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Ensapa

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Re: more love for lobsang sangay
« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2012, 03:26:00 AM »
Unfortunately I have to agree with Ensapa that Lobsang Sangay is a weak leader, but again, everyone will be overshadowed by His Holiness - his charisma,  his presence and his confidence.  Yes, Lobsang Sangay may be from Harvard, he is a very educated man, but we haven't seen much that impresses so far.

At the recent solidarity rally, Lobsang Sangay said, “Our time will come, it is close. Democracy is universal,” referring to the Arab Spring uprisings that toppled veteran dictators in Libya, Egypt and Tunisia as well as Myanmar pro-democracy leader Aung San Suu Kyi who was released from seven straight years of house arrest in November 2010 and has now been issued with a passport, enabling her to travel abroad for the first time in 24 years.

Democracy is an egalitarian form of government in which all the citizens of a nation together determine public policy, the laws and the actions of their state, requiring that all citizens (meeting certain qualifications) have an equal opportunity to express their opinion.

Yet, why is such a separatist policy like the ban on Dorje Shugden practise is passed through without much debate? It is NOT a religious issue, religious issue doesn't involve stopping people from attending school and being discriminated and treated like second class citizens. Also, Dorje Shugden is a major practise of  thousands of monks and many Tibetans who are from the Ba-Li-Gyal area, were they given any say in this matter?

Oh my god that is one of the funniest things that I have ever read about the CTA aside from the ridiculous accusations against Dorje Shugden and China. Democracy? in CTA/Dharamsala? It is a well known fact that there is only ONE political party in the CTA: The Tibetan Youth Congress and you're either in or out and if you're out you get ostracized and threatened to support them. What democracy is LS talking about? the one in his head or the one that is actually just another lie to attract more innocent and unsuspecting people into the Tibetan cause? Has anyone heard of any election by the CTA? Maybe only in choosing the kalon tripa, but what about political parties? A democratic country must have at least another democratic party to contend and give the people a choice. None of that in CTA/Dharamsala.

Everyone is hoping that LS will change that, but in the end he is just a dud and a puppet that has no real power whatsoever or does anything useful at all to start with.

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Re: more love for lobsang sangay
« Reply #31 on: June 27, 2012, 05:07:27 PM »
Looks like the Australians like Lobsang Sangay. Well, they like him but there's also results-check. I do hope like what Lobsang Sangay said, with the change in new leadership, there might be some hope for a better future.

Dreams of a leader of a land he has never seen
Peter Hartcher
Sydney Morning Herald
 
26 June: Any political leader feeling unhappy with his, or her, lot might consider the situation of Lobsang Sangay. He is the Prime Minister of a government that doesn’t exist, representing a land he has never visited.
 
And it’s an understatement to say he has a hard act to follow. His predecessor is not only a Nobel laureate and one of the world’s most famous people, but also happens to be considered a demi-god by his people.
 
Sangay has taken over from the Dalai Lama the political leadership, though the 76-year-old monk has retained his position of spiritual leader.

Sangay became the first elected leader of the Tibetan exile administration, which has been based in the Indian city of Dharamsala since the Dalai Lama took refuge there from the Chinese takeover of Tibet in 1959.
 
Sangay won an election against two other candidates in April last year and took office in August. He’s young, 43 or 44; his father, a monk who was injured when he took up arms to fight the Chinese, and mother met in a refugee camp in Darjeeling and didn’t take exact note of his date of birth.
 
He’s a Harvard-educated lawyer who has lived in Boston for the past 16 years before moving to Dharamsala to take up his post as kalon tripa, or prime minister, of a regime that the Chinese call “an illegal criminal organisation”.
 
And though he has a subtle mind, movie-star looks, smooth delivery and near-native English, he cannot begin to compete with the charisma of the man he follows.
 
Not only that, he says he has taken over for the “hardest phase” of the Tibetan campaign for autonomy – but not full independence – from China: “If you study any movement, the beginning is swift and brutal,” he told the Herald yesterday. In Tibet’s case, it was the Chinese invasion. “And the end is swift and pleasurable – look at the result of the election in Egypt. But the middle phase is always the most difficult.”
 
The Dalai Lama, he says, has done “an amazing job – despite 50 years, our issue is still very much alive in the consciousness of the world.
 
