The book of dead

[dechen]

Hello to everyone, I am swiss, I live in Geneva in switzerland. I am a tulku and I do not care of who are or not. I insist on this point, sometimes. I am trying to acquire the deep experience of bardo-va, at least the one of this life and I was wondering if there is a respectuous traduction of this book in english, cause I wish to try to free myself and maybe other people of the close and terrible footpath of the intermediate state...

[dechen]

And I can add that we know that Dorje Legpa is not a sworn protector...

[Big Uncle]

Dear Dechen,

These are the 3 books that are quite popular these days:-

1. http://www.amazon.com/Tibetan-Book-Dead-Complete-Translation/dp/0143104942/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1311653582&sr=8-2

2. http://www.amazon.com/Tibetan-Book-Dead-Liberation-Shambhala/dp/1590300599/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1311653582&sr=8-3

3. http://www.amazon.com/Tibetan-Book-Living-Dying-International/dp/0062508342/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1311653582&sr=8-4

(1 is the translation of the root text while 2 & 3 are popular English commentaries.)

This text is a terma left by Guru Rinpoche and it holds a particular blessing for the dying. I read somewhere that Kyabje Zong Rinpoche said it would be far better to practice the Dharma (and transform our mind) when alive then to rely on such rituals. The reason he said that was because of the fact that when we are dying, it is an extremely traumatic experience and we would not be able to hold the visualisations described in this text.

Hence, if we practice mind transformation as described in the Lamrim (which contains the full range of topics from the Buddha's complete teachings) , it would help us to control our death and rebirth. This combined with a powerful Protector like Dorje Shugden, visualized as one with our Guru, we would be led to a good rebirth.

As for friends and family who are dying, it would be good to have blessed rice, mani pills or blessed water consecrated by a Lama for the dying or deceased to drink or placed in the mouth. The hair on the crown of the head should be stimulated by tugging it and placed a copy of the Lamrim on the head. If one want to, one can perform rituals like recitation of the Tibetan book of the dead and have a monk or Lama perform Lama Chopa Tsok in dedication to the deceased or dying. If one is devoted to Dorje Shugden, perform his Kangsol and offer golden drink (Serkyem) to him. (the text is downloadable from this website. Recite lots of mantras and blow on the dying/deceased.

[happysun]

The Book Of Dead seem like very very interesting toipc!!! Dead always become a very popular topic between you and me. Why people like to talk about dead????Because all of us scared dead, because dead is unpredictable. This is very common. The Book of Dead like a alarm clock, always wake you up!!!!

[DharmaDefender]

The Book Of Dead seem like very very interesting toipc!!! Dead always become a very popular topic between you and me. Why people like to talk about dead????Because all of us scared dead, because dead is unpredictable. This is very common. The Book of Dead like a alarm clock, always wake you up!!!!

Forgive me I dont mean to be the devils advocate but I dont think any of us are actually truly scared of death. Because if we were properly fearful of death, we wouldnt do half the things we do, or behave the way we do. For example, if we have realised that death is unpredictable and can come at anytime, then we would never speak harshly to a loved one, just in case we die in the next moment and never have the chance to apologise.

I think Buddhists get a rap for being macabre since we talk about death but the critics dont realise talking about death is facing the reality of our situation which is that from the moment you are born, you are already dying.

Anyway link here to a nice teaching on the bardo;

