There's A Real Domo Geshe Rinpoche Incarnation

[Lineageholder]

Oy vey VS, I didn't say that, it's an amalgamation of two people's posts! Heh

Lineageholder, in consideration of thaimonk's response, I don't think it was actually the good monastic education that drove Lama Osel over the edge, though that may be what he expressed. (After all, if he'd said anything else, would it have made a difference to us? Whatever reasons he gives, fact of the matter is that he left. That and we've all got our minds made up about the reasons why he went)

In fact, if a tulku can control their rebirth, then why can't they control whether they are driven over the edge or not? That's comparatively easier than controlling where you're reborn.

So thaimonk I believe has a point there - tulkus like Lama Osel are in total control. It just appears off course to us, because we are the ones off course. (Like FPMT have gone off course breaking their samaya with Lama Yeshe's practices). The lama reflects the students and can only work according to the students' collective karma and merit.

One possible explanation is that Lama Osel is the genuine incarnation of Lama Yeshe and he's off course because of the political correctness displayed by the FPMT.  Another possible explanation is that some poor Spanish lad, who didn't have any choice in the matter, was misidentified as the incarnation of Lama Yeshe and then forced to endure a strict monastic education until he was old enough to say "I'm not doing this anymore; I'm in charge of my own destiny".

I favour the latter explanation.  It's my belief that, due to the political infection of Tibetan Buddhism by the 5th Dalai Lama, an infection that has been incubating for over three hundred and seventy years and that manifested in the political actions of the thirteenth Dalai Lama, and finally in the extreme actions of the fourteenth Dalai Lama making religious practice an issue of referendum and ban, the tulku system is no longer pure and reliable.  As I showed in an earlier post, to be 'recognised' by the Dalai Lama is to invite disaster.

In banning the practice of Dorje Shugden, the 14th Dalai Lama has created schism and disharmony in the name of unity! Furthermore, there are two Panchen Lamas, two Karmapas, two Geshe Domo Rinpoches and goodness knows how many more - eventually there will probably be two Dalai Lamas.  This is how crazy things become when politics is involved.  Where there is division and disharmony, the Dharma cannot flourish.  This is even clearer in the recent comments of the Kalon Tripa where he is actually inciting Tibetans to violence against Shugden practitioners. How can a person in robes incite violence?  Yet there are many incidents in the bloody history of Tibetan politics where this is what has happened.  It seems that the chickens are finally coming home to roost. 

Do not rely on anything but the true meaning of Buddhadharma as taught by our precious root and Lineage Gurus and be discriminating about what is taught and who is teaching it.  Be careful, keep the best motivation you can and don't do anything for the sake of politics.

[thaimonk]

Oy vey VS, I didn't say that, it's an amalgamation of two people's posts! Heh

Lineageholder, in consideration of thaimonk's response, I don't think it was actually the good monastic education that drove Lama Osel over the edge, though that may be what he expressed. (After all, if he'd said anything else, would it have made a difference to us? Whatever reasons he gives, fact of the matter is that he left. That and we've all got our minds made up about the reasons why he went)

In fact, if a tulku can control their rebirth, then why can't they control whether they are driven over the edge or not? That's comparatively easier than controlling where you're reborn.

So thaimonk I believe has a point there - tulkus like Lama Osel are in total control. It just appears off course to us, because we are the ones off course. (Like FPMT have gone off course breaking their samaya with Lama Yeshe's practices). The lama reflects the students and can only work according to the students' collective karma and merit.

One possible explanation is that Lama Osel is the genuine incarnation of Lama Yeshe and he's off course because of the political correctness displayed by the FPMT.  Another possible explanation is that some poor Spanish lad, who didn't have any choice in the matter, was misidentified as the incarnation of Lama Yeshe and then forced to endure a strict monastic education until he was old enough to say "I'm not doing this anymore; I'm in charge of my own destiny".

I favour the latter explanation.  It's my belief that, due to the political infection of Tibetan Buddhism by the 5th Dalai Lama, an infection that has been incubating for over three hundred and seventy years and that manifested in the political actions of the thirteenth Dalai Lama, and finally in the extreme actions of the fourteenth Dalai Lama making religious practice an issue of referendum and ban, the tulku system is no longer pure and reliable.  As I showed in an earlier post, to be 'recognised' by the Dalai Lama is to invite disaster.

