because of their own fault for not been able to unite their own people instead the CTA has created a lot disharmony among their own people there is nothing to do with DS practice.

[Dondrup Shugden]

The common practice by National Governments who cannot deliver is to blame and create division as the saying goes "Divide and Rule".

To divide Tibetans in exile the choice made by CTA is to create segregation and discrimination on Shugden devotees. Who can comprehend this, definitely the International communities will not get involved.  It is an internal problem.

Isn't the hurt and discrimination against the Shugden devotees an issue of human rights.  Where is the International support?

CTA must rectify their outrageous bullying tactics, spending so much efforts to Ban Shudgen worship but think of new and better ways with their attitude and relationship with China.

Dorje Shugden was never and is never the cause of Tibetan to lose Tibet. 

[James Bond]

Sometimes i really do wonder when all this blaming will end. When will the CTA realise that their mistake are because of their own actions, not because of Dorje Shugden.

In my opinion, the logic behind their blaming and the ban itself is illogical. There is so much evidence to show that Doje Shugden is who we think he is and yet the CTA does not lift the ban. And to add on to that they also blame Dorje Shudgen for their failures. How great is that? When will they learn.

[grandmapele]

So long as there's no proper education, the ban will be there. That's why knowledge and wisdom is very important. That's why the right was is to educate others about the true nature of Dorje Shugden so that they are do not equate Dorje Shugden to the bogieman.

[Shugdener]

It is pretty obvious that all these problems and issues were caused by Dorje Shugden.

I really don't see the logic of how the Dorje Shugden practice has been able to bring forth such problems that Tibet is facing.

The main reason why Tibet is facing such problems is because of the CTA, what they have been doing and what they are still doing is not the right thing to do and is incorrect.

The CTA really needs to think carefully before they do something. They need to think and imagine, what would happen if they did a certain something, what would be the possible outcome and etc.

This should stop them from getting themselves in to deeper trouble and hopefully it will eventually mend the broken ties between China and Tibet.

[Q]

Unfortunately, like it or not, there are still many Tibetans that are superstitious and would believe anything that these annoying CTA tell them. But things seem to be taking a turn, especially since the younger generation are educated and are able to think clearly about the demerits of the CTA.

I do hope that the ban on Dorje Shugden will be lifted soon. But even if it doesn't, in another 2 generations, perhaps the ban will no longer be applicable as the older superstitious generation dies and the new ones take over.