http://www.kbi.com.au/cgi-bin/engine.pl?Page=page.html&Rec=80

THE BARDO
 
An Oral Teaching by
The Late Venerable Dezhung Rinpoche
 
Translated by J. Douglas Rhoton
 
I've been asked to speak today on the doctrine of the after death experience which is known in Tibetan as the Bardo. I realise that this is considered to be something of a special Buddhist doctrine. First of all I would like to put it in its perspective. Lord Buddha, in his effort to communicate the teachings of Enlightenment to beings, taught countless doctrines. It is said that there are 84,000 articles of doctrine expounded by Lord Buddha and that all 84,000 can be assumed into the first teachings he ever gave. That teaching is known as the Four Noble Truths. These four truths are: the truth of suffering, of the causes of suffering, of the cessation of suffering, and of the path. These four truths are the quintessence of all the manifold teachings, doctrines and expositions of Dharma ever given by Lord Buddha. To review them briefly ... the first, the truth of suffering, refers to the pervasivesness of dissatisfaction, of unrest, of mental and physical `die-case', all of which is due to the erroneous belief in a self. When unenlightened minds fall into the error of a belief in a self and go to act on that belief, the mind becomes governed by mental defilements such as desire, aversion, and delusion. Through these mental poisons, as they are called, beings take action. These actions compel them to take rebirth in one or another state of existence upon the round of existence. Briefly this describes both the fact of suffering that beings generate and experience as well as the cause of that unhappiness which is rooted in a mistaken belief in a self when, in fact, there is nothing... no object of knowledge ...that corresponds to that erroneous belief. Lord Buddha then taught the path which leads to liberation. The path consists in training the body, the speech, and the mind in wholesome actions that lead to eventual liberation from not only the experience of pain but also the causes of pain. This path leads to the truth of the cessation of suffering or Nirvana. this is liberation form all suffering and its causes.
 
The teachings on the Bardo also can be correlated to the Four Noble Truths expounded by Lord Buddha. The various fears, the frightening appearances, the illusory experience that consciousness encounters in the after death state can be said to correspond to the first of the Four Noble Truths, the truth of suffering. These appearances and the reactions to them that one subjectively undergoes can be said to have originated in the mental defilements such as the passions of desire, hatred, delusion, pride and the rest as well as from one's own karmic actions, be they good bad or indifferent.
 
In this way they correspond to the second truth, the truth of the cause of suffering. To this way they correspond to the second truth, the truth of the cause of suffering. To repeat that, the suffering of the experiences of the Bardo also arise from karma and karmic activity and mental defilements. Thus they correspond to the truth of the cause of suffering. If one has been fortunate enough to have received the right instructions for meditation, preparation and practice for the after death experiences, those instructions and that meditative preparation and practice can be equated with the third truth, the truth of the path. Finally, if one is also able to practice effectively during the Bardo, recognize those experiences and appearances for what they are, put them on the path and win (through the realization of oneself) that consciousness corresponding to the Sambhogakaya, one can attain Buddhahood right through that Bardo experience. That realisation of Buddhahood during the Bardo state corresponds to the fourth and final Noble Truth, the truth of cessation or liberation from suffering.
 
Now we should try to ascertain the historical source of those special teachings which are known as Bardo doctrine. We know that there are references to the Bardo state, the antarabhave as it is known in Sanskrit, in various Indian texts. We find these primarily in the Abhidharma itself and its commentary, the Abhidharmasamuccaya, as well as in certain of the tantras which belong to the later propagation, the sarma propagation, such as Chakrasamvara, the Hevajra Tantra and several others. But generally speaking we can say that teachings on the Bardo can be divided into two distinct  Tibetan traditions : those of the early propagation or Nyingma, and those of the later propagation. These teachings on the Bardo also vary in that while some of them speak of six Bardo states, others speak of four or even three Bardos. For example, Jetsun Milarepa spoke of six Bardo states. Tlis is also true of the Book of the Dead, well known to Westerners.
 
I realize that the Tibetan Book of the Dead has achieved a certain amount of fame among Western Buddhists. It follows the Nyingma tradition and is similar to another Kagyu tradition based upon a text written by Tashi Tseringma, a great yogi. Both texts speak of six Bardo states. However the six states that both discuss can also be subsumed into the more standard four Bardo states described in sarma tantric literature. These four are: the birth place Bardo, the Bardo of the death experience, the reality Bardo, and the Bardo of becoming which is also called the Bardo of Karmic propensities. In the Tibetan Book of the Dead which has been translated into English and the other text by Tashi Tseringma there are two other Bardos which are called the dream Bardo and the Bardo of meditative absorption, the samten Bardo. These two can, as we said, be subsumed into the first four.
 
