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Prayer to Namkar Barzin... Isn't Dorje Shugden enough?
« on: July 20, 2011, 09:07:11 PM »
Namkar Baezin is also an Enlightened protector that has humbly serve the king Dorje Shugden! There is a prayer to him requesting his help and protection from thievery. If we have Dorje Shugden as our main protector, then is it necessary to also invoke Namkar Barzin? Isn't DS enough??


Invocation to Lord Namkar Barzin

An Invocation to Lord Namkar Barzin

With great faith I take refuge in Lord Shakyamuni Buddha
Who with great self sacrifice perseverance achieved fully,
The peerless Enlightenment under the Bodhi tree in Bodh Gaya,
And with profound compassion turned the wheel of Dharma.

With great reverence I pay heartfelt homage to Lord Tsongkhapa,
Who as an emanation of the Lord of Speech Manjushri,
Took rebirth during the times that Shakyamuni’s teachings
Were on the decline and enacted the deeds of enlightened activities.

I bow to the Great Geshe of Dromo of Phari, who in dependence upon
Hearing, contemplation and meditation relied on the preliminaries
Of Tsongkapa retreat and the secret Mother Queen Vajra Yogini,
Achieved great siddhis and was a tremendous benefit to others.

Great Mongolian Geshe who was diligent and caught in storm returning,
Taunted and made fun of were the causes for you to manifest
‘compassionate’ anger to take on a form of a supreme Dharmapala,
I invoke your swift presence to this place now by the power of my refuge.

You who take on the form of a fully ordained monk holding sword which
Cuts the bonds of our temporal sufferings and difficulties,
Who holds a white skull cup representing that you have mastered tantra,
And who rides on a mystical gyaling as a mount, showing your tantric masteries.

Who rides amid psychic wind, fire and smoke with great speed,
And who has three eyes on the lookout for those in need of protection.
Since the great Mahasiddha of Phari, Dromo Geshe places confidence in you,
So I one with faith but little merit do also.

Please calm down the disturbances, fighting, violence, crime, in this
Region in which you are invoked. Many here are suffering unnecessarily.
Please calm the violence and hostilities here. Protect those without
Help and assistance. Let disturbing violence in this area stop.

Let the population have peace, harmony, prosperity and growth.
I invoke you and request you to be the protector of this region and
Keep a close eye on those who may be the object of crime and thievery.
Please calm the local guardians for they can come under your subjugation.

Have pity and great compassion to the one who is invoking you through
This prayer of request. Although our spiritual attainments are none, we have
Great faith in Lord Buddha and the holy Dharma, so with respect I remind you of the
Oath you have taken with the great Mahasiddha of Phari, Dromo Geshe Rinpoche.

I offer you milk, teas, cakes, biscuits, yoghurts, incense, lights, and various other
Offerings as to make a link with you. Please out of your great compassion, accept
And make this whole area at peace, prosperous and calm. Use your quick powerful
Actions and show immediate protection that is ongoing.

OM BIYADA-PAR DHAMA-DHARA SOHA
(recite as many times as possible)


Please manifest signs to all that are clear and evident of your much needed presence,
Show clear and swift results in helping the suffering of this area.
I invoke you and request you from my heart. You, great Mongol Geshe Namka Barzin,
Protect, protect and show your swift actions for all to witness.

Great Mongol Geshe whose mystical powers have been proven,
Who is known to be swift as wind and extremely fierce, gnawing your lower lip,
Whose reputation to guard the property and wealth of those who place faith in you is famed,
Show special favour to me that I may gain inner and outer accomplishments.

On a personal basis, be my guardian, friend and protector.
Grant me my needs and necessities and may they come easily.
May I gain wealth, prosperity and freedom from obstructers, human and non-human.
Make the situations arise that I may practice the Dharma in-depth.

