Zasep Rinpoche’s biography dispels CTA propaganda of Shugden practice

[SabS]

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"My question here is, if what VajraTruth is correct, then if Nechung has taken rebirth in a higher realm, then who has been entering the Nechung oracle in trance?"

Maybe a man who will do or say anything for money, status and power.

It has been rumoured that a vengeful spirit named Nyatrul could have taken over. Nyatrul was killed by the ministers of the 13th Dalai Lama after accusing him of trying to poison the Dalai Lama. He was actually innocent and was visiting his friend. As the Minister needed to solve the case they falsely accused Nyatrul and killed him. It seems that the adminstration of the Dalai Lama loves to accuse and kill others they deemed threatening or for convenience. And the Dalai Lama allow it! That is the strange part. While the Dalai Lama is supposedly enlightened but why does he allows all these terrible karmically negative acts? I am talking about the 5th , 13th, even the 14th. Since they are of the same mindstream, then they think the same??? What do you think?

[Harold Musetescu]

Yes SabS I do think that "Nyatrul" aka "Nyari Tulku" has affected previous Nechung Oracles.

I do not believe he is also doing this to the present Nechung Oracle.

I believe that the present Nechung Oracle and the previous Lamo Tsangpa Oracle were both in the pay of the CTA.

They both engaged in false trances and condemned Dorje Shugden in exchange for money, power and status.

The Lamo Tsangpa Oracle was the 3rd highest state Oracle.

He died in 2003 and none of his sons have be chosen by Tsangpa Karpo to take his place as a "State Oracle".

Tsangpa Karpo is the peaceful emanation of Lord Setrap.

Here is a link to a post I did on June 27, 2016 about the corrupt Lamo Tsangpa Oracle.

http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=5603.msg62182#msg62182

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" Was the previous Lamo Tsangpa Oracle corrupt?

« on: June 27, 2016, 09:00:57 AM »


The Lamo Tsangpa Oracle holds the third highest position in the world of Tibetan State Oracles. The  Lamo Tsangpa Oracle's position is a family held position that is passed from father to son. It is called "Lamo" since the original Oracle came from "Lamo" monastery in Tibet.

The previous Lamo Tsangpa was Tsewang Namgyal who held this position from 1986 until his death in 2003. He was official enthroned by the 14th Dalai Lama to this position in 1986. Originally the same problem with the Gadong Oracle existed with the Lamo Tsangpa Oracle in 1986. The Lamo Tsangpa Oracle did not "Speak" while in trance. In the DVD titled "Oracles - Reflections of Self" it clearly showed that the Lamo Tsangpa Oracle originally did not speak. Go to the 29:30 minute mark and you will be both the Gadong Oracle and the eldest son of Tsewang Namgyal both state that he did not originally speak. Even the producer of the film states this fact on numerous occasions.

This is now twice the 14th Dalai Lama chose a State Oracle that did not speak. The Gadong Oracle from 1987 until his death in 2015 (29 years) never spoke. Tsem Rinpoche did an excellent piece on youtube about Oracles titled "Taking Trances". He tells us of how a candidate is first chosen, the numerous retreats he must take and the testing done to prove that a proper Deity and not a demon has entered the candidate. Only after you successfully pass all these tests does the Lama that is testing you declare in an official certificate that you are an "Oracle". When the Dalai Lama enthroned Tsewang Namgyal in 1986 it appears he would have "Failed" a proper test by a Lama.

I do not believe that the dharmapala "Tsangpa Karpo" ever entered Tsewang Namgyal. That he was a "PAIDED" puppet of the 14th Dalai Lama. You can check this out on this very website by typing "Very good commentary by TK" into the search box. You will find an article written on February 2010 about two official announcements done in 1995 by the Lamo Tsangpo Oracle condemning Dorje Shugden. The first announcement was done on May 14, 1995 at the request of the "Private Office of His Holiness the Dalai Lama". The second announcement was done on June 14, 1995 at the request of the Cabinet of the "Tibetan Government in Exile". Both these announcements were anti Dorje Shugden and were done a mere year before the official "BAN" on the practice of Dorje Shugden.