Etymologically the word Bardo means the interval between two points. Generally when we say the word Bardo, we think of it as referring to that state in which consciousness finds itself between death and rebirth. Really we are, right now, in this present life also involved in the Bardo. We are undergoing the Bardo of experience or the interval between our last birth and our future death. This is the birth place Bardo. Many of us might not have known that.... it isn't a very popular way of looking at our present life.
 
It's not surprising that we don't recognise the present life as a Bardo... after all, we are the ones in the habit of believing very firmly in a self when actually no self exists and in seeing things as substantial and real when they aren't. So it is hardly surprising that we do not recognize our present human life as being part of the Bardo cycle. Now, understanding that this is the case, we should consider what to do about it. What would be appropriate practice at this stage of the Bardo? First we should be diligent in making the most of the opportunity. We ca do this by learning the Dharma, through receiving instructions from qualified teachers, seeking tantric empowerments and guidance and instructions in meditation (also under qualified teachers), and constantly exercising our minds in mindfulness and recollection that "These are the teachings of Buddhism which I have heard. These are the instructions that my guru has given me for meditation. This is my trusted preceptor. These are his teachings. This is my Yidam (my chosen deity) on whom I am meditating." Further we should develop ourselves in constantly reminding ourselves that all sounds should be heard as the deity's mantra, all thoughts that arise (good, bad and indifferent) should be seen as manifestations of his transcendent wisdom, and all forms should be viewed as the deity's form. If we train ourselves in these practices in this lifetime, our chances of being prepared for the Bardo of becoming, the post-death experience,a re very good. Also our chances of recognising and of knowing what should be done in that Bardo preceding and then immediately following death, wherein the Bardo of the clear light of reality shines forth, are much better. Further, even if one should find oneself in the Bardo of becoming, one's chances of recognising the situation and dealing with it appropriately are much enhanced.
 
                                   
The second Bardo is that of the death experience. It is also called the unhappy Bardo because, at the time death occurs and one is wrenched away from the affairs of this world into a very uncertain insecure state of consciousness, great fear as well as uncertainty, anxiety and apprehension arises for those persons who in their lives had unfortunately committed many unwholesome actions. For those beings, however, who had devoted themselves to wholesome ways  of conduct, the process is not so terrifying. Whereas a sinful mind would be greeted, for instance, by wrathful deities and terrifying apparitions, a virtuous mind would find itself welcomed by the benign experience of the person's own Yidam or protector deities in their benign aspect. It would be a time of great joy....even enthusiasm...for such a person. But the process of death itself comes about when a person's life force separates from the physical body. There are four elements from which the human organism has arisen. At the time of death the elements of earth, water, fire and air begin to become absorbed one into the other, or so it appears to the subjective consciousness undergoing the experience of death.
 
Death itself is usually accompanied by physical debility, pain and helplessness to check the process by medicine or prayers or any other means. It is also accompanied by great mental anxiety, confusion and remorse. For these reasons the subjective experience seems to be accompanied by terrifying apparitions and frightful sounds, a din so noisy in fact that the consciousness finally just swoons away and becomes unconscious for a brief time. Generally this is the way it happens for unprepared beings.
 
Again, as we said, those who are prepared for the Bardo know how to recognise these possesses as they occur and are more or less ready. Here we can see the great value of such preparations as meditation and instruction for practice in the preceding birth place Bardo in helping one's consciousness with each experience as it arises.
 