I choose the former. FPMT broke their samaya. Lama Osel cannot manifest his work. Just like Shakyamuni's teachings will only last 5,000 years. No matter how powerful Shakyamuni is, that is the length our merits can sustain the teachings. Lama Osel was not able to 'take' the monastic training was the result of FPMT's heavy negative karma. They went completely off track of Lama Yeshe's practices.

FPMT's political correctness came at a heavy price.

[Lineageholder]

I choose the former. FPMT broke their samaya. Lama Osel cannot manifest his work. Just like Shakyamuni's teachings will only last 5,000 years. No matter how powerful Shakyamuni is, that is the length our merits can sustain the teachings. Lama Osel was not able to 'take' the monastic training was the result of FPMT's heavy negative karma. They went completely off track of Lama Yeshe's practices.

FPMT's political correctness came at a heavy price.

No matter which way you look at it, politics is a poison that causes nothing but problems when it contaminates Dharma.

[thaimonk]

Until we eliminate the samsara within us, no one can help contaminating dharma. So better to look within. We can control our own karma and not others.

[WisdomBeing]

Until we eliminate the samsara within us, no one can help contaminating dharma. So better to look within. We can control our own karma and not others.

That's what I thought Dharma teaches us. That we create everything that happens to us. I was just reading the Wheel of Sharp Weapons yesterday and find it so apt...

"When we are born in oppressive and wretched condition,
This is the wheel of sharp weapons returning
Full circle upon us from wrongs we have done.
Till now we have always had a negative outlook
We have criticized others, seeing only their flaws
Hereafter let's cultivate positive feelings
And view our surroundings as stainless and pure."

If anyone is suffering under the ban, we must have created the karma for it.

So can we please stop creating the causes by stopping having negative outlooks, criticising others, seeing only their flaws, cultivate positive feelings and see our environment as stainless and pure?

[WisdomBeing]

Anyway back to topic - i digressed...

I found this on Shar Gaden website:

http://shargadenpa.org/throneholder/domo-geshe-rinpoche

KYABJE DOMO GESHE RINPOCHE LOSANG JIGME NGAK-GI WANGCHUK

LO ter jam pel nying po luk SANG chok
Dzin la JIG drel tuk tob da ME ching
Nyen gyu men NGAK ta cho nam dak GI
Gyun pel ma we WANGCHUK shab ten shok

O fearless One, with peerless, powerful mind,
You carry the essence of Losang’s treasury,
The supreme, noble teachings of Manjusri Tsongkapa.
Please live long O Lord of Speech,
Ceaselessly spreading the instructions
On the pure view and action of the Whispered Lineage!

