TG, I can't just read your post without giving you my thoughts.
FACE IT: Shugden's practice is dying already
The point is HHDL has his oppositions and not all his policies will please all the people all the time. But his policy on Dorje Shugden is to safeguard the purity of Buddhism. This faces opposition, but the opposition is quieted down and will accept HHDL's position sooner or later. You don't see anymore protests orchestrated by Geshe Kelsang. In fact Geshe Kelsang has given up his lawsuits, protests and talks against HHDL. He recognizes it is futile. Following Geshe Kelsang example many Lamas has renounced Shugden and followed the advice of HHDL. Geshe Kelsang and the Shugden lamas have not the power, following, evidence, stamina, resources to fight any further. Shugden people have gone back into their comfortable lives and do their prayers quietly to a god Shugden who is not powerful and definitely a spirit that cannot oppose the truth represented by HHDL's courage and stance. The few oppositions left are pockets here and there. No Shugden organization or group is able to oppose HHDL. All of them are powerless and silent. Simply because truth is not on their side and they cannot gain support.
What will safeguard the purity of Buddhism is clean Guru samaya.
Without it lineage is impossible.
HHDL, apparently contradicted his Root Guru Trijang Rinpoche by instauring a ban on the sacred practice of the enlightened protector Dorje Shugden. Apparently, thus, the samaya is broken...
This is why I rose in this forum before the possibility that HHDL did actually put the ban in place following an instruction from Trijang Rinpoche himself. Why not? It would make sense with everything else in place, such as Trijang Rinpoche instructing his other student Samdong Rinpoche to serve the Dalai Lama all the way, etc...
Then this ban is actually an expression of Guru devotion and is clean samaya. And HH is demonstrating sacrifice and generosity to all by even damaging his reputation with this ban, to serve the Buddhist teachings of Nagarjuna clearly taught by Lama Tsongkhapa and spread it through China (with Dorje Shugden), after He has spread it to the world.
To me this is skillful means of enlightened beings in action, right before our eyes.
Your only Platform to speak is here & your disharmonious
Debating here on the only Shugden friendly forum in the world will not free the Shugden spirit or bring him mainstream. Even all you Shugden followers do not unite or get along. I 've read the old posts. I was suprised how much you all argue just about Shugden and the bigger picture incessantly without end. For this reason you all broke up. Some stayed on this forum, some left because of obscure silly arguments. I found that so hilarious. You don't even have unity because you argue over obscure unsupported theories. Whether there is a bigger picture or not, who cares. You all worship the one god Shugden spirit and you don't get blessed by him to play nice and get along?? Definitely this is the 'blessings' of the Shugden spirit where everything looks hunky dory at first and then it just goes down. None of you get along here even when it comes to Shugden! One side against HHDL full stop/criticize non-stop shouting there is no big picture and the other side purports a bigger picture at same time respectful to the Dalai Lama. Your arguments with eachother on this on past threads was really entertaining to say the least. It is proof Shugden creates disharmony. Can't you all see. You all don't even get along and 'tear' at eachother.
This forum is not a forum among Buddhas who have no more flaws.
This forum is among practitioners, and maybe a few Buddhas, I wouldn't know...
How can we expect practitioners to be perfect?
How can we expect them to be free from conceptualization, free from being forced to see their world within right and wrong?
I am sure that HHDL also has discussions and disagreements going on among his followers, among his attendants, among his students. But of course.
If the students were perfect, there would be no need for Dorje Shugden or the Dalai lama to work tirelessly.
So to claim that there is disharmony because students are not perfect and then, by extension blame Dorje Shugden for it is a faulty short-cut that is not at your level TG.
People power, effort, hard work, consistent effort will free Shugden and get him into mainstream acceptance. But hold on a minute, don't get excited, that would only work if Shugden's practice was genuine and not a spirit practice. Since it is a spirit practice, hard work and effort will get the Shugden movement nowhere. See the evidence. Do you see Shugden growing? A few monasteries (Shar Ganden & Serphom) splintering off does not exactly spell growth or mainstream acceptance. Shugden movement is dying a slow death.
First of all, what you call the "Shugden movement" is nothing less than the Gelug, the Kadampa!
Reading your post, it sounds like it is a lunatic "movement"... Like "flower and peace movement", or "new age movement"...
We are talking here about a holy lineage stemming from Buddha Shakyamuni, a pure lineage. We are talking about the view on emptiness as clearly explained by Nagarjuna and as taught extensively by Lama Tsongkhapa.
We are talking about the Lamrim.
We are talking about the Lojong.
We are talking about sacred tantric practices.
