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Do You Agree With This Pabongka Bio?
« on: April 05, 2011, 10:44:28 PM »
Pabongka Rinpoche (Pha-bong-kha; also spelt Phabongkha), Jampa Tenzin Trinlay Gyatso, (1878–1941) was one of the great Gelug lamas of the modern era of Tibetan Buddhism. He attained his Geshe degree at Sera Monastic University, Lhasa, and became a highly influential teacher in Tibet, unusual for teaching a great number of lay people. He was the root Lama of both Kyabje Ling Rinpoche and Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche, the two tutors of the present Dalai Lama, and the teacher of most of the other Gelug Lamas who have been bringing the Dharma to the West since they fled Tibet in 1959.[1] Pabongka was offered the regency of the present Dalai Lama but declined the request because "he strongly disliked political affairs.

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Position on other Tibetan Buddhist schools

Although he was a Gelugpa Lama, Je Phabongkhapa respected the four schools of Tibetan Buddhism and discouraged sectarianism. In Liberation in the Palm of Your Hand, he said:

Abandoning Dharma is, in the final analysis, disparaging the Hinayana because of the Mahayana; favoring the Hinayana on account of the Mahayana; playing off sutra against tantra; playing off the four classes of the tantras against each other; favoring one of the Tibetan schools—the Sakya, Gelug, Kagyu, or Nyingma—and disparaging the rest; and so on. In other words, we abandon Dharma any time we favor our own tenets and disparage the rest.[40]

Je Phabongkhapa also said that Padmasambhava (the founder of the Nyingma school), Je Tsongkhapa, Atisha, and Buddha Shakyamuni were all one holy being, not four separate mental continuums.[41]

Pabongka Rinpoche was at times at odds with the 13th Dalai Lama over Pabongka's supposed antagonism toward the Nyingma lineage. His advocacy of the Dorje Shugden Protector practice is also now criticized by some in the Tibetan Buddhist world. [citation needed] Von Bruck, however, says that Pabongka's Shugden text "does not say that only Gelukpa teaching leads to liberation, but calls Tsongkhapa's teaching the highest and the essence of all teachings. But this is traditional parlance and not an exaggerated exclusivity."[42]

According to academic David Kay, in an account that has been much disputed by Gelugpa scholars: "As the Gelug agent of the Tibetan government in Kham (Khams) (Eastern Tibet), and in response to the Rimed movement that had originated and was flowering in that region, Phabongkha Rinpoche and his disciples employed repressive measures against non-Gelug sects. Religious artifacts associated with Padmasambhava – who is revered as a "second Buddha" by Nyingma practitioners – were destroyed, and non-Gelug, and particularly Nyingma, monasteries were forcibly converted to the Gelug position. A key element of Phabongkha Rinpoche’s outlook was the cult of the protective deity Dorje Shugden, which he married to the idea of Gelug exclusivism and employed against other traditions as well as against those within the Gelug who had eclectic tendencies."[43]

According to Kay, "His teaching tour of Kham in 1938 was a seminal phase, leading to a hardening of his exclusivism and the adoption of a militantly sectarian stance. In reaction to the flourishing Rimed movement and the perceived decline of Gelug monasteries in that region, Phabongkha and his disciples spearheaded a revival movement, promoting the supremacy of the Gelug as the only pure tradition."[44] Buddhist scholar Matthew Kapstein echoes these remarks, writing, "There has been a great deal of sectarian dispute among Tibetan refugees in India. Much of this has its roots in the works of Pha-bong-kha-pa Bde-chen snying-po (1878-1937), whose visions of the Dge-lugs-pa protective deity Rdo-rje shugs-ldan seem to have entailed a commitment to oppose actively the other schools of Tibetan Buddhism and the Bon-po."[45]