I do not believe that these trances were real but FAKED. You may know that "Tsangpa Karpo" is a dharmapala but you may not know that he is the peaceful emanation of "Setrap". Yes that's correct, "Setrap" is the wrathful emanation of "Trangpa Karpo". It was "Setrap" who saved Dorje Shugden from death from Mindrolling Rinpoche's  "Fire Puja". It was also "Setrap" who guided Dorje Shugden to Sakya Trizin who enthroned him as a dharmapala. Sakya Trizin made Dorje Shugden a member of the "Gyalpo Sum" the three "King Spirits" that includes Setrap and Kache Marpo. So could someone explain to me how the wrathful emanation of "Tsangpa Karpo", Setrap saves Dorje Shugden only to have the Oracle of the peaceful emanation of "Condemn" him? It is not logical and I believe it can only mean one thing and these were totally faked trances.

Tsewang Namgyal came to India from Tibet in 1986. While growing up in Tibet he worked as a musician for the Chinese government until he retired. He came to India with this family on holidays (?) in 1986 and at the request from the Dalai Lama he did not return. He remained in India and became a refugee. He gave up his state pension and his home and belongs in China. He was now penny less with a wife and family to feed. How was he to feed and cloth his family? That was easy, the Dalai Lama and the then Tibetan Government in Exile made him a "Paid Employee". He was now the "Lamo Tsangpa" Oracle with all the rights and privileges that go with the title of "State Oracle". As long as he continued to please the Dalai Lama he would be a State Oracle and if did not please the Dalai Lama he would be FIRED. As long as the Lamo Tsangpa Oracle was anti Dorje Shugden he would continue to be in the employ of the Dalai Lama. Remember that State Oracles are in the employment of the Dalai Lama and in the past they were dismissed by the Dalai Lama if they displeased him. What would have happen to Tsewang Namgyal if say in 1995 he went into trance and announced that Dorje Shugden was in fact an enlightened being and that the Dalai Lama was wrong in his view of him? The answer is very simple the 14th Dalai Lama would have FIRED HIM. No more job and no more money you are now financial destroyed. Also Tsewang Namgyal's eldest son now has a great job as the personal photographer of the Dalai Lama.

Since his death in 2003 the dharmapala "Tsangpa Karpo" has not chosen any of Tsewang Namgyal's four sons as the next Lamo Tsangpa Oracle. WHY? I believe that the Tsangpa Karpo does not believe any of them are truly worthy of this position. The SINS OF THE FATHER are now visited upon the sons. As I have stated I believe that Tsewang Namgyal totally faked his trances and that "Tsangpa Karpo" never once entered him in his entire life. That is why when he was enthroned by the Dalai Lama in 1986 he never "Spoke". I believe that he was just like the Nechung and Tseringma Oracles, just "PAIDED PUPPET ORACLES" for the 14th Dalai Lama. If the Dalai Lama tells them that Dorje Shugden is evil then just like good puppets they announce that Dorje Shugden is evil. No more and no else. If they don't agree with the Dalai Lama they know that they will be FIRED and they will no longer have their "Job for life" as a State Oracle". I believe that the dharmapala Tsangpa Karpo could see into the future and knew what was in the heart of Tsewang Namgyal and that is why he never entered him.

So lets see what we have. The Nechung,Lamo Tsangpa and Tseringma Oracles are all paid puppets of the Dalai Lama and the Gadong Oracle never spoke in 29 years. Yet we are to believe that these four are all proper Oracles who have be properly enthroned by the 14th Dalai Lama.

I don't believe that for one second. DO YOU?"
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There are more comments about the Lamo Tsangpa Oracle if you go to the above link.

[Harold Musetescu]

Not even the late Gadong Oracle was a true Oracle.

