The Abbot of Gaden Shartse... with his own agenda... HMMMMMMM

[diablo1974]

yes, its not only depressing to know, but alarming. imagine after he retires and looks back what he has done for this appointment during his period in managing the Gaden Shartse. He will be kensur by the way...how would he feel.  A friend of mine visited the monastery not long before. He was saddened by the state of the monastery he is more concern about the hygiene of the surrounding and especially breeding of mosquitoes.

He also asked, other than Dharma studies...the monks should also be educated on the hygiene practices and "No littering" or "Monastery cleaning for a day". i personally think that an abbot should plan and execute for the benefits of the monastery as priorities....current and future at least up to his term of appointment.

Will DL be "sad" if khenpo is just concerned about raising funds for him to come to teach and neglect the monastery which is the welfare of many monks and who are going to spread the teaching of Buddhas. I believe this Abbot can bring many benefits to the monastery if he wishes to because he is learned and able to speak the international language "English". I sincerely pray that  Khen Rinpoche Jangchup Choeden is able to have plans for Shartse.  And most importantly, i hope he is aware that Gaden Shartse is not alone and there are buddhist communities observing how he is serving his appointment.

[Tenzin Gyatso]

As long as the abbot of Ganden and all the monasteries follow the wishes of His Holiness the Dalai Lama, things will only work out for the better in the long run. There is no doubt in this. Without His Holiness and all his hard work for the past 50 years, Ganden and most monasteries would have never survived. Hard cold facts.

The Abbot whoever he is should carry out His Holiness' wishes compeletely.

[Ensapa]

As long as the abbot of Ganden and all the monasteries follow the wishes of His Holiness the Dalai Lama, things will only work out for the better in the long run. There is no doubt in this. Without His Holiness and all his hard work for the past 50 years, Ganden and most monasteries would have never survived. Hard cold facts.

The Abbot whoever he is should carry out His Holiness' wishes compeletely.

What do you mean carry out His Holiness's wishes completely? Like abandoning the welfare of the monastery to promote himself? Position himself as Dalai Lama's lapdog while many, many monks suffer and the condition of the monastery deteriorates greatly as a result? Allowing more and more monks get sick and die due to neglect? Is that what it would turn out if he "follow" His Holiness's wishes by doing just that and abandoning his duties that his position dictates him to do?

I notice one recurring theme in the failure of CTA to manifest as a proper government, and the lack of development of Dharamsala, their only property/piece of land that they are supposed to govern, as well as many other anti Shugden crusaders who are not spiritually advanced themselves: Follow HHDL's instructions, and everything will be fine which means we dont need to do what we're supposed to do.

Dalai Lama's advice always gives and brings about great benefit but it is the students who misinterpret and carry it out in the wrong way that it is okay to abandon their work and their responsibilities and all they need to do is to solely follow HHDL's advice. Well, HHDL also told his disciples to examine whatever they were told, including his own advice to see if it is valid. I dont see many people doing that.

Perhaps, His Holiness's advice is meant to be taken together with doing regular duties and not abandon those responsibilities as well. It is better to follow His Holiness's advice all the way rather than just follow whatever we like and abandon whatever we dont like because incomplete advices often yield incomplete results and half past six students. Better follow all the way.   

[DSFriend]

It's very sad news that monks are having to choose sides instead of dedicating time and focus on study, debates, teaching, etc., And this is no ordinary monk but the abbot of the great monastery of Je Tsongkhapa!

What is he gaining from all of these that far outweighs looking after the affair of the monastery and the many sangha members? Just for face? Monetary gain? Political power? What will become of him when his term is over? Will he be respected in his own monastery?

What would you do if you were in his shoes?

[Vajraprotector]

As long as the abbot of Ganden and all the monasteries follow the wishes of His Holiness the Dalai Lama, things will only work out for the better in the long run. There is no doubt in this. Without His Holiness and all his hard work for the past 50 years, Ganden and most monasteries would have never survived. Hard cold facts.

The Abbot whoever he is should carry out His Holiness' wishes compeletely.

This is sad but truth. The best example is with the recent Do Sar Khangtsen issue (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1821.0). His Holiness has asked Gaden Jangtse to sponsor the building for this Khamtsen and they have to do so. A new Khangtsen can just happen / be built with His Holiness' instructions.  That means, a monastery can also be closed with one instructions.

I understand the abbot has no choice but to follow/ conduct himself adhering to the ban, but what has that got to do with never being around in the monastery, not involved in the debates and major activities of the monastery and not raising substantial funds for the monastery?