“It’s my responsibility to carry the expectation forward – to maintain the spirit of the Tibetan people, to maintain the support of the international community, and to press the Chinese government to enter into dialogue.”
 
Is he succeeding in any of these three? There’s no real evidence so far. On the first score, the Tibetan people, it seems, have been reluctant to accept the Dalai Lama’s withdrawal from political advocacy. “Unwelcome but inevitable,” is how one senior exile leader put it.
 
And it is unclear how to interpret the acceleration of self-immolations that have taken place among Tibetans in China’s Tibetan Autonomous Region since Sangay’s election. He has issued repeated pleas for Tibetans to cease but they continue at a distressing pace. “Ninety per cent have coincided with my taking over the leadership,” he says.
 
He concedes that it is possibly a sign Tibetans feel greater hopelessness in their cause since the withdrawal of the Dalai Lama. Or that it could be an effort to apply greater pressure on him to take a harder stance against China, but he cautions that “it’s too early to tell”.
 
What we can be sure of, he says, is that “the situation is not bearable”.
 
On the second, while Sangay has received a perfectly hospitable reception in the dozen countries he has visited in his new capacity, official recognition is much tougher. “My reception has been pretty good given the frantic phone calls from Chinese embassies” trying to defeat his attempts for visas, recognition and even speaking opportunities.
 
He has been welcomed and feted by members of parliament everywhere he has visited – in the US, Japan, Canada, Britain and Europe, and he will address a group of Australian parliamentarians in Canberra this week.
 
But he has not been granted official meetings with any nation’s foreign minister or national leader yet, unlike his president-pulling predecessor. It seems that this will be his fate in Australia, too.
 
On the third count, there is no sign that the Chinese are interested in talking to him or the administration he leads. The Chinese have refused any negotiations since 2008. The two special envoys appointed by the Dalai Lama quit in frustration.
 
Sangay continues to advocate the “Middle Way” policy – neither independence from China nor full control by China but autonomy within China.
 
Beijing refuses to accept the Tibetans’ good faith, accusing them of being secret “splittists” seeking to break away altogether.
 
Sangay says this is not the right time to expect China to start talking: “They are quite busy with their internal matters, including the leadership change” due about October. He hopes the new leadership might bring a “new perspective”.
 
With the present configuration of forces, how can Sangay sustain the “middle phase”?
 
One challenge will be to hold the line on non-violence. Many of the younger Tibetan voices despair of the moderate tactics of the leadership of the government-in-exile.
 
Is it getting harder?
 
“Yes in some senses because as more time passes, and there’s no progress, it validates the pro-independence argument – ‘see we told you so’. But for us, the values of democracy and non-violence are not negotiable.”
 
And Sangay can claim two victories in the first nine months of his prime ministership. First, he says, the Tibetans have debunked the theory held by some Chinese that, after the Dalai Lama dies, the Tibetan movement will die with him: “We are standing on our own feet. We have demonstrated to the Chinese leadership that our movement will stay alive – that’s why I left my job at Harvard, America and Starbucks to work for Indian rupees, drink chai and live without central heating.”
 
Second, he is living proof that Tibet’s exiles can accomplish a democratically elected leadership. Of the 64,000 Tibetans eligible to vote, 49,000 did, and of those 27,000 voted for Sangay.
 
That may not be very many votes, but it’s many more than the President of China can boast.

From: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/dreams-of-a-leader-of-a-land-he-has-never-seen-20120625-20yh1.html

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Re: more love for lobsang sangay
« Reply #32 on: July 06, 2012, 08:39:03 PM »
Latest from Lobsang Sangay about self-immolation and a variety of issues related to the cause of Tibet.




'Tibetans have no option other than self-immolations'
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Prime Minister of the Tibetan government-in-exile Lobsang Sangay in exclusive conversation with The Sunday Indian 

TSI: Almost 40 Tibetans including monks have attempted self-immolation since 2009. Why this sudden increase in such desperate acts of protest? Have they lost all hope for a free Tibet?
LS: [Brief silence] Yes, it has been really unfortunate. Question is why? The Chinese Government doesn’t allow any form of free speech like we see in India, here we can have dharnas, hunger strikes, and we can protest, and organise rallies. But in China, especially in Tibet, it is not so. You simply cannot participate in protests, even if it’s a gathering of three people, they get arrested and tortured. Tragically, Tibetans are taking to this rather drastic political act of self-immolation. But all the 40 self-immolators have only hurt themselves and not harmed others. Their demands are pretty clear – the return of His Holiness Dalai Lama and Free Tibet.

