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Surprising speech by Samdhong Rinpoche
« on: July 24, 2011, 10:36:32 AM »
Hey everyone, I just saw there's a couple of new videos up on the video section (here http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?cat=8)

There's one that's specially interesting, a new speech by Samdhong Rinpoche. I don't know how to embed the video in here directly but i urge everyone to please go and have a look at the video here and come back to discuss: http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=8656

What a turn of perspective. I have also been very guilty of thinking how "bad" Samdhong Rinpoche has been for upholding the ban and allowing all this suffering for DS practitioners. He has gotten so much slack and bad press for all his policies and actions regarding Tibet's relations with China, with the ban, with Tibetan independence etc Now we see how everything he has done (no matter how bad WE THINK it seems on the outside) has been an expression of his total devotion to his teacher, Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche. How compassionate these lamas are to suffer so much purely with the motivation of helping others.

He is daring and courageous for making this speech, which does infer that he wasn't serving the Dalai Lama directly but doing it as a fulfilment of his commitments to his own root guru. But it is also said with much humility and such deep reverence for his teacher. It is very simple yet deeply profound guru devotion, like the masters of old who allowed themselves to go through so much difficulty just to serve their teachers and fulfil their dharma instructions.

I don't think Trijang Rinpoche would have been so stupid to advice his own student to "give up everything", including the very practices he conferred to him. I also don't think Dalai Lama is so stupid as to not know all this. I think more and more, with evidence like this, that there must be some bigger reason for this.

Also, the commentary under the video explains that Samdhong Rinpoche is recognised as a Shugden incarnation! I did not know this. If this is in fact true, it wouldn't be logical that Shugden would be out there "destroying" his own practice. In fact, we think instead of how compassionate he is that he would allow himself to go through so much negativity and difficulties, destroying "himself", and having so many people hate him - both tibetans and non-tibetans. Why would a high lama - a supreme incarnation of Shugden himself! - be doing all this if not to create some benefit for others??

There is a lot of connections to be made here - especially with Trijang Rinpoche, who is known to have prophesised the current conflict and who has been instrumental in teaching so many of the greatest lamas, passing on almost all the practices we are still doing today. Trijang Rinpoche has advised us in his texts, as a prophecy, not to take sides in what may seem like an outward conflict, but to be patient and things will be okay. Now, we learn that he has advised one of the most key people in the Tibetan Govt in exile to sacrifice and give up everything to serve the very govt that all of us now criticise. Samdhong Rinpoche is outwardly seemingly "destroying" DS practice by the advice of his teacher - is this contradictory? Perhaps not quite...  So much can be linked back to the ban being not just a ban but as something meant to bring this protector further up, make him greater, fan the fires for something huge to arise.

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Re: Surprising speech by Samdhong Rinpoche
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2011, 03:03:14 PM »
I'm completely gobsmacked.

Total respect to Samdhong Rinpoche for such Guru Devotion and being so humble and candid about it. Do watch the video - there's a few slides of the English translation of what Samdhong Rinpoche is saying.

The fact that HH Trijang Rinpoche told Samdhong Rinpoche to follow HH Dalai Lama without question and that Samdhong Rinpoche did fully, shows that HH Trijang Rinpoche must have known that Samdhong Rinpoche would have had to denounce Dorje Shugden. Yet Trijang Rinpoche instructed it. This is another piece of the "Bigger Picture" puzzle, which says that the ban on Shugden must be for a greater reason.

This speech explains why Samdhong Rinpoche, who was known for doing huge Shugden pujas at the monastery, suddenly did an about turn and condemn Shugden. He was merely following his Guru's instruction - above everything else.

Thank you for sharing this video and the translation.
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Re: Surprising speech by Samdhong Rinpoche
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2011, 03:55:09 PM »
What a powerful teaching on guru devotion by Samdhong Rinpoche. Who would have guest, that this seemingly political figure, who "carried out" the instructions of HHDL was actually serving his root master.

Samdhong Rinpoche displayed such complete faith and honesty. If he wanted to be on the good side of HHDL and played politics, then revealing his true intention would have defeated his objectives. My respect to Samdhong Rinpoche for not being affected by being in position of power but kept his word of honour to his guru.

I am quite sure that we will continue to see such twist and turns in the near future from other seemingly people from HHDL's camp. It is hard to believe that Samdhong Rinpoche is the only one with such motivation.

So the big question is, if HHDL is so bad, why would Samdhong Rinpoche, Trijang Rinpoche go all out to support HHDL? Are they right or wrong,....or are we the ones not seeing the whole HHDL Dorje Shugden play correctly?

