CAN ORDAINED NUNS ACT THIS WAY?

[Zhalmed Pawo]

Sorry to nitpick here as well, but the "nuns" in question are not nuns. They are female householders.

All vinayaesque ordained (as opposed to tantresque ordained) Tibetans are ordained by the Sarvastivada system, and in that system, no lineage of nuns were transmitted into Tibet from India. Therefore there are no Sarvstivada Nuns, or no "Tibetan nuns".

They might be worthy practitioners, or worthy shugden-bashers, but nuns they are not. They might be afforded the status of being a nun, by their supporting communities, but there is no point in holding them up to the Vinaya as that has nothing to do with them, their being householders.

[DharmaSpace]

The August 2007 International Congress on Buddhist Women's Role in the Sangha, with the support of H. H. XIVth Dalai Lama, reinstated the Gelongma (Dharmaguptaka vinaya bhikkhuni) lineage, having been lost, in India and Tibet, for centuries. Gelongma ordination requires the presence of ten fully ordained people keeping exactly the same vows. Because ten nuns are required in order to ordain a new one, the effort to establish the Dharmaguptaka bhikkhu tradition has taken a long time.
It is permissible for a Tibetan nun to receive bhikkhuni ordination from another living tradition, e.g. in Vietnam. Based on this, Western nuns ordained in Tibetan tradition, like Thubten Chodron, took full ordination in another tradition.
The ordination of monks and nuns in Tibetan Buddhism distinguishes three stages rabjung-ma, getshül-ma and gelong-ma. The clothes of the nuns in Tibet are basically the same as those of monks, but there are differences between novice and gelong robes.

You can have nuns right?

Well if they broke a few vows and hold the rest they are still a lot more vows than the most of us. So I wouldn't be so easy to criticise them. 

[michaela]

Dear Triesa

I suppose, if we were Ajahn Brahm. We would have said that we would call someone to clean the mess left by the nuns hahaha... 

I love Ajahn Brahm, although he came from a different Buddhist tradition.  He sticks his effort to what really matters.  For example, he went against his own tradition and ordained nuns because in the Buddhist teachings there are nothing against ordaining nuns.  Not to mention his teachings are very entertaining and full of great contents

So is Master Cheng Yen from Tzu Chi - also from another Buddhist tradition.  She does not respond to her critiques much because she said she does not have time - she preoccupies herself with things that are really matters.




 

[Gabby Potter]

Oh dear, I'm at shocked! How could sanghas do this? By them doing this, it has shown that they did not hold their practise well I'm sorry to say this. What did Lord Dorje Shugden ever do to them? What DID HE DO? Nothing but to help and benefit the world.

[angelica]

Whether nun or not nun, they have no right to destroy the DS statue. As a Buddhist, they should have respect for others and the freedom to choose one's religion. The act of the nuns have disgrace the HHDL. Dalai Lama ban the practice, but supporters of HHDL destroyed DS practitioner's property, caused harm and suffering to others. Where is the peace a Buddhist searching for? Where is the love and compassion of a Buddhist? If this continue, how many more times we wish to go through rebirth and stay in samsara? We don't have much time.  HHDL, please seriously consider lifting the ban ASAP, so that DS practitioners can do their practice in peace and with no fear.

[psylotripitaka]

They can and do act this way, but according to many people in this forum 'such things are ok because it makes Dorje Shugden internationally popular and is the skillful means of Buddha Chenrezig'.

[rossoneri]

I am sure the act of destroying is NOT a teaching by the Buddha. Moreover it is a holy object simply because the HHTDL have ban the practice of Dorje Shugden which whatever His reason might be we as a Buddhist who supposed to understand the Middle Way and should not behaving in this uncivilized manner.

As a Buddhist even we do not agree with the others faith or believe we should not or do not act in this ugly manner.

[grandmapele]

Sounds like the nuns were more bent on pleasing the Dalai Lama than thinking and acting along the guidelines of the dharma. Om mani padme hum