The Gadong Oracle was the 2nd highest "State Oracle" and he was recognized as such by the Dalai Lama.

Yet in all his time as a "State Oracle" he could never take trance.

Here is an article I wrote in June 2016 about the late Gadong Oracle.

The Gadong Oracle passed away in 2015 and the Dharmpala "Shinjachen" has not accepted any of the sons of the late Gadong as a suitable replacement.

http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=5602.msg62126#msg62126

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The previous Gadong Oracle was never a true Oracle

« on: June 26, 2016, 10:23:20 PM »
 
The Gadong Oracle position is listed as the second highest position within the rankings of Official State Oracles of Tibet. The Nechung is first and the Lamo Tsangpa is the third highest position.

The Gadong Oracle is possessed in trance by the Dharmapala "Shinjachen" who guards the "Southern Gate" in the Pehar mandala.

The previous Gadong Oracle, Tenzin Wangdak was officially enthroned by the Dalai Lama in 1986 and he passed away in 2015. His was a family lineage of Oracles passed down from father to son.

For 19 years he held this position but he had only one problem and that he never "Spoke" while in trance. That's right "Shinjachen" was never able to speak through this Dalai Lama chosen "Oracle".
Tenzin Wangdak even admits this in the DVD, "Oracles, Reflection of Self". You can find in on youtube. Go to the 29:30 minute marker and you can see him stated that "Shinjachen" has never spoken through him while he was in a so called trance.

H.E. Tsem Rinpoche did a youtube video titled "Taking Trances" which he went into great detail about the selection,training and testing for Oracles. The final testing is done by a qualified Lama who tests the candidate while in "Trance". He is tested to see if the deity he is taking trance of is a true deity or a demon.
It is only after passing all the requirements of retreats and formal testing that the person is given an official certificate signed and sealed by the Lama.

It appears that the previous Gadong Oracle would have failed every test if a proper testing procedure had been done. How could the Dalai Lama have chosen Tenzin Wangdak and official enthroned him as the second highest State Oracle of Tibet? Tenzin Wangdak had stated that "Shinjachen" never spoke thorough him once.
So how and why did the Dalai Lama chose this man?

What does this say about the Dalai Lama? Is this another example of the Dalai Lama making another official mistake in judgement?
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So it appears that Dorje Drakden, Shinjachen and Tsangpa Karpo have abandoned the three "State Oracles" of Tibet.

[SabS]

Not even the late Gadong Oracle was a true Oracle.

The Gadong Oracle was the 2nd highest "State Oracle" and he was recognized as such by the Dalai Lama.

Yet in all his time as a "State Oracle" he could never take trance.

Here is an article I wrote in June 2016 about the late Gadong Oracle.

The Gadong Oracle passed away in 2015 and the Dharmpala "Shinjachen" has not accepted any of the sons of the late Gadong as a suitable replacement.

http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=5602.msg62126#msg62126

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The previous Gadong Oracle was never a true Oracle

« on: June 26, 2016, 10:23:20 PM »
 
The Gadong Oracle position is listed as the second highest position within the rankings of Official State Oracles of Tibet. The Nechung is first and the Lamo Tsangpa is the third highest position.

The Gadong Oracle is possessed in trance by the Dharmapala "Shinjachen" who guards the "Southern Gate" in the Pehar mandala.

The previous Gadong Oracle, Tenzin Wangdak was officially enthroned by the Dalai Lama in 1986 and he passed away in 2015. His was a family lineage of Oracles passed down from father to son.

For 19 years he held this position but he had only one problem and that he never "Spoke" while in trance. That's right "Shinjachen" was never able to speak through this Dalai Lama chosen "Oracle".
Tenzin Wangdak even admits this in the DVD, "Oracles, Reflection of Self". You can find in on youtube. Go to the 29:30 minute marker and you can see him stated that "Shinjachen" has never spoken through him while he was in a so called trance.

