LAMA ZOPA WORSHIPS AT TRIJANG RINPOCHE'S STUPA (good or bad?)

[whitelion]

Very nice to see the one of the most influential of our time is getting better with his health. Lama Zopa Rinpoche worships at HH Kyabje Trijang Dorje Chang's stupa show clearly his faith towards his own lama or a great Gelug lineage master.

Lama Yeshe and HH Kyabeje Zong Rinpoche are also very important guru to Lama Zopa Rinpoche. I'm don't understand why Lama Zopa Rinpoche decided to "declare clean", yet all his main gurus are DS practitioner. But Lama Zopa Rinpoche will never create disharmony within Gelugpa, everyone have their own right to choose their guru or belief, Lama Zopa never say anything against DS practitioner.

FPMT or anyone who follow Lama Zopa's foot step, do you realize that ? Why create so much disharmony within your own lineage ? If you really respect your own guru, H.E. Zopa Rinpoche, aren't you suppose to respect other who have their own belief just like how your Lama does ? If Zopa Rinpoche never forget the kindness of his Lama, how can we ? If Zopa Rinpoche never want trouble within the same family, how can we? If we say we are following Lama Zopa's foot step, he is my root lama, but we are doing something against his will, aren't we showing to the world, guru devotion is nothing? So why are we study Dharma then ?

By creating disharmony within the gelugpa, you are putting your lama down. Why do we do this ? The clear sign of Lama Zopa suffered from stroke is a very clear sign. Please bear in mind, our holy guru's life is depend on us. I will never want to see Zopa Rinpoche to leave us so soon, FPMT and all Zopa Rinpoche's student, please don't create more causes to push Zopa Rinpoche away. Please support Zopa Rinpoche to create more harmony in us. Remember, no matter which Lama we wish to follow, we are still the same family, this is a fact.

[michaela]

Watching a student worshiping his guru, especially if the student is a high lama such as Lama Zopa Rinpoche and the teacher is the impressive Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche, is very inspiring.   

The fact that Lama Zopa showing his guru devotion to Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche and the fact that Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche was a well-known Shugden practitioner, as stated in his biography very clearly:

"That one named Gyalchen Dorje Shugden has cared for me like a loving mother, countless times, even when I was a child at play."

And the fact that Lama Zopa took Dorje Shugden initiation from Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche said a lot of thing about the quality of this protector, Gyalchen Dorje Shugden.  Enlightened Lama such as Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche and Lama Zopa will not worship unenlightened protector.  It just means that Gyalchen Dorje Shugden is a protector is a worthy and undeniable protector. 

[Tenzin Gyatso]

HHDL gives much evidence Shugden should not be worshipped. If people persist, then it hurts their practice. Just because they worship Shugden (negative karma accrued) does not mean when they worship Shakyamuni they still do not obtain good karma.

Similarily when Lama Zopa worships Trijang Rinpoche, he is not worshipping Shugden.

How many of us Buddhists lie, steal, cherish ego, want face, reputation, money, attention, relationships, children along with our practices (retreats, sadanas, yidam meditations, prostrations, etc). So is our practice a farce? No, of course not. When we do practice, we gain merits, knowledge and the whole nine yards. When we engage in worldly activities we still enhance our self grasping, desires and the rest. When you worship spirit Shugden, it's demerit and when you do your tantric sadhanas it's good for you.

[Ensapa]

HHDL gives much evidence Shugden should not be worshipped. If people persist, then it hurts their practice. Just because they worship Shugden (negative karma accrued) does not mean when they worship Shakyamuni they still do not obtain good karma.

Similarily when Lama Zopa worships Trijang Rinpoche, he is not worshipping Shugden.

How many of us Buddhists lie, steal, cherish ego, want face, reputation, money, attention, relationships, children along with our practices (retreats, sadanas, yidam meditations, prostrations, etc). So is our practice a farce? No, of course not. When we do practice, we gain merits, knowledge and the whole nine yards. When we engage in worldly activities we still enhance our self grasping, desires and the rest. When you worship spirit Shugden, it's demerit and when you do your tantric sadhanas it's good for you.

There are so many incarnate and powerful lamas who incarnation has returned and they are all unmistaken reincarnations. If you say that Dorje Shugden hurts their practice, why is it that these practitioners can still do so much and even find that their past life activities of spreading the Dharma? What damage? what evil? I only see good things arise from the practice of Dorje Shugden.

Similarly, if you believe that Dorje Shugden damages our practice, then does this automatically mean that the Dalai Lama's practice is damaged too because he practiced Dorje Shudgen? Sow why are you placing faith in such a person. If a statement is true then it should be applicable to everyone and not just certain categories of people.

You are saying that if we do our tantric sadhanas it is good for us, but what about people without tantric sadhanas? are they doomed? what should they do? Cry and be alone? I love how you keep harping that Dorje Shugden is bad and that it is evil but never any evidence or proof that doing his practice has harmed someone or the fall of someone who has practiced him.

Can you please provide us with any facts that Dorje Shugden has harmed someone before and this must be unmistakeably him and also this should not be from any dubious historical sources, or historical sources that has been twisted to serve certain purposes. Because me and everyone else would very much like to read it.