As we watch the play, it is truly best to keep Trijang Rinpoche's advice to not take sides!

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Re: Surprising speech by Samdhong Rinpoche
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2011, 08:31:49 PM »
Wow! Dorje Shugden compassionately emanates as a Lama who would be placed to assist the Dalai Lama to ban himself! I am not clairvoyant to see if he is or not but Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche and Gangchen Rinpoche definitely are clairvoyant to see this. However, his powerful and honest Guru devotion amidst his own obvious faith in Dorje Shugden is painfully obvious.

He toiled in silence as so many people have hurled nasty remarks about him and he still does everything so convincingly. His devotional qualities can only be of how Dorje Shugden would have been in the form of a Lama. His pure Guru devotion would mean that the ban he had worked so hard will be a blessing. It will have the effect that will spread Dorje Shugden practice farther and wider because it was born out of pure Guru devotion regardless of how it may have appeared in the past. Alas, we have discovered another disguised hero of Dorje Shugden, a hero we mistook for a villain. How degenerate our times are!

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Re: Surprising speech by Samdhong Rinpoche
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2011, 01:42:57 PM »
OMG! OMG! OMG!

This is the first time that Samdhong Rinpoche's speech has brought tears to my eyes.
It is very clear indeed where his loyalties lie and how deeply devoted he is to His Guru, Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche.

The following words from his speech truly MOVED me immensely - source: http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=8656

Samdhong Rinpoche also said:

1. A person who has entered the Mahayana must serve the guru by body speech and mind according to the 9 attitudes of Guru Devotion. One has offered one’s body, speech and mind to the guru, so one must fulfill the instructions of one’s lama all the way. You do not ‘own’ your body, speech and mind anymore.

2. Also never  say you cannot do it before you even started the work; instead, you should do it and complete the job well and then say you cannot do it. The point? Just do what you have been instructed by the teacher.

What Samdhong Rinpoche says here infers clearly he is not doing any work for the Dalai Lama in actuality but only to fulfill the orders of his root guru Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche. Powerful guru devotion.

It makes sense. If Samdhong Rinpoche ‘was’ a great practitioner of Shugden and he gave up Shugden to work for the Dalai Lama, then he IS following the instructions of his lama, contrary to popular criticisms.

During the opening of Shar Gaden Monastery in South India in 2010, a senior monk Geshe Konchok Gyeltsen mentioned clearly that the previous Trijang Rinpoche had openly and decisively confirmed that Samdhong Rinpoche is an incarnation of Dorje Shugden. His Eminence Gangchen Rinpoche further confirms this.

This video shows clearly where Samdhong Rinpoche’s loyalties lie.


Everyone should read this whole speech and take the time to ponder about the BIGGER PICTURE theory.
This is another proof that we do not know what truly goes on behind the scenes and what has been communicated between Guru and disciple.
The Gurus such as Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche obviously has some bigger plans in mind by giving special specific instructions to different students.
Everyone of us as students has a role to play and if we really adhere to our Guru's advice, we'll not give up.
We will carry out every instruction and duty to the best of our ability because every act create causes for something much bigger to take place.

I am very happy to witness this in my lifetime. It gives me so much hope and cements deeper faith in our Protector and all the great Lamas of past and present. They are all returning for a reason because the real work is about to take off.

The time of the Protector is indeed here and now.

 
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Re: Surprising speech by Samdhong Rinpoche
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2011, 03:42:19 PM »
Wow thanks beggar, it goes to show that beings with perfect guru devotion to their lamas still exist amongst us.

To have opposed the very practice that one's guru has propitiated is no easy task. Wel asl time goes by we see more and more signs of Dorje Shugden getting more and more support from all over. For me it is a sign of things turning in favour of Dorje Shugden.


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Re: Surprising speech by Samdhong Rinpoche
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2011, 03:48:31 PM »
The changing of the guard... Is coming true now.

First the Gaden Tripa retires then jumps camp to Shar Gaden. Then this.

I must admit I was one of the first to become judge jury and executioner of HHDL's henchman, now turned golden child. Very embarassing and I also believe some negative Karma to think this way of a Rinpoche.

For those who find it difficult to read between the lines and who require it spelt out, Samdong Rinpoche served HHDL, TGIE, The Tibetan people, NOT for ANY other reason than to SERVE his Guru, H.H. Trijang Rinpoche.

He can't come out and say openly that he doesn't support what HHDL / TGIE is doing, he alludes to it heavily.