H.E. Tsem Rinpoche did a youtube video titled "Taking Trances" which he went into great detail about the selection,training and testing for Oracles. The final testing is done by a qualified Lama who tests the candidate while in "Trance". He is tested to see if the deity he is taking trance of is a true deity or a demon.
It is only after passing all the requirements of retreats and formal testing that the person is given an official certificate signed and sealed by the Lama.

It appears that the previous Gadong Oracle would have failed every test if a proper testing procedure had been done. How could the Dalai Lama have chosen Tenzin Wangdak and official enthroned him as the second highest State Oracle of Tibet? Tenzin Wangdak had stated that "Shinjachen" never spoke thorough him once.
So how and why did the Dalai Lama chose this man?

What does this say about the Dalai Lama? Is this another example of the Dalai Lama making another official mistake in judgement?
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So it appears that Dorje Drakden, Shinjachen and Tsangpa Karpo have abandoned the three "State Oracles" of Tibet.

Thank you Harold Musetescu for sharing on the Nechung Oracles. Obviously the 14th Dalai Lama knows best since he is the one who installed them. It would be easier to have Oracles that agrees with him don't you think? But then again, if it is the grand plan of the "Divine Play" then the Dalai Lama and Nechung are cohorts to play the game in order for Dorje Shugden to rise beyond doubt of his ability to be the Protector of Lama Tsongkapa's precious lineage teachings. Well, as time has proven, the practice of Dorje Shugden has spread far and wide and instead of fear for the "demon", Dorje Shugden had proven himself to be the true compassionate protector that he is. Countless of people had benefitted from him and Dorje Shugden has never let the trust of anyone down as yet.

[Harold Musetescu]

One must look at the possibility that Dorje Drakden has abandoned the Nechung Oracle.

If the Nechung Oracle is now taking fake trances for the CTA he is now longer a worthy vessel for Dorje Drakden.

The only spirits in the Nechung Oracle may be the evil spirits of past and present members of the CTA.

[Tracy]

It was nice that Zasep Rinpoche shared with the readers his personal story with Dorje Shugden. It is very clear that both he and his family trusted Dorje Shugden a lot and they have great faith in him. Dorje Shugden was not only practiced by the monks, but it was also practiced by laypersons too.

Many Dorje Shugden lamas prefer to practice Dorje Shugden quietly. For Zasep Rinpoche to write it in his book, it is very unusual. But I think all Dorje Shugden practitioners will appreciate what he has written in his book especially the part on who saved the Dalai Lama. The information he gave is the same as what other people said, he can't be lying about how Dorje Shugden has saved the Dalai Lama. The CTA is definitely telling lies.

Zasep Rinpoche is very dedicated to spreading Dharma, he has raised a lot of funds to help the monasteries. If Dorje Shugden is a spirit, how can a spirit help someone achieves so much in his Dharma work? Evil spirit only brings bad things, how is that possible that Zasep Rinpoche is doing so many great works to benefit all sentient beings?

[Alex]

It was nice that Zasep Rinpoche shared with the readers his personal story with Dorje Shugden. It is very clear that both he and his family trusted Dorje Shugden a lot and they have great faith in him. Dorje Shugden was not only practiced by the monks, but it was also practiced by laypersons too.

Many Dorje Shugden lamas prefer to practice Dorje Shugden quietly. For Zasep Rinpoche to write it in his book, it is very unusual. But I think all Dorje Shugden practitioners will appreciate what he has written in his book especially the part on who saved the Dalai Lama. The information he gave is the same as what other people said, he can't be lying about how Dorje Shugden has saved the Dalai Lama. The CTA is definitely telling lies.

Zasep Rinpoche is very dedicated to spreading Dharma, he has raised a lot of funds to help the monasteries. If Dorje Shugden is a spirit, how can a spirit help someone achieves so much in his Dharma work? Evil spirit only brings bad things, how is that possible that Zasep Rinpoche is doing so many great works to benefit all sentient beings?