Remain as my Dharma protector and calm interferences. May I be blessed by the
Faultless Shakyamuni, Tsongkhapa and Dromo Geshe in this life and all future lives.
Where there is unhappiness and sufferings, may it quell and be calmed. May I be of
Tremendous benefit to others and a fully enlightened being.

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Re: Prayer to Namkar Barzin... Isn't Dorje Shugden enough?
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2011, 08:02:09 AM »
Isn't Shakyamuni enough? Why have Tsongkapa?
Isn't Yamantaka enough? There's Tara.
Isn't Gelug Guru Tree enough? Why have Kagyu Guru Tree?
Isn't Lam Rim enough? Why study Lamdre?
Isn't Nyingma enough, why have Sakya?
Isn't Panchen Lama enough? Why have Trijang Rinpoche?
Isn't Ratna Shugden enough? Why have Padma Shugden?
Isn't Om Mani Peme Hung enough? Why have Om Mani Peme Hung Hri?
Isn't Kalacakra enough? Why have Heruka?
Isn't Panchen Sonam Drakpa's writings enough? Why have Jamyang Konchok Shepa's texts?

Just some thoughts :) ;).

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Re: Prayer to Namkar Barzin... Isn't Dorje Shugden enough?
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2011, 01:19:10 PM »
Namkar Baezin is also an Enlightened protector that has humbly serve the king Dorje Shugden! There is a prayer to him requesting his help and protection from thievery. If we have Dorje Shugden as our main protector, then is it necessary to also invoke Namkar Barzin? Isn't DS enough??


Invocation to Lord Namkar Barzin

An Invocation to Lord Namkar Barzin

With great faith I take refuge in Lord Shakyamuni Buddha
Who with great self sacrifice perseverance achieved fully,
The peerless Enlightenment under the Bodhi tree in Bodh Gaya,
And with profound compassion turned the wheel of Dharma.

With great reverence I pay heartfelt homage to Lord Tsongkhapa,
Who as an emanation of the Lord of Speech Manjushri,
Took rebirth during the times that Shakyamuni’s teachings
Were on the decline and enacted the deeds of enlightened activities.

I bow to the Great Geshe of Dromo of Phari, who in dependence upon
Hearing, contemplation and meditation relied on the preliminaries
Of Tsongkapa retreat and the secret Mother Queen Vajra Yogini,
Achieved great siddhis and was a tremendous benefit to others.

Great Mongolian Geshe who was diligent and caught in storm returning,
Taunted and made fun of were the causes for you to manifest
‘compassionate’ anger to take on a form of a supreme Dharmapala,
I invoke your swift presence to this place now by the power of my refuge.

You who take on the form of a fully ordained monk holding sword which
Cuts the bonds of our temporal sufferings and difficulties,
Who holds a white skull cup representing that you have mastered tantra,
And who rides on a mystical gyaling as a mount, showing your tantric masteries.

Who rides amid psychic wind, fire and smoke with great speed,
And who has three eyes on the lookout for those in need of protection.
Since the great Mahasiddha of Phari, Dromo Geshe places confidence in you,
So I one with faith but little merit do also.

Please calm down the disturbances, fighting, violence, crime, in this
Region in which you are invoked. Many here are suffering unnecessarily.
Please calm the violence and hostilities here. Protect those without
Help and assistance. Let disturbing violence in this area stop.

Let the population have peace, harmony, prosperity and growth.
I invoke you and request you to be the protector of this region and
Keep a close eye on those who may be the object of crime and thievery.
Please calm the local guardians for they can come under your subjugation.

Have pity and great compassion to the one who is invoking you through
This prayer of request. Although our spiritual attainments are none, we have
Great faith in Lord Buddha and the holy Dharma, so with respect I remind you of the
Oath you have taken with the great Mahasiddha of Phari, Dromo Geshe Rinpoche.

I offer you milk, teas, cakes, biscuits, yoghurts, incense, lights, and various other
Offerings as to make a link with you. Please out of your great compassion, accept
And make this whole area at peace, prosperous and calm. Use your quick powerful
Actions and show immediate protection that is ongoing.

