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The door is open for Dalai Lama, China says
« on: May 19, 2011, 07:35:28 AM »
It's interesting that "Beijing says the Dalai Lama is welcome to come back if he drops his separatist activities and aspirations for an independent Tibet."

The Dalai Lama has denied seeking independence for decades, so why is there continued disbelief from China's side?

This is the first i have heard re recognising Taiwan as part of China as one of the preconditions to accepting the Dalai Lama to return to China/Tibet though.


http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/5028006/The-door-is-open-for-Dalai-Lama-China-says/

The door is open for Dalai Lama, China says

Last updated 19:13 19/05/2011

The Dalai Lama's decision to give up political power won't boost or diminish the likelihood of his being able to return to Tibet, the Chinese government-appointed governor of the remote Himalayan region said on Thursday.

China demonises the Dalai Lama as a separatist but he remains Tibetan Buddhism's highest spiritual authority and is revered by most Tibetans.

Governor Padma Choling told reporters at a briefing in Beijing that "the door is always open" for the Dalai Lama's return - if he meets China's preconditions - and that his retirement from the government-in-exile he set up in India was irrelevant to negotiations with China.

Beijing does not recognise the Dharamsala-based government that, until recently, was headed by the exiled Tibetan Buddhist leader. The Dalai Lama recently turned over his political authority to Lobsang Sangay, a 43-year-old Harvard legal scholar who won April elections.

Lobsang has predicted that the 76-year-old Dalai Lama will return to Tibet during his lifetime.

Choling, the most senior ethnic Tibetan in the regional government, said the Dalai Lama has "done nothing good for Tibet since he left in 1959", and his decisions and actions are far removed from his homeland.

"Whether Dalai retires or not, where he goes and what he does after his retirement will have a certain degree of effect on Tibet, but what will it be?", he said. "Let me put it this way by quoting one of my predecessors who said 'Waves in a swimming pool don't make the weather."'

Beijing says the Dalai Lama is welcome to come back if he drops his separatist activities and aspirations for an independent Tibet. The spiritual leader has repeatedly denied seeking Tibet's independence from China.

China also says he must accept Tibet is an inalienable part of China and recognise Taiwan as a province of China. China claims the self-ruled island of Taiwan as part of its territory.

The Communist-led Chinese government has held nine rounds of talks with the Dalai Lama and his representatives over the years, with no headway.

China claims Tibet has been its territory for centuries, although many Tibetans say they were effectively independent for most of that time. The Dalai Lama fled into exile amid an abortive uprising against Chinese rule in 1959, nine years after communist forces entered the Himalayan region.
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Re: The door is open for Dalai Lama, China says
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2011, 05:00:03 PM »
It's interesting that "Beijing says the Dalai Lama is welcome to come back if he drops his separatist activities and aspirations for an independent Tibet."

The Dalai Lama has denied seeking independence for decades, so why is there continued disbelief from China's side?

This is the first i have heard re recognising Taiwan as part of China as one of the preconditions to accepting the Dalai Lama to return to China/Tibet though.


http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/5028006/The-door-is-open-for-Dalai-Lama-China-says/

The door is open for Dalai Lama, China says

Last updated 19:13 19/05/2011

The Dalai Lama's decision to give up political power won't boost or diminish the likelihood of his being able to return to Tibet, the Chinese government-appointed governor of the remote Himalayan region said on Thursday.

China demonises the Dalai Lama as a separatist but he remains Tibetan Buddhism's highest spiritual authority and is revered by most Tibetans.

Governor Padma Choling told reporters at a briefing in Beijing that "the door is always open" for the Dalai Lama's return - if he meets China's preconditions - and that his retirement from the government-in-exile he set up in India was irrelevant to negotiations with China.

Beijing does not recognise the Dharamsala-based government that, until recently, was headed by the exiled Tibetan Buddhist leader. The Dalai Lama recently turned over his political authority to Lobsang Sangay, a 43-year-old Harvard legal scholar who won April elections.

Lobsang has predicted that the 76-year-old Dalai Lama will return to Tibet during his lifetime.

Choling, the most senior ethnic Tibetan in the regional government, said the Dalai Lama has "done nothing good for Tibet since he left in 1959", and his decisions and actions are far removed from his homeland.

"Whether Dalai retires or not, where he goes and what he does after his retirement will have a certain degree of effect on Tibet, but what will it be?", he said. "Let me put it this way by quoting one of my predecessors who said 'Waves in a swimming pool don't make the weather."'

Beijing says the Dalai Lama is welcome to come back if he drops his separatist activities and aspirations for an independent Tibet. The spiritual leader has repeatedly denied seeking Tibet's independence from China.

China also says he must accept Tibet is an inalienable part of China and recognise Taiwan as a province of China. China claims the self-ruled island of Taiwan as part of its territory.

The Communist-led Chinese government has held nine rounds of talks with the Dalai Lama and his representatives over the years, with no headway.

China claims Tibet has been its territory for centuries, although many Tibetans say they were effectively independent for most of that time. The Dalai Lama fled into exile amid an abortive uprising against Chinese rule in 1959, nine years after communist forces entered the Himalayan region.