However the process of death might appear subjectively, from a tantric point of view, what is happening is the red element and the white element which are contained within one's body are merging or coming together. The red element is to have been acquired from one's mother and the white form one' father. The red element is said to reside in the region of the navel while the white is found at the crown of one's head. During the process of death, when the mind is separating from the body, the red element begins to rise up from the navel toward the heart. When that happens, one perceives everything as if it were roseate or as if the sun were shining. One becomes aware of the colour red and everything seems tinged with red. As the white element begins to descend from the crown of the head toward the heart, one similarly perceives everything as being white or as if the moon were shining. These two processes are called the red path and the white path. When these two meet in the heart region, they are called the blackout because here the two have met and merged and one has lost consciousness and entered into a swoon. At that instant of their merging all thought constructs, all attachment and aversion and delusion, all desire anger and ignorance, are checked for a while. Then one enters the next Bardo, the Bardo of the clear light of reality. Here one subjectively perceives the clear light of reality which may also be called ultimate reality. Beings who are unprepared and fail to recognise it for what it is immediately fall unconscious. For a good meditator who has spent a long time in right meditation, however, this experience is a very propitious one. If he does recognize the clear light of reality for what it is, he at once awakens into Buddhahood. But if a being, either through ignorance or for want of sufficient preparation for the clear light experience, falls to recognize this state for what it is, he passes on into the third Bardo: the Bardo of becoming, which is also called the Bardo of karmic propensities.
 
Almost as if one were suddenly awakened, one next becomes aware of many apparitions as decide in the Book of the Dead. There appear apparitions of various deities, the herukas in their wrathful aspect. Their wrathful forms are so terrifying that it is very very difficult to be truly in possession of one's senses and to recognise them for what they are, let alone to have the courage to pray to them. They are extremely fierce and terrifying. Some are as large as mountains and those who are small are of human size. They are of such wrathful aspect that it is very hard for a being to recognise them as emanations or projections of his mind. It often happens that beings pass on here also. If they can recognise these apparitions of deities for what they are, they pass immediately into one of the pure Buddha realms. If however this opportunity is missed, one next becomes aware of the presence of the various Dhyani Buddhas, the Buddha Amitabha and others. These Buddhas appear to one with such tremendous luster that one has difficulty gazing upon them in their radiance.
 
Simultaneously, there appear to one other dimmer lights which are much softer, more inviting, and easier to look at. Often a being will choose to turn toward the dimmer of the lights and away from the brilliant manifestation of the Dhyani Buddhas. If he does this, he will move towards rebirth in one of the realms of worldly existence. Here are examples. If he turns toward the dimmer white light, he will be reborn among the celestials. Moving toward the black light results in rebirth in the hells and the red light, the realm of hungry ghosts.
 
In the Bardo Thodol, the Tibetan Book of the Dead, the various apparitions are said to appear to the consciousness on the first, second or seventh day. It speaks of different apparitions or phenomena as coming on successive days. But it should be understood that it is not speaking of human days of twenty-four hours but rather of meditative days periods of time. They may be, for a good meditator, of considerable length of time and much time might be spent in each of these various stages of the process. If a person, however, is unprepared for the experience, they may be of very short duration..... so short, in fact, that one hardly knows what has happened. From here we pass into the next Bardo state.
 
In the fourth Bardo, the Bardo of becoming, one is now aware that one is in the Bardo and one has separated from the former physical existence and identity. One is faced with the prospects of rebirth. Those whose unfortunate minds are governed by unwholesome propensities and sinful inclinations now are filled with great anxiety and apprehension about their lot in this state and about where they are headed. they are now quite clear about what it was they should have been doing. At this time great regret and great remorse for the bad karma they have accumulated arises. They feel themselves bereft of any hope and are quite helpless due to what are known as the winds of karma which are now propelling them along (due to the strength of their karmic inclinations) toward one rebirth or another. Now they begin to have visions of various places of rebirth. If, for example, he feels himself drawn toward an iron house, then that being is on his way to rebirth in the hells. Should he fancy himself entering a clump of grass, a thatched hut or some sort of foliage or vegetation, he is headed for animal rebirth. If his vision is one of soldiers marching and he moves to join them, he will be reborn among the titans. But if he sees himself entering a very fine mansion, his rebirth will be among the gods or humans.
 