And we are talking about the Protector of this lineage, the protector of the lineage of Lama Tsongkhapa.
we are talking about our Buddha: Dorje Shugden!
We are talking about Manjushri!
And if it would be declining (which is not the case), there could possibly be no room in your heart for rejoicing over it. As a Gelug practitioner, your heart can only fall into sadness, dry up and crack even at the mere thought that Dorje Shugden practice could diminish.
Why? Because what are we going to pass on to the next generations? What? I don't mean any offence, but HHDL is in a human form, He has the human aggregates, and he will pass away one day. Who can continue His enlightened work afterwards? Who?
But no, HHDL also manages to subjugate the very nation that puts Him down, and He does that before leaving His current aggregates. When he will leave, Vajrayana would have been planted on every nation, even in China, with the assistance of Dorje Shugden, who is Manjushri.
By the way, HHDL himself did say that the practice is growing, and He even named a few countries in which it is becoming very strong. I am sure you do not have the mind to contradict HH.
And yes, there is still so much more to do, the road is still long, and there should be no effort spared to give all sentient beings at least a seed for enlightenment. There must be more effort from the side of the practitioners. The recognition of Dorje Shugden is growing, the practice of the teachings of Lama Tsongkhapa is growing, but I agree with you, it should grow more, there should be more efforts.
Resources and Stamina ending
Shugden movement is dying. No more protests, law suits whatsoever. All Shugden lamas hide, remain quiet or just have no power/resources to do anything further. The students are just making money, making families, buying houses and eating nice food. Not one single student/group of any well known Shugden lama are standing up or doing anything because nothing can be done. A spirit is a spirit. If Shugden is so powerful why does he let this be? Obviously Shugden does not have the power to 'fight' or 'challenge' one single man-His Holiness the Dalai Lama.
I hope this is a sign that the ban is dissipating.
You see, at one point, the ban won't be needed anymore, and growth must then come from other methods.
have you thought that, perhaps, this is what was happening?
Media doesn't consider this important
Even popular media does not take the Shugden issue seriously. Shugden's 'cause' is losing and becoming more quiet. Sorry. But it is for the better.
Ask yourself, as a follower of Shugden what are you doing everyday for the so called ban (not a ban) to be removed? From the comforts of your homes, what are you doing besides typing on this forum that will make huge waves? Nothing much right? How come? My theory is because Shugden is a spirit and he has some minimal power but not enough to combat the pure motivation and stance of the many lamas who have given up Shugden and went back to Kalarupa, pure Buddhism and the logical wishes of His Holiness the Dalai Lama.
Gotta get on the page already man. It's not too late.
dixit: " Gotta get on the page already man. It's not too late. "
Central Tibetan Administration not concerned
I've introduced some of my friends here in Dharamsala who work in Tibetan CTA offices. They said, this website and it's writings does not worry them at all. Shugden people are a small minority and getting smaller. They occasionally visit this website, but they find it sad that all of you will not practice pure Buddhism. They said we should be patient towards the Shugden people, it's just a matter of time they disappear completely. My friends said Shugden people do not have the strength, stamina, resources to fight anymore. The biggest part of this dying 'movement' is truth is not on your side.
I personally think that the CTA should be focusing on the enormous task that is to care for the exiled Tibetan community on all secular levels and remain independent from the religious agenda. When the CTA is in charge of the Tibetan community in exile, it means they are also in charge of the Dorje Shugden practitioners. A DS practitioner should even be able to become an executive of the CTA, there should be no reason to discriminate between Tibetans in exile on the basis of their religious practice.
Why would the CTA worry about the Dorje Shugden
in any other way than worrying about them being descriminated!
Silenced
Geshe Kelsang, Gonar Rinpoche, Trijang Rinpoche, Pabonka Rinpoche, Zemey Rinpoche, Yogyal Rinpoche, Droma Geshe, Ganchen Rinpoche, Gyurme Kensure, Gaden Thrisur in France, Geshe Jampa, Kundeling Rinpoche, Thapo Rinpoche, Zasepp Rinpoche, Gellek Rinpoche, etc etc etc have no more abilities or stamina to pursue this senseless argument Shugden is enlightened. All these lamas and their students have become more and more silent. Everyone has retreated into their centres and hope Shugden the spirit will come to the rescue. I doubt it. Shugden can never oppose the HH Dalai Lama. Truth is on His Holiness the Dalai Lama's side.
Regret and purify. His Holiness will accept. He is very compassionate. It's not too late. We can become one big happy family again. Harmonious and united.
But we are one family! I don't see us in any other way!
Please help us in sending this message across: WE ARE ONE BIG FAMILY! We have the same practices, we have the same lineage, for a lot of us we even have the same Gurus.