That is why the only reason to explain all of the questions is that Dorje Shugden is an enlightened being. He is a Buddha and an emanation of Buddha of Wisdom, Manjushri. Dorje Shugden has been the personal protector for many high lamas such as Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche, Kyabje Zong Rinpoche and Lama Yeshe. Lama Yeshe has been saying that his success with the FPMT Buddhist centres are accredited to Dorje Shugden.

It was Dorje Shugden who made FPMT possible. Zasep Rinpoche has his own centre and Dorje Shugden being his personal protector, most probably Zasep Rinpoche had relied on Dorje Shugden for the success of his centre as well. Everyone that relied on Dorje Shugden has a success story to tell. Only when it comes to CTA, Dorje Shugden magically became an evil spirit that harms everyone while all along his track record is clean.

That is why I dont believe in CTA's lies about Dorje Shugden ban. There is no proof of what CTA had claimed about Dorje Shugden prior to the ban. All the evidence from pre-Dorje Shugden ban had proven that he is a great protector and we can definitely rely on them. If all these high lamas rely on this protector and got excellent results, he must be more than enough for a layperson like me.

[Drolma]

Not many people are as brave as Zasep Rinpoche to point out the Dorje Shugden ban is created by the CTA with a political agenda behind it. The ban was imposed 20 over years ago, it was very shocking for many people at that time. The ban has done a lot of damage to the Tibetan community, it causes disharmony and unity among the Tibetans.

After the ban was imposed, many friends and families were separated. Husband and wife split because one wanted to continue and the one won’t. Children whose families are Dorje Shugden followers would be bullied and isolated in the school. The business owners and monasteries put up signs to disallow the Dorje Shugden followers from going in. The monks are forced to swear when they are not supposed to.

The CTA did all this because they want to cover their failure in getting Tibet back. They need someone to take the blame. The fact is, the CTA has never been serious about the free Tibet movement. They are making use of the situation to get financial aids from the west, they are very selfish.

[Rowntree]

No matter how hard the Tibetan Leadership wanted to twist the truth, time will tell. Who would choose to believe them instead of erudite masters like Trijang Rinpoche and Zasep Rinpoche? There are more Trijang Rinpoche and Zasep Rinpoche out there who will reveal the truth soon. There is nothing the Tibetan Leadership can do. Many videos and books being published about the escape and how Dorje Shugden was consulted at the wish of the Dalai Lama who trusted Dorje Shugden completely.

On the side note, I would like to share an interesting alternate account as to how the Great Fifth Dalai Lama enthroned Dorje Shugden. The traditional account tells of the Great Fifth Dalai Lama had remorse after Mindrolling Terchen the Nyingma lama and his group failed to gain results from performing all the fire pujas. So the Great Fifth Dalai Lama enthroned Dorje Shugden realising he was not an angry spirit.

In the below account by Kangyur Rinpoche, however, it was that the Great Fifth Dalai Lama had a vision of an almighty Dorje Shugden pressing down on the Potala. It was due to that then the Great Fifth Dalai Lama enthroned Dorje Shugden as a Dharmapala.

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As for the final events that led up to his reconciliation of the events regarding Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen and his recognition of Dorje Shugden as a protector, Kangyur Rinpoche gives the following account:

The Fifth Dalai was on retreat in the Potala when the Potala began to shake. When the Potala began to shake Dorje Shugden had his right foot pressing on the top of the “mi drug” boulder mountain [smi drug rdza ri] and his left foot pressing on the top of Drepung Gepel mountain. His pressed down on the Potala with his trident... The Fifth Dalai Lama felt remorseful and confessed to Dorje Shugden. He founded Trode Khangsar in which he placed a statue of Dorje Shugden. He then wrote Manjushri’s Own Words [a famous Lam-Rim text], and offered it to Panchen Rinpoche who was almost 100 years old. Panchen Rinpoche said, “I am a happy old monk, now by this the Gelug tradition will flourish” and he passed away soon after.