TSI: Tibetan activist Jamphel Yeshi also self-immolated himself hours before Hu Jintao’s arrival in March this year. Is self-immolation the only way of being heard?
LS: We have told people not to indulge in self-immolation. A few days after Jamphel Yeshi’s self-immolation we in fact issued a very strongly worded letter asking Tibetans-in-exile particularly not to resort to self-immolations because we have freedom of speech in India. We can resort to and engage in many other forms of protests. Unfortunately, Tibetans inside Tibet don’t have any other option, but to commit self-immolations.

TSI: Have the concerns over Dalai Lama’s security intensified of late? The Dalai Lama himself recently said that a Tibetan may attack him?
LS: Threat perception always remains. The report (about a Tibetan attacking Dalai Lama) is reliable but not verified. Reports are that China at one time was training people like that, so we have to take all this under consideration.

TSI: Your views on Indo-Tibetan relations?
LS: Tibet is of major interest for India from geo-political, environmental and cultural point-of-view. Culturally, because we follow Buddhism, which we adapted from India. Environmentally because Tibet’s Himalayan geography directly affects the region. And geo-politically because China is building a railway line all the way to India. The Indian government spends billions of dollars for border security. Before 1959, it was not necessary. Resolving the Tibet issue is in India’s interest.

TSI: Is there any ongoing back-channel dialogue with China or does a stalemate persist considering recent resignations of your two appointed emissaries?
LS: At the moment it is a stalemate, mainly because of the Chinese government. The relevant Chinese officials have not reciprocated positively to the memorandum that we submitted. That is why our two appointed envoys resigned. The environment is not conducive for dialogue. The situation inside Tibet is also getting worse. Having said that, we are ready to engage in dialogue with the Chinese government anytime. We seek autonomy within China and within the framework of the Chinese constitution. Most likely with the changes in leadership, by early next year there might be slight changes in the trend.

TSI: China has been showing off Gyaltsen Norbu, the government-appointed 11th Panchen Lama, to the world. Do you think the world has accepted him as Dalai Lama's successor?
LS: No, No I don’t think the world will accept him because he is not the boy endorsed by the Dalai Lama. He spends more time in Beijing than in Lhasa. He spends more time talking of politics than spirituality. He is being groomed and shown around by the Chinese government which will not be accepted by Tibetans. Why should they?

TSI: If not Gyaltsen Norbu, do you think period after Dalai Lama will mean chaos for Tibetans-in-exile and China will only emerge stronger?
LS: Dalai Lama will come back. But interim period, it was chaotic before. You know, there is always a gap in history. That is why His Holiness has issued a very strong statement last September – reincarnation, selection or emanation. If he comes back through reincarnation then till Dalai Lama is born and enthroned and mature, it will take 27 years. That is why, the Dalai Lama has said that if Buddhist leaders are willing there could be a selection process, some Buddhist leaders could gather and select the next leader. Or there is also the possibility of an emanation process, meaning the Dalai Lama could designate a boy (or a girl), and say he will be my successor. That will remove that interim period. Immediately after His Holiness passes away, we will have a young boy who will be the 15th Dalai Lama. Who better than Dalai Lama to choose, legitimize, give credibility, train and groom the next Dalai Lama?

TSI: What is your single-most-important task as the PM of Tibetan government-in-exile?
LS: Politically, restoring freedom for Tibetans and maintaining solidarity both within and outside Tibet are very important. Domestically, education will be the number one priority. I came from a humble background. Because of education I’ve managed to stand on my feet. Similarly, if we invest in education for everybody, then an educated and highly talented generation will be groomed to take forward the Tibetan cause.

TSI: But is the Dalai Lama refraining from being too outspoken about the situation in Tibet these days?
LS: His Holiness made it very clear last March that he wants to transfer all his political authority. There is a clear demarcation and I handle the political part of the Tibet issue and His Holiness is our most revered leader. Now he spends more time on his spiritual pursuits but as a Tibetan he often makes comments on the Tibet issue as well.