OM BIYADA-PAR DHAMA-DHARA SOHA
(recite as many times as possible)


Please manifest signs to all that are clear and evident of your much needed presence,
Show clear and swift results in helping the suffering of this area.
I invoke you and request you from my heart. You, great Mongol Geshe Namka Barzin,
Protect, protect and show your swift actions for all to witness.

Great Mongol Geshe whose mystical powers have been proven,
Who is known to be swift as wind and extremely fierce, gnawing your lower lip,
Whose reputation to guard the property and wealth of those who place faith in you is famed,
Show special favour to me that I may gain inner and outer accomplishments.

On a personal basis, be my guardian, friend and protector.
Grant me my needs and necessities and may they come easily.
May I gain wealth, prosperity and freedom from obstructers, human and non-human.
Make the situations arise that I may practice the Dharma in-depth.

Remain as my Dharma protector and calm interferences. May I be blessed by the
Faultless Shakyamuni, Tsongkhapa and Dromo Geshe in this life and all future lives.
Where there is unhappiness and sufferings, may it quell and be calmed. May I be of
Tremendous benefit to others and a fully enlightened being.

Dear dsiluvu,

Namkar Barzin is not enlightened. I do not know where you read that he is enlightened. Dorje Shugden's main assistant, Kache Marpo, is enlightened as he is said to be one with Hayagriva but not Namkar Barzin (to my knowledge). Namkar Barzin was a hot-headed Mongolian Geshe in his previous live and he passed away in Phari and became a raging spirit.

He killed many people before he had the great fortune to be subdued by Dromo Geshe Rinpoche and placed under the care of Dorje Shugden. Hence, he is still unenlightened and if you read the propitiation text here, it is all about upholding the Dharma and remembering his sworn promise to the great Lama, Dromo Geshe Rinpoche. I think it would be better to propitiate his lord and King , Dorje Shugden unless it is a specific instruction from your Lama. I heard that he is also a fierce guardian of property and great institutions, especially those that benefit others.

That is what I know of Namkar Barzin.

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Re: Prayer to Namkar Barzin... Isn't Dorje Shugden enough?
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2011, 07:01:06 PM »
Why have the lamrim when we already had lama atisha's lamp for the path of enlightenment?

I could only surmise that when the times change, different methods or ways will be more suitable for beings at different periods of time.

Hence in the past others protector were relevant, in these times dorje shugden is more relevant.

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Re: Prayer to Namkar Barzin... Isn't Dorje Shugden enough?
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2011, 07:13:37 PM »
Thank you BU for the clarification! and yes Dharma Space... I suppose DS is definitely most suitable for our times now.

I guess this prayer to Namkar Barzin is probably to request his assistance in areas that are filled with crimes and violence and how appropriate cos from where I come from, u can almost hear gun shots at least 3 times a week. And I do not think it is any luck that my property has been kept safe so far. While my neighbours was robbed in broad day light.

I guess Namkar Barzin is propetiated to help in this way. Is there anymore insightful stories anyone can share about Namkar Barzin?

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Re: Prayer to Namkar Barzin... Isn't Dorje Shugden enough?
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2011, 07:16:41 AM »
The question is something like we have Shakyamuni already why do we need to have lama Tsongkhapa also. This is not to say we cannot benefit from the texts,systems and words from Lord Shakyamuni of course there is benefit.

Can we get enough of beneficial beings, we had Gandhi before , so why do we need Mandela or a being like His Holiness the Dalai Lama? For me to show that though the time has moved on we still need heroes to manifest i this day and age to show it is still possible to live in peace and bring peace to our fellow men.

It still can be done and achieved!