Source: http://www.dorjeshugdenhistory.org/trode-khangsar-8.html

Interesting to read from Zasep Rinpoche on HH the Dalai escape which is the same as what Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche said where Dorje Shugden is the one that safe His Holiness by advising him to escape from Tibet. If there is only one person talk about it, it could be hard to believe but now more and more people speak up based on their experience which mean it’s the truth.  It’s sad to see how the fact being twisted by saying Nechung is the one that help His Holiness the Dalai Lama escape from Tibet where else Nechung is the want actually asked His Holiness the Dalai Lama to stay! Imagine what would happen if His Holiness listen to Nechung? One more sadden issue is that after Dorje Shugden has help and safe His Holiness, His Holiness turn out to ban Dorje Shugden practice. This really sound so unjust and how could Dorje Shugden being right for the past 400 years and now suddenly be wrong? If Dorje Shugden can be wrong now which mean all the high lamas can be wrong too including His Holiness and who can be right now? It doesn’t make sense.

I’m glad to read what Zasep Rinpoche stated here as the truth will always revealed.

[Tracy]

It is impossible that Dorje Shugden is an evil spirit who will harm the practitioners. Many high lamas rely on him and propitiate him for their spiritual work. Lamas such as Pabongka Rinpoche, Trijang Rinpoche and many more all took rebirth in a human form again to continue to spread Dharma. If Dorje Shugden really is a spirit, these lamas would have gone down to the 3 realms already.

For CTA to say Dorje Shugden is an evil spirit and is sabotaging the free Tibet movement does not make sense at all. Why would Dorje Shugden want to sabotage the free Tibet movement? As a Dharma protector, he is more concerned of someone's spiritual practice than secular matters. His manifestation is to bring benefits to people, not to harm. The CTA just wants to use Dorje Shugden as a scapegoat to cover their failure.

Zasep Rinpoche wrote very clearly in his book the reason why the CTA imposed the ban. Zasep Rinpoche is a high lama, he will not tell lie, there is also no reason for him to tell lie. Besides, he is not the only lama who said it was Dorje Shugden who saved the 14th Dalai Lama, Trijang Rinpoche also told the same story.  I don't believe these 2 high lamas will tell lie, they are merely presenting the fact to us. The CTA is a liar, sooner or later the truth will reveal itself.

[Alex]

How nice to see another High lama stand up and defend the practice of Dorje Shugden. Nowadays, it is rare to find someone to actually stands up to CTA and tell them that Dorje Shugden is actually a Buddha and his practice is very beneficial to whoever that stumbled upon him.

We need more lamas like Zasep Rinpoche to talk more about Dorje Shugden and to tell the Tibetan leadership off for labeling Dorje Shugden as a spirit and his practice is bad for us. There are so many high lamas that use Dorje Shugden as their main protector. If Dorje Shugden is good enough for these high lamas, I am sure that he is good enough for us as well.

That is why Dorje Shugden is not a spirit and he is definitely Buddha which is a conclusion that derived from carefully examining the traits of the practice and the people who are practicing him. He is an enlightened Buddha and not a mere spirit.

[Harold Musetescu]

How nice to see another High lama stand up and defend the practice of Dorje Shugden. Nowadays, it is rare to find someone to actually stands up to CTA and tell them that Dorje Shugden is actually a Buddha and his practice is very beneficial to whoever that stumbled upon him.

We need more lamas like Zasep Rinpoche to talk more about Dorje Shugden and to tell the Tibetan leadership off for labeling Dorje Shugden as a spirit and his practice is bad for us. There are so many high lamas that use Dorje Shugden as their main protector..

Yes Alex I totally agree with your statement.

One Lama that we all need to stand up publicly is the current Trijang Rinpoche.

Why the SILENCE from the present day Trijang Rinpoche??