(This name and wish fulfillment prayer was composed and offered to Losang Jigme Ngak –Gi Wangchuk the supreme reincarnation of Domo Geshe Rinpoche by Kyabje Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche on the 13th Day of the 7th Month in the Year 2006).
Kyabje Domo Geshe Rinpoche Losang Jigme Ngak-Gi Wangchuk was recognized and confirmed as the authentic reincarnation of Kyabje Domo Geshe Rinpoche Ngawang Jigme Chokyi Wangchuk by Kyabje Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche after careful divination, invocation of the Dharmapala and prayers spanning a period of four years (2002 to 2006). The previous Kyabje Domo Geshe Rinpoche was also recognized by previous Kyabje Yongzin Trijang Dorjechang jointly with Kyabje Pharbongka Dorjechang.
This holy reincarnation of one of the greatest present day Mahasiddhas was born in New York, USA on 2nd June, 2003 in the auspicious month of Saga Dawa to ethnic Sikkimese parents belonging to the Lingmo Kazi family who were orthodox Nyingmapas. Due to the great obstacles that usually accompany the birth of such an emanation and the degenerate times we live in, Rinpoche’s family faced unbelievable opposition and harassment. As such, it was only after establishing beyond any doubt that their son was indeed the true and unmistaken reincarnation of Kyabje Domo Geshe Rinpoche that his parents finally consented to offer their only son two years after the recognition. During this period, Rinpoche revealed himself to his parents on many occasions and the miracles that accompanied him is legendary now among his devotees. Today the parents are convinced that they have done the right thing and are happy in the knowledge that they have had the privilege of playing a positive role in the continuation of this holy lineage.
His official enthronement took place at Dung Guen Samtencholing, Darjeeling, his principal monastery in India on 3rd March; 2008. This joyous occasion was attended by thousands of devotees from all over the world including members of The World Fellowship of Buddhists and the Representative of the US Consulate. Thereafter he was enthroned at Tashi Choling, his monastery in Kurseong, West Bengal and then at Enchey House the ancestral home and seat of previous Domo Geshe Rinpoche in Gangtok, Sikkim. On 23rd June, 2008 he was enthroned at Gangjong Namgyel, Lew Beach NY, the US residence and headquarters of the previous Domo Geshe Rinpoche. The enthronement was presided over by Kyabje Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche and   Kyabje Yongyal Rinpoche. Gangchen Rinpoche,  Achok Rinpoche, Michel Rinpoche and Zawa Tulku  Rinpoche attended. Geshe Helmut Gassner  attended as Gonsar Rinpoche’s representative. Kyabje Pharbongka Rinpoche too sent his blessings and a Representative (Khentrul Rinpoche).

He was formally enrolled and enthroned at Shar Gaden Monastery on 25th April, 2009. He is presently studying with several tutors under the guidance of his spiritual Guru and Mentor H.E. Kyabje Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche.

The 1st Domo Geshe Rinpoche Ngawang Kalsang studied at Tashi Lhunpo Monastery, Tibet from where he received his Kachen Degree.

The 2nd Domo Geshe Rinpoche Ngawang Jigme Wangchuk studied at Sera Monastery, Tibet till he received his Geshe Lingsa Degree.

The official seat and premier monastery of this profound lineage was Dhungkar Gonpa Monastery situated at Domo, Tibet. This monastery has remained loyal to its lineage and has accepted Losang Jigme Ngak-Gi Wangchuk as the true reincarnation of Kyabje Domo Geshe Rinpoche.

[Mana]

Dear WisdomBeing,

This is a genuinely welcomed post. It will inspire many people. Thank you.

Mana

[LosangKhyentse]

Dear WB,

This post you extracted on Dromo Geshe Rinpoche is beautiful and very relevant. Thank you for taking the time to find information of interest that shows the infallibility of Dorje Shugden's practice.

Domo Geshe Rinpoche is one of the foremost practitioners of Dorje Shugden for his line of incarnations. The very fact he can be recognized shows clearly that Dorje Shugden's practice is without fault.

Whether the Tibetan Govt recognizes a new incarnation of Domo Geshe Rinpoche or Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche, the FACT is he was a Dorje Shugden practitioner. If the Tibetan Govt recognizes him, inadvertantly they have said he did not go to the three lower realms for practicing something 'so wrong'. The Tibetan Govt makes themselves look illogical again.

If the Tibetan Govt wanted to prove their point, then they SHOULD NOT recognize another one and place him in Sera Jey Monastery. They should in fact say, it is impossible to recognize an incarnation as he has gone to the lower realms because of Dorje Shugden. They should also add, the Domo Geshe Rinpoche recognized by Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche is false. Tibetan Govt did not do this. Very short sighted. Domo Geshe's previous incarnation was recognized by Trijang Rinpoche. This current Domo Geshe Rinpoche is again recognized by current Trijang Rinpoche. So why are they interfering again? They know this Tulku can do much benefit to the spread of the lineage when he matures. Tibetan Govt are afraid their ban will have less and less hold as powerful Tulkus such as Domo Geshe Rinpoche start speaking up later.

But by recognizing a second Domo Geshe Rinpoche after the first was confirmed by Trijang Rinpoche, the Tibetan Govt has created such a damaging mistake for themselves. They are saying that if you practice Dorje Shugden, you can come back, be recognized and continue your work. So practicing Dorje Shugden does lead to positive results. That is not their intent, but they made it clear their demonization of Shugden is politically based and a mistake they try to cover again and again. The practice of Dorje Shugden has been cherished by many accomplished lamas of the highest calibre such as Domo Geshe Rinpoche, so it cannot be wrong. It is not wrong. It cannot be made into something wrong.