This has been a very brief description of the four Bardo states. It should be stressed that the experience throughout this after death state  is very intense because one is no longer encumbered by the faculties of sense organs, by the distractions of this world, or by deluded notions of the self in a worldly context. All of these distractions that diminish our awareness of our experience are gone and the Bardo appears very stark, intense and clear. One's mind is also, of course, highly concentrated and sensitive to the entire process. Because this is so, if one has the advantage of meditative experience in preparation for the Bardo, it is much easier to respond in a dharmic and meditative and concentrative way and thus to act upon the instructions that one has learned in preparation for the Bardo.
 
This is why I have in my own practice throughout my life tried to concentrate on and to teach the meditation of the Bodhisattva of Great Compassion, Avalokiteshvara. I teach it to all my students because it does provide the most excellent preparation for the Bardo through its twin processes: the process of creation including visualisation, and the process of completion or learning the meditation upon the nature of the mind. I also stress reinforcing that daily practice of meditation with the non-sessional practice in which one tries to recollect all things as manifestations of the deity's body, voice and mind and diligently to turn all the experiences of this life, however mundane they appear, into the path of meditation of great compassion. I feel quite confident that this is the best way to prepare for those four states of the Bardo. I am confident in the blessings of the Bodhisattva of Great Compassion. I am very happy to have had this opportunity to share with you this brief outline of the Bardo doctrine.
 
 
Question & Answer
 
Q1:  What is the nature of the preparation for the Bardo and the clear light Bardo? Is it mainly a practice we do in this life or are there specific instructions which would be possible to remember as we are experiencing the Bardo?
 
A1:  Generally speaking, the practices described during the lecture, for example meditation upon one's deity and other regular meditations are sufficient. There are particular practices such as the six yogas which are taught by the Sakya order and are also found in the teachings of the other Tibetan orders. They are the dream yoga, the yoga of transference of consciousness, the heat yoga, and so on. These are also quite good and helpful. If you have received those instructions and the appropriate major initiations which accompany them, it is very good if you wish to practice them also. if you haven't received those instructions and their initiations and wish to do so, that is something you might consider.
 
Q2:  The Tibetan Book of the Dead gives very specific instructions for dealing with someone who has just died. The body is not to be moved, etc. This may not be possible in the settings where beings are not aware of the teachings such as modern hospitals. With that in mind how should one do for someone who is dying or has just died?
 
A2:  In accord with the beliefs about the after death state Tibetan Buddhists have the custom of not disposing of the body for a number of days...three to seven days at the most. The reason for this is that since Tibetans are loath to take the life of any living being, they want to be sure, first of all, that the consciousness will not return and the body revive. It is known that among meditators it sometimes happens that, at the time of what appears to others as his death, he enters into a state of deep meditative absorption from which he might possibly return. Or in any case he might not be fully dead. So until it is quite certain that he has absolutely parted with his body and entered into the Bardo, Tibetans want to be very careful in disposing of the body.       
 
       For non-meditators however it usually happens that the consciousness parts from the body almost immediately, even with the last breath that is exhaled. Here there is a total separation of body and mind and that concern does not apply. but even then usually for three days the corpse is kept in the house. During that time blessings and prayers are invoked to help the departed consciousness. the name of the Buddha is recited over and over in the presence of the corpse, prayers for his guidance and auspicious rebirth or liberation are recited again and again. In these ways efforts are made to help the being through the traumatic experiences in the Bardo states. Where it is possible among non-Buddhists or in a non-Buddhist environment to observe any of those, of course, it is desirable. At least from our point of view any or all should be practiced.
 
Q3:  What happens to someone who dies abruptly without warning and with no chance to prepare for the Bardo?
 