However, most Gelug Lamas strongly dispute allegations against Pabongka's supposed wrong-doing. Some say that Je Phabongkhapa’s popularity made others jealous, serving as the basis of many rumors of sectarianism on his part against other Tibetan Buddhist schools. Responding to this allegation, Lama Zopa of the FPMT has said that criticism of Pabongka "because he practiced Shugden, making him out to be some kind of demon" is misplaced because he:"wrote incredible teachings on sutra and tantra; on Heruka, Tara Cittamani and many other topics. All these amazing teachings were written purely from his experience. So it’s impossible that he can really be some kind of evil being, as those extremists accuse him of being. There’s no way he could have done the negative things they say he did."[46]

Regarding Kopan Monastery giving up Dorje Shugden practice, Lama Zopa also pointed out:

This was done for His Holiness (The Dalai Lama). This does not mean that Pabongka Dechen Nyingpo, His Holiness Trijang Rinpoche, and His Holiness Song Rinpoche have made mistakes. It does not mean they are wrong. Nor does one have to look at the protector as evil. For us ordinary people it is difficult to judge, because we cannot see these lamas ’ minds. Another side of the teaching is that it is mentioned that the protector (Dorje Shugden) is an Arya Bodhisattva, a manifestation of Manjushri. So, then, there is also the risk of our creating very heavy karma in that context (by criticizing or abandoning this practice).[47]

Geshe Kelsang Gyatso also rejected the rumors that Je Phabongkhapa was averse to the Nyingma tradition, saying:

“Je Phabongkhapa had great devotion for Je Tsongkhapa. Je Tsongkhapa praised Padmasambhava, so it is impossible for Je Phabongkhapa to show disrespect for Padmasambhava, impossible.”

Kyabje Zong Rinpoche, a high ranking Lharampa Geshe and Abbot of Ganden Shartse[48], said in his teachings:

Kyabje Phabongka was also an emanation of Heruka Chakrasamvara, but degeneration of the times and jealousy of ordinary beings have made it difficult to become aware of his tremendous qualities. There are many biographies of Kyabje Phabongka that make his realized qualities very clear.[49]

Kyabje Zong Rinpoche also explained the importance for Gelugpas of developing faith in the Gelugpa lineage passed down through Je Phabongkhapa and his principal disciple Trijang Rinpoche:

Kyabje Phabongka passed all of his lineages to Kyabje Trijang Dorje Chang. He often said this in discourses. The purpose of this detailed exposition is to affirm the power of the lineage. If we lose faith in the lineage, we are lost. We should remember the biographies of past and present teachers. We should never develop negative thoughts towards our root and lineage gurus. If we do not keep the commitments after having received teachings, this is a great downfall.”[50][edit]

Position on Bon religion

Regarding Pabongka Rinpoche's attitude toward the non-Buddhist Bön religion, he said that "The dharmas of Boenpos, tirthikas, and so forth are non-Buddhist and should not be taken as our refuge."[51] In his famous work Liberation in the Palm of Your Hand, he calls it an "evil system", "false dharma", "not worthy of being a refuge", "plagiarized", and "invented".[52] Although the Bon religion was originally highly hostile to Buddhists,[53] Je Phabongkhapa never advocated intolerance towards them: "Boen is not a refuge for Buddhists; it is not worthy of being a refuge. All the same, Buddhists and Boenpos say things to each other out of attachment or hostility, and this hardly makes for honest debate. It is vital that you should know the sources of the Boen religion."[54] To support his claim that Bon is not a fitting refuge for Buddhists, Je Phabongkhapa quoted several Buddhist scholars, including Milarepa who said, "The source of Boen is perverted Dharma. A creation of nagas and powerful elementals, it does not take one to the ultimate path."[55]

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Re: Do You Agree With This Pabongka Bio?
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2011, 06:00:07 AM »
To compare the opinion of a secular academician to the opinion of Gelugpa scholars, I would tend to believe the opinions of the latter.

"militantly sectarian" would be never be an appropriate epithet of Kyabje Pabongkha Dorje Chang!  As is quoted above from Liberation in the Palm of Your hand, Pabongkha Rinpoche says, "we abandon Dharma any time we favor our own tenets and disparage the rest." It is quite clear what Pabongkha Rinpoche thinks.