Why now? What will the ramifications of this announcement mean for the current environment for Shugdenites vs The Rest?

I agree with you @Helena, we shall see the outcome in our very lifetime for sure!

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Re: Surprising speech by Samdhong Rinpoche
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2011, 04:36:34 PM »
Amazing, Slowly all the pieces seem to be connecting together!!! The bigger picture yes indeed.

We were so quick to judge even high lamas, so quick to condemn and so quick to pint the finger. I for one can admit that Samdhong Rinpoche did not paint a good impression in me before but what I am glad is that I did not go out that and criticize him.

Samdhong Rinpoche's words is truly going to shock and rock so many. This is pure Guru Devotion right in front of us and to know he is an incarnation of DS shows how DS truly is enlightened being that upholds the Dharma. How many would be able to do this... to lie a white lie for the sake of following your Guru's instructions. These are true Boddhisattvas in action, like peacocks they feed on the poisons of samsara only to appear more beautiful each time. So much for us to learn!

Yes indeed if we follow Trijang Rinpoche's advice clear advice, to not take sides, to not even criticise the Dalai Lama but remain calm and firm in our practice of Guru Devotion. Trijang Rinpoche who predicted long before all this hoo haa ban began, now we can see how all things are just an illusory play!

Things surely are taking a different spin now. Seems like the truth will slowly reveal it self... we just need to trust and be patient :)

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Re: Surprising speech by Samdhong Rinpoche
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2011, 06:50:02 AM »
If we listen to the blessed speech of Professor Samdhong Rinpoche, in actuality he has not given up on Shugden ever. From day one he has practiced Guru Devotion to a tea. Incredibly beautiful.

HH Trijang Rinpoche would know clearly to serve HH Dalai Lama, Samdhong Rinpoche would have to 'give up' Shugden. Even knowing so he asked Samdhong Rinpoche to SACRIFICE EVERYTHING to serve Dalai Lama. Samdhong Rinpoche complied completely.

Samdhong Rinpoche clearly said he did his work in order to fulfill the command of his root guru -simple and straightforward. He did not do his work to serve the Dalai Lama at all. He is indeed very daring to say such a thing. It seems like he is treading a 'thin line' as the saying goes by being so open and clear where his loyalties lie.

Again, like HH Gaden Trisur Rinpoche, Samdhong Rinpoche has shown CLEARLY where his loyalites are. His loyalty is with HH Trijang Rinpoche full stop. In fact by serving Dalai Lama, Shugden should bless/assist Samdhong Rinpoche even more. The bigger picture is manifesting clearer now. As the Dalai Lama ages and before he has even passed away, the lamas who practice Shugden are speaking up in one way or another. Very encouraging.

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Re: Surprising speech by Samdhong Rinpoche
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2011, 08:06:04 AM »
Oh, how surprising !

Today, my neighbors all met together. They were very excited.
For a very good reason. You see something unheard of happened...
For the very first time, a new form of practice will be available.

It's such an earth-shaking scoop that you had better be seated
before reading on, or I fear someone could accidentally lose the use
of his legs...

Our "rich, powerful and much admired by the community" neighbor
had the extraordinary skill to find for us a new way of practicing Dharma:
 
Using critical thinking is not anymore requested

From now on, if we have any doubt about anything a single answer will
be sufficient for anything thrown our way:

"it's like that because our 'rich, powerful and much admired by the community'
neighbor said "it's like that".


How surprising ! And Je Tsonkhapa who had to do all those unbelievable practices.
Today, it's incredibly easier, me thinks...

The kids are so happy - Immunity granted

When I came back home, kids were stoning my house.
Nothing special, you know, it happens each time our
"rich, powerful and much admired by the community"
neighbor expounds to them his new system of practice.

Here they all call me the "old-fashioned" one or the one
who refuses to think like all of us.

I tried to speak with the kids, but they laughed out loud.
Our "rich, powerful and much admired by the community"
neighbor granted all of them immunity since they adopted
his new kind of practice.

You see life tremendously changed for them, they are so
happy: from now on, they will not have to face any
consequence for their acts.

Our "rich, powerful and much admired by the community"
neighbor has promised that he will take upon himself all
the karmic consequences of their acts.

If only I could obtain such a deal for myself.
Unbelievable...

Elixir of immortality

Tonight I went again to the woods and I met an old original who spent years alone in solitude.
He wishes to find the Elixir of immortality and searches tirelessly.
He had very big news for me: he doesn't need to search anymore, our "rich, powerful and much
admired by the community" neighbor has found it.