I do not expect a Khedrup-je nor Panchen Sonam Drakpa to lead Gaden Shartse monastery, but as the abbot, not being around for the debates and major activities of the monastery? Why?

So if the abbot is being such a good "follower" of CTA, surely he can be skillful enough to get some fundings for the monastery from the CTA?

[dsiluvu]

Hello this cannot be right! What none sense... you mean to say that it is okay to ignore the monastery you are heading? It is okay if your own monastery have no funds and during official events, you as the head does not need to be there to show support and to show you even care??? What kind of head is that, might as well not have a head? It's like saying the principal of my uni does not need to be around during official events and graduations... unheard off. I mean if he is busy traveling with HHDL and raising funds for the monastery, that would be fine. 

Yes understand that you need to abide in HHDL's rules and regulations and all that jazz... but certainly does not mean you totally neglect your monastery!?! It is a clear sign to me that this Abbot is definitely here to just rub shoulders with those in power, promote himself, and this is quite sad for it is only temporary. Even people not in Dharma or not a monk do not do that. It is quite disgraceful and very sad for Gaden Shartse.  He is definitely not for the sangha of which he is suppose to look after as a "head". Shall we put it out there on FB and tweet and take a vote to see if this is acceptable?

[shugdenpromoter]

I just checked the Gaden Shartse website.

There is still no improvement. Then I read the website/blog of the Abbot, He is still BUSY traveling. Sigh.

Older monks in the monastery has been questioning the Abbot why he is not around most of the time and why don't he stay in the monastery. Why is he not there during the exams and even important day like Tsongkhapa birthday.

From my understanding, the Abbot is supposed to gather Gaden Shartse resources outside Gaden ie the lamas from all over the world to support the monastery and to make sure the monastery is free from encumbrance so that the monks is able to concentrate on their studies and the old monks are being taken care of. This was what the late Lati Rinpoche did for Gaden.  As far as I am aware of, the monastery still owes millions in loans.

My next question which confirm that the Abbot has his own agenda is that he does not run any Dharma Center?  In my opinion is that he does not want to teach and this will tie him down with responsibilities. I mean, the evidence are clear that this Abbot is not benefitting the monastery, that is the fact and nothing has changed even though he has been told many times before. Sad.

[spikyeddie]

This is a very sad news. What will be of Gaden Shartse if the abbot decided to pursue his own agenda, and make political siding for his own personal gain while abandoning and/or neglecting the holy monks?

Geshe Lobsang Tharchin said the eight worldly concerns can be summarized into three: food, clothes and big names. Of the three, big name is the worst. Sages, holy men, great meditators of the past - majority of them have been able to live without great food and clothes, but the hardest to renounce is the crave for fame deep down in the heart - the crave for wanting people to recognize and praise them.

May this abbot see what he's doing is hurting Gaden Shartse and the holy monks, and may he stop what he's doing and do what he's supposed to do. May Gaden Shartse continue to grow just like it was before when it was lead by all the past great, holy abbots.

[Ensapa]

You do not need to go far to know his daily activities. he has a blog here that sounds like what a little kid would write in his diary: http://jangchoe.blogspot.com/

This is a post:

Visit to Malaysia and Singapore


Tuesday July 31st, 2012 by 6.45am in the morning I arrived to my residence at Gaden Monastery. I did my prayers and then prepared documents to distribute things.
Monday July 30th, 2012 I met Pik Shia and her family members. We had lunch together at the Gem. By 4pm Mr. and Mrs. Ng along with Geshe Dorje escorted me to the KLI Airport. I checked in and waited inside the airport for a short period. By 23.30pm arrived to Bangalore and directly from the airport we headed towards the monastery.
Sunday July 29th, 2012 I had my BF with Ivy at the Valentino. I did Medicine Buddha puja for my host. Xiu and Qun dropped me off at the airport. I met Geshe Dorje along with other friends at the airport. On our arrival to LCCT Kuala Lumpur Mr. and Mrs. Ng was waiting to us. We went back to the center.
Saturday July 28th, 2012 in the morning we went out to the sea side to do animal liberation (protection of life) after finishing the activity we went to Valentino again to have Italian lunch, it was a delicious lunch. In the evening I met Mei Yee and group, went to see the Aljunied center.
Friday July 27th, 2012 I had Italian lunch at Valentino and later I went to Norbu Choling to meet friends. Met many old friends and had good talk with them.
Thursday July 26th, 2012 was a resting day. I met old friend Chin and Wendy. We had good talk after a year.
Wednesday July 25th, 2012 in the morning I went to meet Mr. Nabin and Lai and we had very good talk. We had a good lunch at the Linzhi Veg Restaurant. I went back to my room and we did special long life puja for my host.
Tuesday July 24th, 2012 in the afternoon I went to see Elis and her friends, did some pujas for them. Later I met old friend Carol and we had a drink with her husband.
Monday July 23rd, 2012 I did medicine Buddha puja for our good friend. Since it is holy day of turning the wheel of Dharma by great Buddha I did a special Tsog offering puja.
Sunday July 22nd, 2012 we had our lunch at the restaurant in Times Square. I met a Tan Sri Dato Sri and explained to him about Gaden Shartse Monastery. Mr. Ng drove us to the LCCT Kuala Lumpur to fly over the Singapore. We took Tiger Airways to Singapore and on our arrival to Singapore I found Beng and Xiu waiting for us. We drove Geshe Dorje to Norbu Choling and I went to Bukit Timah.
Saturday July 21st, 2012 we had BF with two daughters of Mr. and Mrs. Sui. I met friend Datuk Ho and we had good conversation. We went to Little India to have special Indian lunch. We filled up the statue with mantras and then I met Mr. Lai and Khor.
Friday July 20th, 2012 we again had our lunch with Mr. Ng and group. I had long discussion with the friends of Mr. Ng. We sorted out the mantras to input in the statue. Geshe Dorje rolled other missing mantras.
Thursday July 19th, 2012 we had lunch with Mr. Ronnie Tang and group at the Fan Chai Shiang veg restaurant. We visited the office of Jet Airways in Kuala Lumpur.
Wednesday July 18th, 2012 we had lunch with Mr. and Mrs. Sui at the Gem. Met another friend Mr. Yong and discussed some important matters. Mr. David and H.P came to see me we had good talk then I met Mr. Lai.
Tuesday July 17th, 2012 I met Mr. and Mrs. Tan Chee San and we had lunch together. We had good discussion on the fundraising. We received the precious idol of His Eminence Kyabje Lati Rinpche from Nepal.
Monday July 16th, 2012 we had our lunch with Mr. Ng and group. We visited the Office of the Mr. Ng.
Posted by Geshe Jangchup Choeden at 12:50 PM No comments:   

does not sound like what an abbot should be doing at all. Seems that he is endlessly trying to collect sponsors and buttering them up so that they will donate more...to him. Oh dear. This is very disheartening.

[Tenzin Gyatso]

What proof does anyone have? Are you all against this abbot simply because he is on the side of HHDL? What evidence does anyone have this abbot is self serving? Just wondering not challenging.

[rossoneri]

Why is the Official Website of Gaden Shartse Monastery is so unkept and there is basically no news and have nothing to learn from this website!!! I understand that as the Abbot of Gaden Shartse Monastery, Khenpo Rinpoche Jangchup Choeden has to travel in order to promote and raise fund for the upkeeping of Gaden. But the Official Website is so outdated as to compare with His own. Shouldn't he as an Abbot of Gaden, is to promote The Monastery of Gaden? Instead of having two different website which baring two different name to it? Is find to have your own website, but look what's happening to the other one should be more important because it is carrying the name of Gaden Shartse Monastery which started by Lord Tsongkhapa still under construction???

As the Abbot, can't he dedicate the work to somebody else? Really amazing?

Another thing i noticed is from his website under THE PURPOSE OF THE WEB point number 4:

To share the spiritual knowledge and experience I gained by living austere monastic life in the Gaden Shartse monastery as a monk student and an officer.

This is how he mentioned Gaden Shartse in his homepage and the only Gaden Shartse word which can be found at the homepage of The Abbot of the Gaden Shartse Monastery.

[samayakeeper]