I very much respect what Lama Zopa says about Pabongkha Rinpoche. Even though Lama Zopa's stance on Dorje Shugden is well known to all, here he speaks so respectfully of this great lineage Master. I quote again "All these amazing teachings were written purely from his experience. So it’s impossible that he can really be some kind of evil being, as those extremists accuse him of being. There’s no way he could have done the negative things they say he did."

The great Masters such as Kyabje Zong Rinpoche and of course needless to say the great Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche see Kyabje Pabongkha Rinpoche as one of the greatest Masters and this is truly an exalted lineage which is unquestionable.

It is very sad that people out of jealousy and inferiority wish to create schism and spread false rumours. It has always happened in history and happens today and unfortunately will continue to happen. People will always want to say negative things about successful and popular Lamas (again, I draw the parallel of Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen vs Fifth Dalai Lama). However I do believe that these high Lamas cannot be harmed but how much they can benefit is up to the students of these Lamas and the Sangha or Dharma communities. If people continue to be schismatic, the causes are created for the Great Masters to not fulfil their potential.

I believe the incarnation of Pabonkha Rinpoche is back but low profile due to politics. I hope Dharma practitioners everywhere will please contemplate how we can support the growth of Dharma rather than hinder it by idle chatter and negative talk.
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Re: Do You Agree With This Pabongka Bio?
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2011, 12:40:47 PM »
Geshe Kelsang says that he checked carefully with local people in Kham concerning the stories of Je Phabongkha's activities towards the Nyingma tradition and found the allegations to be rumours spread by those Jealous of the popularity of Je Phabongkha and his teachings:

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When I lived in Tibet I checked very carefully with local Geshes about the truth or falsity of these assertions. I understood that when Je Phabongkhapa visited eastern Tibet (Kham) and gave teachings there, many people came to his teachings. He was widely respected and received a lot of devotion from many people, but at the same time some local people jealous of his success spread rumours, saying that he caused the statue of Padmasambhava to be destroyed and so forth.


From http://www.dharmaprotector.org/political-power.html

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Re: Do You Agree With This Pabongka Bio?
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2011, 01:17:27 PM »
"...whose visions of the Gelugpa protective deity Dorje Shugden seem to have entailed a commitment to oppose actively the other schools of Tibetan Buddhism and the Bon-po".
 
Perhaps the Tibetans, being "enclosed" in a small society of their own, and being competitive in making their own "school" of Tibetan Buddhism famous, has somehow misinterpreted the practice of Dorje Shugden being "sectarian".

I'm trying to think in a secular modern world - if a student of a Business School wants to focus on Marketing, as compared to Management, and has been advised by his lecturer to solely take Marketing core papers and not study other electives, would it be considered as a "commitment to oppose actively the other schools of Management studies in Business and Accounting"?

What is wrong with focusing on one particular practice? Then wouldn't it be wrong for practitioners in ALL other schools as well because they practice their own lineage protector and why are they not practising OTHER protectors like Nechung and Shugden?

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Re: Do You Agree With This Pabongka Bio?
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2011, 02:22:52 PM »
Well, I do agree very much with this:

Although he was a Gelugpa Lama, Je Phabongkhapa respected the four schools of Tibetan Buddhism and discouraged sectarianism. In Liberation in the Palm of Your Hand, he said:

Abandoning Dharma is, in the final analysis, disparaging the Hinayana because of the Mahayana; favoring the Hinayana on account of the Mahayana; playing off sutra against tantra; playing off the four classes of the tantras against each other; favoring one of the Tibetan schools—the Sakya, Gelug, Kagyu, or Nyingma—and disparaging the rest; and so on. In other words, we abandon Dharma any time we favor our own tenets and disparage the rest.[40]