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Re: Prayer to Namkar Barzin... Isn't Dorje Shugden enough?
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2011, 03:22:21 PM »
Isn't Shakyamuni enough? Why have Tsongkapa?
Isn't Yamantaka enough? There's Tara.
Isn't Gelug Guru Tree enough? Why have Kagyu Guru Tree?
Isn't Lam Rim enough? Why study Lamdre?
Isn't Nyingma enough, why have Sakya?
Isn't Panchen Lama enough? Why have Trijang Rinpoche?
Isn't Ratna Shugden enough? Why have Padma Shugden?
Isn't Om Mani Peme Hung enough? Why have Om Mani Peme Hung Hri?
Isn't Kalacakra enough? Why have Heruka?
Isn't Panchen Sonam Drakpa's writings enough? Why have Jamyang Konchok Shepa's texts?

Just some thoughts :) ;).


Why? Affinity. Simples.

And the 84,000 different types of minds that the Buddhas have to appeal to so they have to manifest different forms.

Speaking of invoking Namka Barzin over Kache Marpo, anyone know if there's a praise or prayer invoking Kache Marpo out there?

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Re: Prayer to Namkar Barzin... Isn't Dorje Shugden enough?
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2011, 04:56:23 PM »
Namkar Baezin is also an Enlightened protector that has humbly serve the king Dorje Shugden! There is a prayer to him requesting his help and protection from thievery. If we have Dorje Shugden as our main protector, then is it necessary to also invoke Namkar Barzin? Isn't DS enough??


Invocation to Lord Namkar Barzin

An Invocation to Lord Namkar Barzin

With great faith I take refuge in Lord Shakyamuni Buddha
Who with great self sacrifice perseverance achieved fully,
The peerless Enlightenment under the Bodhi tree in Bodh Gaya,
And with profound compassion turned the wheel of Dharma.

With great reverence I pay heartfelt homage to Lord Tsongkhapa,
Who as an emanation of the Lord of Speech Manjushri,
Took rebirth during the times that Shakyamuni’s teachings
Were on the decline and enacted the deeds of enlightened activities.

I bow to the Great Geshe of Dromo of Phari, who in dependence upon
Hearing, contemplation and meditation relied on the preliminaries
Of Tsongkapa retreat and the secret Mother Queen Vajra Yogini,
Achieved great siddhis and was a tremendous benefit to others.

Great Mongolian Geshe who was diligent and caught in storm returning,
Taunted and made fun of were the causes for you to manifest
‘compassionate’ anger to take on a form of a supreme Dharmapala,
I invoke your swift presence to this place now by the power of my refuge.

You who take on the form of a fully ordained monk holding sword which
Cuts the bonds of our temporal sufferings and difficulties,
Who holds a white skull cup representing that you have mastered tantra,
And who rides on a mystical gyaling as a mount, showing your tantric masteries.

Who rides amid psychic wind, fire and smoke with great speed,
And who has three eyes on the lookout for those in need of protection.
Since the great Mahasiddha of Phari, Dromo Geshe places confidence in you,
So I one with faith but little merit do also.

Please calm down the disturbances, fighting, violence, crime, in this
Region in which you are invoked. Many here are suffering unnecessarily.
Please calm the violence and hostilities here. Protect those without
Help and assistance. Let disturbing violence in this area stop.

Let the population have peace, harmony, prosperity and growth.
I invoke you and request you to be the protector of this region and
Keep a close eye on those who may be the object of crime and thievery.
Please calm the local guardians for they can come under your subjugation.

Have pity and great compassion to the one who is invoking you through
This prayer of request. Although our spiritual attainments are none, we have
Great faith in Lord Buddha and the holy Dharma, so with respect I remind you of the
Oath you have taken with the great Mahasiddha of Phari, Dromo Geshe Rinpoche.

I offer you milk, teas, cakes, biscuits, yoghurts, incense, lights, and various other
Offerings as to make a link with you. Please out of your great compassion, accept
And make this whole area at peace, prosperous and calm. Use your quick powerful
Actions and show immediate protection that is ongoing.