Visit to Malaysia and Singapore


Tuesday July 31st, 2012 by 6.45am in the morning I arrived to my residence at Gaden Monastery. I did my prayers and then prepared documents to distribute things.
Monday July 30th, 2012 I met Pik Shia and her family members. We had lunch together at the Gem. By 4pm Mr. and Mrs. Ng along with Geshe Dorje escorted me to the KLI Airport. I checked in and waited inside the airport for a short period. By 23.30pm arrived to Bangalore and directly from the airport we headed towards the monastery.
Sunday July 29th, 2012 I had my BF with Ivy at the Valentino. I did Medicine Buddha puja for my host. Xiu and Qun dropped me off at the airport. I met Geshe Dorje along with other friends at the airport. On our arrival to LCCT Kuala Lumpur Mr. and Mrs. Ng was waiting to us. We went back to the center.
Saturday July 28th, 2012 in the morning we went out to the sea side to do animal liberation (protection of life) after finishing the activity we went to Valentino again to have Italian lunch, it was a delicious lunch. In the evening I met Mei Yee and group, went to see the Aljunied center.
Friday July 27th, 2012 I had Italian lunch at Valentino and later I went to Norbu Choling to meet friends. Met many old friends and had good talk with them.
Thursday July 26th, 2012 was a resting day. I met old friend Chin and Wendy. We had good talk after a year.
Wednesday July 25th, 2012 in the morning I went to meet Mr. Nabin and Lai and we had very good talk. We had a good lunch at the Linzhi Veg Restaurant. I went back to my room and we did special long life puja for my host.
Tuesday July 24th, 2012 in the afternoon I went to see Elis and her friends, did some pujas for them. Later I met old friend Carol and we had a drink with her husband.
Monday July 23rd, 2012 I did medicine Buddha puja for our good friend. Since it is holy day of turning the wheel of Dharma by great Buddha I did a special Tsog offering puja.
Sunday July 22nd, 2012 we had our lunch at the restaurant in Times Square. I met a Tan Sri Dato Sri and explained to him about Gaden Shartse Monastery. Mr. Ng drove us to the LCCT Kuala Lumpur to fly over the Singapore. We took Tiger Airways to Singapore and on our arrival to Singapore I found Beng and Xiu waiting for us. We drove Geshe Dorje to Norbu Choling and I went to Bukit Timah.
Saturday July 21st, 2012 we had BF with two daughters of Mr. and Mrs. Sui. I met friend Datuk Ho and we had good conversation. We went to Little India to have special Indian lunch. We filled up the statue with mantras and then I met Mr. Lai and Khor.
Friday July 20th, 2012 we again had our l[color=yellow]unch[/color] with Mr. Ng and group. I had long discussion with the friends of Mr. Ng. We sorted out the mantras to input in the statue. Geshe Dorje rolled other missing mantras.
Thursday July 19th, 2012 we had lunch[/b] with Mr. Ronnie Tang and group at the Fan Chai Shiang veg restaurant. We visited the office of Jet Airways in Kuala Lumpur.
Wednesday July 18th, 2012 we had[color=yellow] lunch[/color] with Mr. and Mrs. Sui at the Gem. Met another friend Mr. Yong and discussed some important matters. Mr. David and H.P came to see me we had good talk then I met Mr. Lai.
Tuesday July 17th, 2012 I met Mr. and Mrs. Tan Chee San and we had lunch together. We had good discussion on the fundraising. We received the precious idol of His Eminence Kyabje Lati Rinpche from Nepal.
Monday July 16th, 2012 we had our lunch with Mr. Ng and group. We visited the Office of the Mr. Ng.
Posted by Geshe Jangchup Choeden at 12:50 PM No comments:   


LIFE IS GOOD AS AN ABBOT. SO MANY LUNCHES. I HEARD MALAYSIA AND SINGAPORE HAVE GOOD FOOD AND MANY BUSINESSES ARE CONDUCTED OVER MEALS. LUNCHES? BUSINESSES? GET MY DRIFT?

[thaimonk]

The monks of Ganden are not pleased with this abbot at all. They are waiting for him to finish his term and retire. They have remarked he has done nothing for the betterment of Ganden Shartse Monastery or Ganden in general. He has used his position to garner a closeness to Dalai Lama. With this 'closeness' to be able to travel to various countries and fulfill his personal agenda.

The nickname given to this abbot now is 'Tourist Abbot'. Like a tourist he visits Ganden and doesn't stay long!

[DharmaSpace]

I have read Trijang Rinpoche bio's and every day his activities is for and towards the benefit of his fellow tibetans and sentient beings seems like the current abbott's work is quite trivial if I may say.
On the other hand I have met Lobsang Pende at Shar Gaden he is always around teaching, guiding the monks to better themselves. It will be a matter of time when Shar Gaden and Serpom will surpass Gaden in terms of learned monks and scholarship. Not that is a good or bad thing but sad Gaden the seat of Je Tsongkhapa comes to such a state.

[thor]

Did you know, khen rinpoche jangchup choeden has 125 posts on his personal blog. But on YouTube, he has less than 20 teachings. Obviously it is not a case of technological disadvantage, as shar gaden has over 100 videos.

Nuff said...