TSI: China is one of the world’s most formidable powers. Is there still hope for a free Tibet?
LS: We perceive China differently from the way other countries, including India, perceive China. We Tibetans have been living side by side with China for centuries. China may grow powerful, but the Tibetan spirit, Tibetan sense of commitment and determination will not change. We believe that we will achieve freedom one day. That is the determination of the younger generation of Tibetans to carry the cause forward. Not just me, so many other Tibetans are joining in and have been in the Tibetan cause for a long time with sincere belief, that our day will come. We will return to Tibet.
 

From: http://www.thesundayindian.com/en/story/tibetans-have-no-option-other-than-self-immolations/25/37237/

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Re: more love for lobsang sangay
« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2012, 02:55:58 PM »
Kalon Tripa is currently visiting Tibetan communities in Ladakh. I have attached a few pictures below, including one of Lobsang Sangay with the 102nd Gaden Tripa  Rizong Rinpoche at Ladakh. 

I heard that the 102nd Gaden Tripa, has been a Dorje Shugden practitioner, but now he follows the dictates of the ban on Shugden practice and he has not spoken out against Dorje Shugden nor against Shugden practitioners.

Also, I read on a thread here (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=67.msg4312#msg4312) that when the Dalai lama wanted very much to publicly denounce Denma Locho Rinpoche during the inauguration of Loseling Prayer Hall because Denma Locho Rinpoche went to Serkong Tritul's Centre in Taiwan and received much monetary offerings, Gaden Tripa Rizong Rinpoche went to have audience with Dalai lama numerous times to beg the Dalai lama from doing so. After many repeated requests, Dalai lama desisted.

Looks like this Gaden Tripa is on 'our' side  8)

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Re: more love for lobsang sangay
« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2012, 03:34:26 AM »
Kalon Tripa is currently visiting Tibetan communities in Ladakh. I have attached a few pictures below, including one of Lobsang Sangay with the 102nd Gaden Tripa  Rizong Rinpoche at Ladakh. 

I heard that the 102nd Gaden Tripa, has been a Dorje Shugden practitioner, but now he follows the dictates of the ban on Shugden practice and he has not spoken out against Dorje Shugden nor against Shugden practitioners.

Also, I read on a thread here (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=67.msg4312#msg4312) that when the Dalai lama wanted very much to publicly denounce Denma Locho Rinpoche during the inauguration of Loseling Prayer Hall because Denma Locho Rinpoche went to Serkong Tritul's Centre in Taiwan and received much monetary offerings, Gaden Tripa Rizong Rinpoche went to have audience with Dalai lama numerous times to beg the Dalai lama from doing so. After many repeated requests, Dalai lama desisted.

Looks like this Gaden Tripa is on 'our' side  8)


Now this is interesting. When the Ganden Tripa was changed, there was much speculation that the Dalai Lama would replace him with a politically correct one but HHDL did not. Why? Because HHDL does not really see Dorje Shugden as evil, because if he did he would have put an abbot that was against Dorje Shugden as the Ganden Tripa even if he was not competent like what he did with Ganden Shartse's abbot. On this same page, lets not forget that Samdhong Rinpoche was chosen as the Dalai Lama's close assistant despite him being recognized as an emanation of Dorje Shugden. If HHDL really believe that Dorje Shugden was evil, why would he allow that even? Perhaps, in the case of Shartse, he has really seen his mistake and has decided to just allow a Dorje Shugden practitioner to be the Ganden Tripa because no non Dorje Shugden lamas are competent enough to hold that position. Sorry that it has to come to that, but the proof is in the pudding. So, the monks in Ganden swore that they would never do Dorje Shugden practice and discarded Dorje Shugden just to be on Dalai Lama's side, but at the end, what did they achieve now? I hear no high lamas from Ganden that are anti Dorje Shugden that are famous. none.

Such are the effects of breaking samaya. In order to look politically good, these practitioners throw away the teachings and samaya that they have received from their Gurus to be on the Dalai Lama's side at the cost of their own spiritual practice. So, what will happen to them now? It is very clear that none of them are competent enough to take over the role of the Ganden Tripa, which is why HHDL has to choose one that is a Dorje Shugden practitioner, but even then, he does not make any new or ridiculous rules with regards on the ban. He just keeps quiet and not initiate crusades or any extreme measures against Dorje Shugden practitioners but neither does he encourage them to show respect to the Dalai Lama and his ban.