OM BIYADA-PAR DHAMA-DHARA SOHA
(recite as many times as possible)


Please manifest signs to all that are clear and evident of your much needed presence,
Show clear and swift results in helping the suffering of this area.
I invoke you and request you from my heart. You, great Mongol Geshe Namka Barzin,
Protect, protect and show your swift actions for all to witness.

Great Mongol Geshe whose mystical powers have been proven,
Who is known to be swift as wind and extremely fierce, gnawing your lower lip,
Whose reputation to guard the property and wealth of those who place faith in you is famed,
Show special favour to me that I may gain inner and outer accomplishments.

On a personal basis, be my guardian, friend and protector.
Grant me my needs and necessities and may they come easily.
May I gain wealth, prosperity and freedom from obstructers, human and non-human.
Make the situations arise that I may practice the Dharma in-depth.

Remain as my Dharma protector and calm interferences. May I be blessed by the
Faultless Shakyamuni, Tsongkhapa and Dromo Geshe in this life and all future lives.
Where there is unhappiness and sufferings, may it quell and be calmed. May I be of
Tremendous benefit to others and a fully enlightened being.

Dear dsiluvu,

Namkar Barzin is not enlightened. I do not know where you read that he is enlightened. Dorje Shugden's main assistant, Kache Marpo, is enlightened as he is said to be one with Hayagriva but not Namkar Barzin (to my knowledge). Namkar Barzin was a hot-headed Mongolian Geshe in his previous live and he passed away in Phari and became a raging spirit.

He killed many people before he had the great fortune to be subdued by Dromo Geshe Rinpoche and placed under the care of Dorje Shugden. Hence, he is still unenlightened and if you read the propitiation text here, it is all about upholding the Dharma and remembering his sworn promise to the great Lama, Dromo Geshe Rinpoche. I think it would be better to propitiate his lord and King , Dorje Shugden unless it is a specific instruction from your Lama. I heard that he is also a fierce guardian of property and great institutions, especially those that benefit others.

That is what I know of Namkar Barzin.

I agree with what big uncle said here and that is what I learnt about Namkar Barzin too. Actually, he was only placed in the Dorje Shugden Mandala some 70 years ago only.......... and yes he is particularly good in guarding properties and institutions.

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Re: Prayer to Namkar Barzin... Isn't Dorje Shugden enough?
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2011, 08:11:36 AM »
There must be a purpose for Enlightened protectors like Shugden to have entourages. So Namka Barzin must have a purpose and beneficial function, otherwise why join the pack?


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Re: Prayer to Namkar Barzin... Isn't Dorje Shugden enough?
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2011, 06:46:18 PM »
@triesa.... You said only 70 years ago Namkar Barzin (NB) joined the mandala? Do you have a link to some information on this? That means even the monk that manifested himself may be a real person whom has some history on the internet we can hunt down.

I'm sure unenlightened or not, NB is most welcome otherwise he wouldn't be part of Dorje Shugden's entourage.

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Re: Prayer to Namkar Barzin... Isn't Dorje Shugden enough?
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2011, 06:51:50 PM »
There must be a purpose for Enlightened protectors like Shugden to have entourages. So Namka Barzin must have a purpose and beneficial function, otherwise why join the pack?



Im not entirely sure why everyones caught up discussing Namkar Barzins unenlightened status...arent we forgetting Nechung, THE State Oracle of Tibet (you know, the one His Holiness the Dalai Lama relies on for prophesies!!) isnt enlightened either? Come on guys - if Pehar can be subdued by Padmasambava then whats wrong with Dromo Geshe Rinpoche subduing Namka Barzin and placing him in Dorje Shugdens entourage?

Question - if Namka Barzin, Nechung etc are not enlightened, which realm of samsara do they fall under? Because their not spirits, or gods, etc...anyone knows?

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Re: Prayer to Namkar Barzin... Isn't Dorje Shugden enough?
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2011, 09:34:09 PM »
There must be a purpose for Enlightened protectors like Shugden to have entourages. So Namka Barzin must have a purpose and beneficial function, otherwise why join the pack?