A3:  Any of us can be hit by a car suddenly but it still remains the case that a person who has prepared himself for the Bardo will not find himself at a loss, whenever and however the experience arises.
 
Q4:  Rinpoche mentioned that throughout the after death experience there is what you termed an intense texture to the phenomenological thing there. Would Rinpoche tell us if there is any way we could acquaint ourselves with this sensitive state before leaving our bodies at death? Are there any gaps or anything we could refer ourselves to? Would Rinpoche shed some light on this?
 
A4:  There too, meditation is the answer because it is still the mind whether it is an allegedly more intense or less intense experience in this life or in the post-death experience. It is still mind which undergoes the experience. So the more you meditate and learn right meditation in this life, the more you will be prepared for any eventuality in the Bardo. As we mentioned earlier, this present state is also a Bardo.
 
Q5:  What can we do to be able to recognise the clear light experience when it dawns ?
 
A5:  Again, you should meditate very diligently and should daily practice the stages of meditation, first concentration and then insight meditation. If you do these, you ill proceed with no problem and will be quite prepared for the dawning of the clear light.
 
Q6:  Does Rinpoche recognise psychedelic experiences as being analogus to or at least capable of producing Bardo experiences ?
 
 
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This discourse was delivered by the Venerable Dezhung Rinpoche at the request of Jetsun Sakya Center on 19 November 1977 at the American Buddhist Academy in New York City. It was translated by Ngawang Sonam Tenzin, transcribed by the American Buddhist Kunga Tendzin and prepared for publication by Dechen Zangmo.

[dsiluvu]

The Book Of Dead seem like very very interesting toipc!!! Dead always become a very popular topic between you and me. Why people like to talk about dead????Because all of us scared dead, because dead is unpredictable. This is very common. The Book of Dead like a alarm clock, always wake you up!!!!

Forgive me I dont mean to be the devils advocate but I dont think any of us are actually truly scared of death. Because if we were properly fearful of death, we wouldnt do half the things we do, or behave the way we do. For example, if we have realised that death is unpredictable and can come at anytime, then we would never speak harshly to a loved one, just in case we die in the next moment and never have the chance to apologise.

I think Buddhists get a rap for being macabre since we talk about death but the critics dont realise talking about death is facing the reality of our situation which is that from the moment you are born, you are already dying.

This is an interesting topic indeed! Yup u are right DD... we actually don't fear death. We only know it by theory but to actualise it internally, I for one have not I must admit.

The meditation on death does have effects and is quite gross to imagine your body in a coffin, slowly rotting away, and so how many of us can say we do this daily. If we do, we definitely would have transformed... talking about myself here.

But this topic here is a good reminder that perhaps I need to start meditating on death especially when I am feeling down, angry and frustrated with anything that happens during the day.

If you knew you were dying tomorrow, what would be the first thing you would do different?

[DharmaDefender]

The Book Of Dead seem like very very interesting toipc!!! Dead always become a very popular topic between you and me. Why people like to talk about dead????Because all of us scared dead, because dead is unpredictable. This is very common. The Book of Dead like a alarm clock, always wake you up!!!!

Forgive me I dont mean to be the devils advocate but I dont think any of us are actually truly scared of death. Because if we were properly fearful of death, we wouldnt do half the things we do, or behave the way we do. For example, if we have realised that death is unpredictable and can come at anytime, then we would never speak harshly to a loved one, just in case we die in the next moment and never have the chance to apologise.

I think Buddhists get a rap for being macabre since we talk about death but the critics dont realise talking about death is facing the reality of our situation which is that from the moment you are born, you are already dying.

This is an interesting topic indeed! Yup u are right DD... we actually don't fear death. We only know it by theory but to actualise it internally, I for one have not I must admit.

The meditation on death does have effects and is quite gross to imagine your body in a coffin, slowly rotting away, and so how many of us can say we do this daily. If we do, we definitely would have transformed... talking about myself here.