Je Phabongkhapa also said that Padmasambhava (the founder of the Nyingma school), Je Tsongkhapa, Atisha, and Buddha Shakyamuni were all one holy being, not four separate mental continuums.[41]

It is illogical that someone could so widely promote the Lamrim and be sectarian. It clearly does not make sense because the Lamrim is based upon the teachings of all the other schools - so how can this be sectarian?? This is very clear, about the way Pabongkha spoke and how his words have been twisted:

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Pabongka Rinpoche was at times at odds with the 13th Dalai Lama over Pabongka's supposed antagonism toward the Nyingma lineage. His advocacy of the Dorje Shugden Protector practice is also now criticized by some in the Tibetan Buddhist world. [citation needed] Von Bruck, however, says that Pabongka's Shugden text "does not say that only Gelukpa teaching leads to liberation, but calls Tsongkhapa's teaching the highest and the essence of all teachings. But this is traditional parlance and not an exaggerated exclusivity."[42]

We have already had several discussions here about the meaning of sectarianism. It is interesting that just becomes a practitioner wishes to focus only on the teachings and practices of his lineage, he is dubbed as sectarian. In truth, what is practiced within the Gelug lineage - in terms of staying focused and loyal to one lineage and the teachings of that lineage - is also practised across all the other schools. So what pabongkha does is nothing unusual.

I think it is because of jealousy. Also, nothing unusual. It is happening all around the world across all schools, all religions. You still can't get away from the fact that it is from his teachings and lineages emerged some of the world's most influential teachings that have played such an integral part to bring Tibetan Buddhist teachings everywhere.

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Re: Do You Agree With This Pabongka Bio?
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2011, 03:03:48 PM »
To compare the opinion of a secular academician to the opinion of Gelugpa scholars, I would tend to believe the opinions of the latter.


Agree with you WB.


Perhaps the Tibetans, being "enclosed" in a small society of their own, and being competitive in making their own "school" of Tibetan Buddhism famous, has somehow misinterpreted the practice of Dorje Shugden being "sectarian".

I'm trying to think in a secular modern world - if a student of a Business School wants to focus on Marketing, as compared to Management, and has been advised by his lecturer to solely take Marketing core papers and not study other electives, would it be considered as a "commitment to oppose actively the other schools of Management studies in Business and Accounting"?

What is wrong with focusing on one particular practice? Then wouldn't it be wrong for practitioners in ALL other schools as well because they practice their own lineage protector and why are they not practising OTHER protectors like Nechung and Shugden?

Well said Vajraprotector.

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Re: Do You Agree With This Pabongka Bio?
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2011, 06:12:57 AM »
Geshe Kelsang says that he checked carefully with local people in Kham concerning the stories of Je Phabongkha's activities towards the Nyingma tradition and found the allegations to be rumours spread by those Jealous of the popularity of Je Phabongkha and his teachings:

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When I lived in Tibet I checked very carefully with local Geshes about the truth or falsity of these assertions. I understood that when Je Phabongkhapa visited eastern Tibet (Kham) and gave teachings there, many people came to his teachings. He was widely respected and received a lot of devotion from many people, but at the same time some local people jealous of his success spread rumours, saying that he caused the statue of Padmasambhava to be destroyed and so forth.


From http://www.dharmaprotector.org/political-power.html


I think that the people of the other traditions are very jealous of Pabongka Rinpoche and are deliberately spreading malicious and false rumors. They are jealous because Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche is extremely popular with both lay and monastics during his time. This is ground-breaking because Gelug Lamas are known to only teach monastics while the other traditions would focus on lay students.Therefore, many clerics and lay students of the other traditions would be jealous of Pabongka Rinpoche and possibly fabricate rumors and such.

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Re: Do You Agree With This Pabongka Bio?
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2011, 04:22:22 PM »
Just reread this, and rediscovered this, which is key. Stuck out great in the read, thanks Mana!