It works like that:

Until now, for the old-fashioned ones,

Bad speech, calumnies directed towards someone are like blessings, long life ceremonies for this person.
Being subjected to them clears obstacles, eliminates bad karma. If one keeps patience while being subjected
to those forms of abuse, it greatly increases the merits and thus contributes to increase one's life span.

Very simple: one doesn't need to ask for them, one doesn't need to pay for them, one doesn't even need
to know that it is happening. In any case he will benefit from it.

So one should really rejoice if he has to exert patience when subjected to harm.

But there is a big problem : of course, the poor being who is doing such deeds is putting himself in exactly the reverse position. Frightening !

From now on,  the new practice of our "rich, powerful and much admired by the community" neighbor:

Thanks to his newly found practice, as his disciples don't have to face the karmic consequences of their
acts, thanks to the immunity graciously granted by our neighbor, logically everyone will benefit from
the forms of abuse mentionned above, the person who is doing the bad deeds as well as the one who is
subjected to harm. Death is old news: now it will be almost impossible to die.

Big problem resolved: this way, he has really found the famed elixir of immortality

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Re: Surprising speech by Samdhong Rinpoche
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2011, 02:10:38 PM »
Here is spiritual advice from two tenants of the "new" form of practice:

“Now, without fear and hesitation, we, Tibetans, must fight and destroy Shugden followers”

Samdhong Rinpoche

“Those who worship Dholgyal are taken care of by the Chinese government. It would be best if they returned to where they are cared for. There is no reason for them to live here. Do you understand?”

HH the 14th Dalai Lama

Spiritual advice from a tenant of the "old-fashioned" form of practice

Sectarianism turns the pure Dharma into poison. Through it, one accumulates great sin. In this life one will be frustrated in one's own Dharma efforts. Upon death, one will fall into hell as swiftly as an arrow shot from a bow. These are the consequences of spending a lifetime in rejecting others' spiritual efforts on such narrow-minded grounds.

Deshung Rinpoche

One who despises another Buddhist school despises the Buddha. He impairs the transmission of the Dharma. The presence of the Dharma is jeopardized by such an attitude, and one becomes cut off from its transmission. This is so because one's refuge vows are based upon reliance on the Enlightened One, His Teachings, and the Holy Community. If one rejects Dharma one breaks one's refuge vow and thereby becomes cut off from the Dharma. By rejecting this Dharma that is the only door to happiness for beings and oneself, one accumulates inexhaustible sin.

Deshung Rinpoche

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Re: Surprising speech by Samdhong Rinpoche
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2011, 02:49:02 PM »
For me, the whole point about Samdhong Rinpoche's speech is that it shows that what looks superficially negative, ie Samdhong Rinpoche's consistent and vehement attack on Shugden, is actually positive when I see the motivation and intent behind his stance, which is that he was merely practising Guru devotion to HH Trijang Rinpoche. Let's just look at that and realise that Samdhong Rinpoche did not break samaya with his protector or his Guru despite the outward actions. This is a good lesson for us to not judge others, especially armed with our flawed and limited perceptions. If we can presume to judge another attained being when we are not attained ourselves, does it merely reflect on the size of our egos?
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Re: Surprising speech by Samdhong Rinpoche
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2011, 02:55:45 PM »
If someone "fights and destroy Dorje Shugden's followers", wishing to apply a so-called spiritual advice, he is not merely acting
wrongly in a superficial way:

Dharma is Dharma
This isn't Dharma.

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Re: Surprising speech by Samdhong Rinpoche
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2011, 03:14:36 PM »
Wisdombeing,

And now if you meet Samdhong Rinpoche and he tells you:

“Now, without fear and hesitation,you,Wisdombeing, must fight and destroy Shugden followers”

Do you think you will have to exert some critical thinking ?

Or do you merely think: "If I presume to judge another attained being when I am nott attained myself, 
it will merely reflect on the size of my ego. So I have to follow his advice without any form of critical thinking.

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Re: Surprising speech by Samdhong Rinpoche
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2011, 05:17:59 PM »


Samdhong Rinpoche clearly said he did his work in order to fulfill the command of his root guru -simple and straightforward. He did not do his work to serve the Dalai Lama at all. He is indeed very daring to say such a thing. It seems like he is treading a 'thin line' as the saying goes by being so open and clear where his loyalties lie.



Talking about treading a "thin line"...will Samdhong Rinpoche now be black listed by TGIE?I doubt it.

I am very much looking forward to TGIE moving on to other more pressing issues than persecuting Dorje Shugden and his followers.