But this topic here is a good reminder that perhaps I need to start meditating on death especially when I am feeling down, angry and frustrated with anything that happens during the day.

If you knew you were dying tomorrow, what would be the first thing you would do different?

Actually the only reason why you find it gross is because your fixated on the fact you exist as a permanent entity...you know, unchanging, perfect, clean-smelling etc. If we consider that we are born with one foot in the coffin and are actually already rotting, its really not that bad. Of course, I say "its not that bad" not from the basis that I do death meditation...just thinking that once you become accustomed to the idea, its probably not so bad afterall...guess youd say its inferential logic ?

But yeah if your a practitioner of death meditation, life doesnt really bother you so much anymore. I mean, whats there to be bothered about if your going to die anyway, and at death none of this stuff matters?

If I were dying tomorrow, Id probably start realising that every second of my life and every breath does count for something, and I could be doing something useful...and Id probably be doing a lot of pujas and requesting for powa (or summit similar!)!

[Big Uncle]

Actually the only reason why you find it gross is because your fixated on the fact you exist as a permanent entity...you know, unchanging, perfect, clean-smelling etc. If we consider that we are born with one foot in the coffin and are actually already rotting, its really not that bad. Of course, I say "its not that bad" not from the basis that I do death meditation...just thinking that once you become accustomed to the idea, its probably not so bad afterall...guess youd say its inferential logic ?

But yeah if your a practitioner of death meditation, life doesnt really bother you so much anymore. I mean, whats there to be bothered about if your going to die anyway, and at death none of this stuff matters?

If I were dying tomorrow, Id probably start realising that every second of my life and every breath does count for something, and I could be doing something useful...and Id probably be doing a lot of pujas and requesting for powa (or summit similar!)!

Death meditation's purpose is not just to be accustomed to the gross feelings of our own rotting body. It's main purpose is to change our mindset. We will know that our reflections and meditations on death is successful when we feel an 'urgency' towards spiritual endeavors, forgiving, letting go of a grudge, appreciating people around us, changing our habits and so forth.

The meditations is not to make us feel nonchalant about problems and difficulties. It is actually the opposite, successful meditation on death makes us take our responsibilities towards others seriously and we do our utmost best to fulfill it. The reason for this change of mind is simple, when we 'realize' that death is imminent, we do our best to appreciate people around us and our little petty hangups that we held on to, isn't worth hanging on too as we have to face death and by that time, we have no choice but to give up everything.

[DharmaDefender]

Death meditation's purpose is not just to be accustomed to the gross feelings of our own rotting body. It's main purpose is to change our mindset. We will know that our reflections and meditations on death is successful when we feel an 'urgency' towards spiritual endeavors, forgiving, letting go of a grudge, appreciating people around us, changing our habits and so forth.

The meditations is not to make us feel nonchalant about problems and difficulties. It is actually the opposite, successful meditation on death makes us take our responsibilities towards others seriously and we do our utmost best to fulfill it. The reason for this change of mind is simple, when we 'realize' that death is imminent, we do our best to appreciate people around us and our little petty hangups that we held on to, isn't worth hanging on too as we have to face death and by that time, we have no choice but to give up everything.

Fair point! Its like an extended version of that marriage lesson I read recently - dont go to bed angry because you dont know if you or the person next to you will wake up! What would happen then? Would your argument cease to matter, and would you regret never being able to say sorry, or would you be glad you 'won'?

[dechen]

Aah... Yes that's a terma by guru rinpoche ! To be right when translating "The Book of Dead" we should translate it by "the Book of Death(s)?" or "The Book of Dead(s)?" or "The Book of Dead Padmasambhava" or "The Book of Death(s) of Padmasambhava" ? Sorry if I didnt read all content of your replies, I dont read fluent english.