Kyabje Zong Rinpoche also explained the importance for Gelugpas of developing faith in the Gelugpa lineage passed down through Je Phabongkhapa and his principal disciple Trijang Rinpoche:

Kyabje Phabongka passed all of his lineages to Kyabje Trijang Dorje Chang. He often said this in discourses. The purpose of this detailed exposition is to affirm the power of the lineage. If we lose faith in the lineage, we are lost. We should remember the biographies of past and present teachers. We should never develop negative thoughts towards our root and lineage gurus. If we do not keep the commitments after having received teachings, this is a great downfall.”

I couldn't have said it better: "we should never develop negative thoughts towards our root and lineage gurus."

Once we start, it doesn't stop. It leaves the door wide open for us to think more negative thoughts and maybe eventually react to it and begin to think some or all of the teachings are not correct. Then we abandon the dharma, which is the worst kind of "sin" because then, what are we left with?

Important to remember that it's not that the lamas need us to maintain pure thoughts about them. WE need it for ourselves, to keep our minds committed and stable. We need to have conviction in something in our lives. If we cannot even remain stable and committed to a spiritual path, then nothing else is sacred!

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Re: Do You Agree With This Pabongka Bio?
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2011, 09:50:09 AM »
 The greatest element of discord in this Pabongka bio is the assertion of him being sectarian. As has been pointed out here, Pabongka himself has refuted this false claim about him in Liberation in the Palm of Your Hand (the seminal Lamrim teachings which he gave in the course of 24 days). In Day Three, on the Greatness of the Dharma that is the Lamrim, he says that the greatest misdeed is to abandon the Dharma; and he cites, as an instance of abandoning the Dharma, “favoring one of the Tibetan schools – the Sakya, Gelug, Kagyu or Nyingma – and disparaging the rest”. He further goes on to say, “In other words, we abandon Dharma any time we favor our own tenets and disparage the rest.” So how then can anyone accuse him of being sectarian?

Von Bruck also says that ‘Pabongka’s Shugden text “does not say that only Gelukpa teaching leads to liberation, but calls Tsongkhapa’s teachings the highest and the essence of all teachings” ‘.  Indeed,  Je Tsongkapa’s teachings, especially his propounding of Nargjuna’s Middle View(Correct View) on Emptiness, has been proclaimed by many, even from the other Tibetan lineages, as being unequalled in its clarity .       

I like what Beggar says : “ Just because a practitioner wishes to focus on the teachings and practices of his lineage, he is dubbed as sectarian. In truth, what is practiced within the Gelug lineage – in terms of staying focused and loyal to one lineage and the teachings of that lineage – is also practiced across all the other schools”. Yes, focus on one’s lineage teachings is essential to one’s practice if one wishes to progress on the Path. The lineage carries the blessings of an unbroken transmission of teachings all the way from Buddha Sahkyamuni. It carries the blessings of all the lineage masters.

Last, but not least, is what the great Kyabje Zong Rinpoche(an illustrious student of Pabongka Rinpoche) has to say, in regard to the power of lineage, and devotion and respect to our root and lineage gurus:
“If we lose faith in this(the Gelugpa) lineage, we are lost……We should never develop negative thoughts towards our root and lineage gurus”.

 

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Re: Do You Agree With This Pabongka Bio?
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2011, 05:35:54 PM »
I truly rejoice with what this website and forum are doing. May there be many more like this, spreading the stories of these great lamas and Masters, presenting the different perspectives for the world to start seeing, opening their eyes and minds. With time, people will begin to wonder and question as well.

It's simple. If Pabongka Rinpoche is so bad, why are we still studying the lamrim that Rinpoche wrote?

With websites and Forums such as these, promoting more awareness and information, every fallacy TGIE puts up will be shot down in time. WHY? Because what TGIE says and what we personally experience/see/hear do not match. In time, more people will start to have that same 'un-matched' experience.

I have tremendous high regard for Pabongka Rinpoche. Rinpoche is likened to be like our great grand father, if we see our current teacher as our father.

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