TK

[WisdomBeing]

i was reading this by Geshe Kelsang Gyatso:

"Geshe Kelsang: "Concerning whether or not Dorje Shugden is an enlightened being, there can be no final conclusion through negative debate, mixing religion with political aims. This is because from the point of view of many people he is a worldly being, but at the same time from the point of view of many other people he is the Wisdom Buddha. This reasoning applies not only to Dorje Shugden, but to all holy beings.

If someone asked you how to prove that the fifth and fourteenth Dalai Lamas are Buddhas, you would most certainly find it difficult to give clear reasons. On the other hand, if someone asked you how to prove that these two lamas are not Buddhas, you could easily give a clear answer. You could say: they are not Buddhas because they need translators, they get sick, they are unable to come to their own decisions but have to rely on those of oracles, and sometimes they even get angry. How can a Buddha get angry, get sick, and so forth? Buddhas do not need oracles? So talking about this subject is completely meaningless, and only destroys peace and harmony in Buddhist circles."

http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=3874

The bolding is mine - just to draw attention to the good points the venerable Geshe Kelsang Gyatso is making - which is that we should respect all holy beings and that it is not necessary to discuss topics that are difficult to prove which causes schism in the Sangha.

[Big Uncle]

Sorry to digress but what about the other Domo Geshe Rinpoche? The Western female Lama that seems to be rather active online with her blog and website.

This is her center's website -->  http://www.white-conch.org/Welcome.html
and her blogsite -->http://satisfiedbuddhist.blogspot.com

Who recognised her and the circumstances that brought about her recognition is rather vague. Here is the profile found on her blog.

Domo Geshe Rinpoche is a reincarnate Lama of the Geluk tradition of Tibetan Buddhism. The Domo Geshe Rinpoche lineage includes Je Pabongka Rinpoche, Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche and the great Geshe Jampa Chombe. As a reincarnate, teaching for a number of years, holds numerous retreats and spiritual training. The current Western incarnation of Domo Geshe Rinpoche arrived through rare and powerful tantric methods in order to transmit the authentic Dharma in the Western cultural context. This incarnation of Domo Geshe Rinpoche is considered unusual arising as an adult,a Westerner, and female. Founder and spiritual director of White Conch, with branches in USA and Germany. Founder of Grand Transitions Hospice and Institute, Author of Mystery of Emptiness & Love and Red Lotus, Buddhist Wisdom. She travels much of the year, teaching or is at her Hermitage in Cen WI where retreats are also given.

Does anybody know her story?

[thaimonk]

 4104 Svetlana

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From: Guestbook #1 Submitted on 5 January 2011 21:53:13

No one can be the master of Karma per se not even Shakyamuni Buddha, we are individually responsible and 'master' of our own Karma based on our own actions! Yes His Holiness did go to great lengths with regards to the reincarnation of Domo Geshe Rinpoche, he first refused to compose the 'Quick Return' prayers when requested to do so by the monasteries just after the passing away of the previous Rinpoche(thus sparking rumours that there will be no more reincarnations of Domo Geshe Rinpoche). But he now favours a 'non-Shugden worshipping' rival candidate.Proof that even a 'Living Buddha' can be misled.

[thaimonk]

Harold
[email protected]

2011/01/04 at 5:43 pm

If you google “Domo Geshe Fraud” you will see over a dozen websites that identity a woman in the USA who is falsely claiming to be the reincarnation of Domo Geshe Rinpoche.

Her name is Marjorie Dadak aka Marjorie Quinn aka Tara Wangchuk aka Domo Geshe Rinpoche.

She lives in Wisconsin and has for years claimed to be the TRUE incarnation of Domo Geshe Rinpoche,

Please click onto the infinitenetworks.com website to see a 12 part series that exposes this woman as a fraud, con artist and cult leader.

This website is run by me and I have being in contact with H.E. Gonsar Rinpoche who help me in exposing this woman.