That's the view China's always maintained. It's been a tug of war for decades now, and neither is going to give way. And sad to say, but the view of the Chinese government is held by an entity (IE/ a government) that'll long outlive a person (IE/ His Holiness). And you know, a few generations from now on, a free Tibet will be a distant dream for Tibetan youths, but the Chinese will continue to maintain that Tibet has always been a part of them.

The whole recognising Taiwan as an inalienable part of China thing makes sense for a few reasons.

First, as compared to the Tibetan situation, Taiwan is actually closer to being recognised as an independent nation. Although it does not have diplomatic representation at the United Nations, they do have diplomatic missions on their land, meaning other governments recognise them as an independent country with which they can make independent treaties.

Second, Taiwan actually has its own land...

In recognising Taiwan (which is further along the independent government process as compared to Tibet) as an inalienable part of China, Tibet would effectively be giving up their own basis of a claim to independence.

On a more spiritual note, recognising Taiwan as an inalienable part of China means the Tibetan government-in-exile will also cease to continue to lend support to Taiwan and/or allow any Tibetan lamas to travel to Taiwan, to garner huge support there.

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Re: The door is open for Dalai Lama, China says
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2011, 08:50:22 PM »
There are a few things odd with this entire article... although perhaps it's just me reading into it a little too much.

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Lobsang has predicted that the 76-year-old Dalai Lama will return to Tibet during his lifetime.


His prediction holds no significant value. There is no basis for that claim, and it will unnecessarily get the Tibetans hopes up.

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Choling, the most senior ethnic Tibetan in the regional government, said the Dalai Lama has "done nothing good for Tibet since he left in 1959", and his decisions and actions are far removed from his homeland.


Although rude, the most senior ethnic Tibetan in the regional government shows that not all Tibetans follow what HHDL says.

Sad that he doesn't realize that HHDL has done the greatest thing for Tibet since he left in 1959 - he's helping to spread Dorje Shugden's practice.

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China also says he must accept Tibet is an inalienable part of China and recognise Taiwan as a province of China. China claims the self-ruled island of Taiwan as part of its territory.


Accepting Tibet as part of China is one issue, why does China have to bring in Taiwan as well? Can't they get power nations like America and Russia to make that statement?

They clearly see the power in Dalai Lama's words...

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Re: The door is open for Dalai Lama, China says
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2011, 12:31:12 PM »
There are a few things odd with this entire article... although perhaps it's just me reading into it a little too much.

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Lobsang has predicted that the 76-year-old Dalai Lama will return to Tibet during his lifetime.


His prediction holds no significant value. There is no basis for that claim, and it will unnecessarily get the Tibetans hopes up.


If His Holiness couldn't do it, what makes Lobsang Sangay so sure he can?

Sorry but it's the kind of sweeping statement people make when they're first elected, and when the promises aren't carried through later down the line during his term, justifying statements (of the "oh I didn't say that, my words were misinterpreted" variety) start coming out of the woodwork.

No offence to the TGIE and their more-than-capable new leader but they don't hold a candle to the influence that His Holiness has.

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Re: The door is open for Dalai Lama, China says
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2011, 08:42:25 PM »
If the Dalai Lama actually retires from politics, there would be a slim chance he can make friends with China and then visit Tibet. As a political leader, it would not be feasible to the Chinese to allow him into Tibet. It would create much unrest in Tibet. That would be the last thing Beijing would want.

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Re: The door is open for Dalai Lama, China says
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2011, 11:55:27 AM »
The Door is Open for the Dalai Lama, China says... Is it really?

Sounds to me like a bad advertising campaign! Thinking the 'consumers' are silly enough to believe the headline and not read the fine print. Is one's door really open when there are conditions attached? In this case Taiwan? And where did this spring from and what relevance is it to HH, apart from the fact China knows the influence HH has on Taiwan and is trying to grab at straws while trying to look good... How silly China believes they can keep it open ended this way. Its all creative writing and a whole load of bull (pardon the expression)!

If China were to truly swing its doors open to welcome HH, it would be China offering something to HH and not the other way around. The cheek of politicians!!! Tsk tsk tsk

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Re: The door is open for Dalai Lama, China says
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2011, 01:41:34 PM »
The Door is Open for the Dalai Lama, China says... Is it really?

Sounds to me like a bad advertising campaign! Thinking the 'consumers' are silly enough to believe the headline and not read the fine print. Is one's door really open when there are conditions attached? In this case Taiwan? And where did this spring from and what relevance is it to HH, apart from the fact China knows the influence HH has on Taiwan and is trying to grab at straws while trying to look good... How silly China believes they can keep it open ended this way. Its all creative writing and a whole load of bull (pardon the expression)!

If China were to truly swing its doors open to welcome HH, it would be China offering something to HH and not the other way around. The cheek of politicians!!! Tsk tsk tsk

I like what yo wrote , Positive Change, very cute!

China's open door policy to Tibet is like the door is opened but the gate is still closed.  Yes, it is really creative wrting from the cheeky politicians!!!