Im not entirely sure why everyones caught up discussing Namkar Barzins unenlightened status...arent we forgetting Nechung, THE State Oracle of Tibet (you know, the one His Holiness the Dalai Lama relies on for prophesies!!) isnt enlightened either? Come on guys - if Pehar can be subdued by Padmasambava then whats wrong with Dromo Geshe Rinpoche subduing Namka Barzin and placing him in Dorje Shugdens entourage?

Question - if Namka Barzin, Nechung etc are not enlightened, which realm of samsara do they fall under? Because their not spirits, or gods, etc...anyone knows?

There are many classes of spirit arent there ? So as the origin story goes Domo geshe subdued Namkar Barzin as he was the SPIRIT of a deceased mongolian Geshe.

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Re: Prayer to Namkar Barzin... Isn't Dorje Shugden enough?
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2011, 04:42:13 AM »
There must be a purpose for Enlightened protectors like Shugden to have entourages. So Namka Barzin must have a purpose and beneficial function, otherwise why join the pack?


Hmm... That's thought provoking. There are many, many other unenlightened spirits and ghosts in the entourage of Dorje Shugden. None of them are propitiated separately. In fact, in the Serkyem verses, Namkar Bardzin is offered tea right after Karche Marpo. There seems to be a hierarchy here, Namkar Bardzin seems to be second in command after Karche Marpo. That is quite a high-ranking 'minister' and that must be because of his tremendous potential.

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Re: Prayer to Namkar Barzin... Isn't Dorje Shugden enough?
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2011, 05:56:39 PM »
There must be a purpose for Enlightened protectors like Shugden to have entourages. So Namka Barzin must have a purpose and beneficial function, otherwise why join the pack?



Im not entirely sure why everyones caught up discussing Namkar Barzins unenlightened status...arent we forgetting Nechung, THE State Oracle of Tibet (you know, the one His Holiness the Dalai Lama relies on for prophesies!!) isnt enlightened either? Come on guys - if Pehar can be subdued by Padmasambava then whats wrong with Dromo Geshe Rinpoche subduing Namka Barzin and placing him in Dorje Shugdens entourage?

Question - if Namka Barzin, Nechung etc are not enlightened, which realm of samsara do they fall under? Because their not spirits, or gods, etc...anyone knows?

There are many classes of spirit arent there ? So as the origin story goes Domo geshe subdued Namkar Barzin as he was the SPIRIT of a deceased mongolian Geshe.

Just goes to show, geshe or not, you can still end up in the three lower realms so why be so arrogant in our present lifetime about the knowledge we possess, or about our 'realisations' or 'attainments'? Just takes a split second for us to mess up a lifetimes work...'lucky' for Namka Barzin he had Dromo Geshe Rinpoche about!

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Re: Prayer to Namkar Barzin... Isn't Dorje Shugden enough?
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2011, 06:21:53 PM »
There must be a purpose for Enlightened protectors like Shugden to have entourages. So Namka Barzin must have a purpose and beneficial function, otherwise why join the pack?


Hmm... That's thought provoking. There are many, many other unenlightened spirits and ghosts in the entourage of Dorje Shugden. None of them are propitiated separately. In fact, in the Serkyem verses, Namkar Bardzin is offered tea right after Karche Marpo. There seems to be a hierarchy here, Namkar Bardzin seems to be second in command after Karche Marpo. That is quite a high-ranking 'minister' and that must be because of his tremendous potential.

How interesting this thread has turn out. Thanks for all the wisdom shared. Agree spirit or not NB must have a great purpose and potential to serve the great King and in turn be collecting huge amount of merits that will make him "enlightened" too one day. So NB assists our king, this is already in itself great. With a prayer actually written out above to benefit us, to safe guard our area, surely when we seek Ds's help, who do you think normally come to assist?

Whether or not NB is enlightened, we know for a fact tht NB is part of the entourage we invoke in our prayers...