She was on “Facebook” until very recently but was removed by them after a series of formal complaints.

This woman is now illegally ordaining men and woman as monks and nuns all in the name of Domo Geshe Rinpoche.

She has even renounced Dorje Shugden on her website,

She is now teaching in Wisconsin, New Mexico, California and now Europe.

You can see numerous videos of her on youtube.

Please help to stop this woman and her false claims of being Domo Geshe Rinpoche

Metta

 

[thaimonk]

from: vajrastorm in comments section

2011/01/05 at 11:21 pm


I would like to highlight two points regarding this article on the newly incarnated Domo Geshe Rinpoche.

The first point is with regards to the prophecy of over one thousand years ago. According to this prophecy, at the time of great crisis for the ¬Dharma, help will come from the “hidden land” of Sikkim. This prophecy has now been fulfilled by the first reincarnation and the current or second reincarnation of one of the greatest Mahasiddhas of these degenerate times, Domo Geshe Rinpoche. Both these incarnations are born of Sikkimese parents.

The second point pertains to the especially close bond between Kyabje Trijang Dorje Chang and the first and second Domo Geshe Rinpoche. This bond is also continued into the lifetimes of their reincarnations. The young Domo Geshe Rinpoche, the current reincarnation, was recognized, in 2006, by Kyabje Choktrul Trijang Rinpoche ( the present incarnation of Kyabje Trijang Dorje Chang) after four years of a careful and painstaking process of divination, invocation of Dharmapala Dorje Shugden and prayers.

The first Domo Geshe Rinpoche had a very close and special relationship with Kyabje Trijang Dorje Chang, as is mentioned in Kyabje Trijang Dorje Chang’s autobiography. Even, when his end was drawing near, Domo Geshe Rinpoche left messages placing the responsibility of his monastery with Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche. The latter went to Phagri to fulfill the specific instructions of Domo Geshe Rinpoche on how his body should be treated and how the stupa containing his relics should be built. Both these two great friend were devoted to the practice of Dharmapala Dorje Shugden, for the purpose of benefitting all beings.

On 25 April 2009, the young current Domo Geshe Rinpoche was formally enrolled and enthroned in Shar Gaden Monastery. He is presently studying there under several tutors and under the guidance of his Spiritual Guide and Mentor Kyabje Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche . The latter has also moved to Shar Gaden together with his Labrang. Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche is thus ensuring that this incarnation of Domo Geshe Rinpoche , who “ (carries) the essence of Losang’s treasury, (the) supreme noble teachings of Manjushri Tsongkhapa”, would truly be able to faithfully and “ceaselessly” spread these lineage teachings far and wide.

Shar Gaden Monastery was established by monks of the Gelugpa lineage to preserve the pure teachings and practices of this lineage (including the practice of Dharmapala Dorje Shugden, the Protector sworn to protect and spread Je Tsongkhapa’s teachings ). It was established following the Dalai Lama’s ban on the practice of Dorje Shugden and the subsequent ostracizing and persecution of Dorje Shugden practitioners.

It is truly amazing to see how the swift and powerful Dharmapala Dorje Shugden works to ensure that these holy beings and Bodhisattvas can, over lifetimes and incarnations, preserve and spread the teachings of the second Buddha Je Tsongkhapa continuously and in great abundance, for the benefit of all beings of this degenerate age.

 

[DSFriend]

Knowing that FPMT has chosen to be politically correct, Lama Osel still incarnate and be in our midst and still teaching, though not via the conventional method as expected. As TK puts it so well, it is a great lesson to be learnt. How kind and compassionate. How can a being who can control their rebirths be "off course". It must be the ones who cannot control their rebirths are the ones gone "off course."

[Helena]

High reincarnated tulkus cannot go off course. It just appears off course. It appears to us off course, because we are the ones actually off course. So what is right will appear wrong.

This is such a great profound line in itself.

If the we are the ones who are actually off course, then nothing will appear quite right to us. And this will apply to just about every single thing in our lives - beyond our perception of Tulkus, Dharma and Lamas, etc.

If we can just accept this fact, perhaps we can remain open and be less judgemental. Perhaps we can actually learn more and see much wider than ever before.