[Big Uncle]

Aah... Yes that's a terma by guru rinpoche ! To be right when translating "The Book of Dead" we should translate it by "the Book of Death(s)?" or "The Book of Dead(s)?" or "The Book of Dead Padmasambhava" or "The Book of Death(s) of Padmasambhava" ? Sorry if I didnt read all content of your replies, I dont read fluent english.

Dechen,

it is called Bardo Thodol by the Tibetans and this is translated as "Liberation Through Hearing During the Intermediate State". It was composed in the 8th century by Padmasambhava, written down by his primary student, Yeshe Tsogyal, buried in the Gampo hills in central Tibet and subsequently discovered by a Tibetan terton, Karma Lingpa in the 12th century. There were variants of this book among different sects.

[dsiluvu]

Actually the only reason why you find it gross is because your fixated on the fact you exist as a permanent entity...you know, unchanging, perfect, clean-smelling etc. If we consider that we are born with one foot in the coffin and are actually already rotting, its really not that bad. Of course, I say "its not that bad" not from the basis that I do death meditation...just thinking that once you become accustomed to the idea, its probably not so bad afterall...guess youd say its inferential logic ?

But yeah if your a practitioner of death meditation, life doesnt really bother you so much anymore. I mean, whats there to be bothered about if your going to die anyway, and at death none of this stuff matters?

If I were dying tomorrow, Id probably start realising that every second of my life and every breath does count for something, and I could be doing something useful...and Id probably be doing a lot of pujas and requesting for powa (or summit similar!)!

Death meditation's purpose is not just to be accustomed to the gross feelings of our own rotting body. It's main purpose is to change our mindset. We will know that our reflections and meditations on death is successful when we feel an 'urgency' towards spiritual endeavors, forgiving, letting go of a grudge, appreciating people around us, changing our habits and so forth.

The meditations is not to make us feel nonchalant about problems and difficulties. It is actually the opposite, successful meditation on death makes us take our responsibilities towards others seriously and we do our utmost best to fulfill it. The reason for this change of mind is simple, when we 'realize' that death is imminent, we do our best to appreciate people around us and our little petty hangups that we held on to, isn't worth hanging on too as we have to face death and by that time, we have no choice but to give up everything.

Thanks BU... this is an area that could be quite dangerous misinterpreted if unexplained proper. I know of many who talk about death very comfortable and they are also extremely comfortable being comfortable with their nonchalant life simply because death is inevitable, so they learn. There is a lot of cults out there these days that do preach such subjects but the objective and methods are very different and some uses their teaching to manipulate the situation to suite their desire... this is quite scary especially when we hear stories of people giving up their "life" for the sake of their "believes". So glad to know in Buddhism there is always logic behind everything we do and the goal is to always achieve something positive.   

[dechen]

Death...

Yes, death.

One of the most important wheel in these degenerate times.

Death is sacred, death is precious.

This is the most important terma in the story of tantric buddhism...

Knowing death is far better to know anything else...

Are tantric buddhists sectators ?

Brr... it freezes me... sectators... dogma, doctrine, protectors, yidams, dakinis, gurus, etc.

All of this seems at last someway complicated...

[Barzin]

Yes, I guess there are many who said that they are not afraid of death but actually they do.  Because they think that whatever they can hold on to now can last forever.  They look at their parents and think that they will be like them anyways.  It is not so bad after all.  Many of us didn't realize that whatever we see now might not be what we imagine it to be later in life.  We are all subject to our own karma.  It differs from one person to another, we might think that we can control tomorrow but in actually fact we can't.

Therefore the only thing we can control is our mind.  Death meditation is a powerful meditation.  It is said in the Lam Rim, if we meditate on death we can gain some realizations and realize that our life is indeed precious and we shouldn't hang on to impermanence.  It is also a way to make us cherish what we have and accept the ultimate truth - death.

Scary as it can be, we all can't run away from death one way or another.  This is indeed an interesting topic and i shall read up more on this...