Looking on the Guru as an Enlightened One

[Heartspoon]

"Lord, how do all the bodhisattvas and tathagatas look on the master who has
been empowered with guhyasamaja, the secret vajra body, speech and mind
of the tathagatas ?

Child of good family, all the bodhisattvas and tathagatas look on the guru as the vajra mind of enlightenment. Why ? Because the master and the mind of enlightenment are the same - they are not divisible into two."

Guhyasamaja Tantra

[Heartspoon]

If one is foolish enough to urge you
to stop being devoted to your master
By inviting you to disparage your guru,
he acts the same as if he was inviting you
to disparage all the enlightened ones.

[Heartspoon]

"The disciple who has reverence for the guru always looks on the guru as follows:
The guru is the equal of all the enlightened ones. Always he himself is Vajradhara.
He holds all the qualities of the tathagata Ratnasambhava, the great ocean of
transcendental wisdom and the giver of the priceless wish-fulfilling gem.
Such a disciple does not consider, even in his thoughts, that the guru has any flaw."

Ornament of the Vajra Essence Tantra

[Heartspoon]

Nowadays some disciples say they have reverence for the guru
But at the same time see some of his dharma practices as wrong

On the basis of the flaws they perceive in their guru
They proclaim as sectarian any disciple who dares
To pursue the practices and activities of the guru

The disciple who sees no flaw in his guru
Who sees him as equal to all the enlightened ones
Is banned by those who possess this special pride

[Heartspoon]

I am not a partisan of my root guru
I do not hate those who write many things
That are made to appear like a correct path
I hold as a teacher only Him
Whose word possesses reason

I bow to the feet of the guru who has as his nature
The glorious nondual transcendental wisdom
And as such is the root cause of the attainment
Of the state or stage of Vajrasattva

If you say "I have faith" and you put down the one
who arises from the transcendental wisdom vajra
Then really you have no clear idea of who he is
You have no idea of the workings of Buddha,
Bodhisattvas and their different forms.

[hope rainbow]

Dear Heartspoon,


I just came across this post and I find it so beautiful, that I decided to put it back on top of the topic lists for more people to read.
It is hard to add anything really, but I'd say this:
Freedom starts with surrender.

[Mana]

"Lord, how do all the bodhisattvas and tathagatas look on the master who has
been empowered with guhyasamaja, the secret vajra body, speech and mind
of the tathagatas ?

Child of good family, all the bodhisattvas and tathagatas look on the guru as the vajra mind of enlightenment. Why ? Because the master and the mind of enlightenment are the same - they are not divisible into two."

Guhyasamaja Tantra

Yes, a beautiful quote indeed. Very appropriate for now.

I guess for those on both camps of pro and against Shugden it has become hard to follow the advice of this Kingly tantra.
I guess the same goes for all three camps of Karmapa. Two camps of Panchen Lama also.

Why has all of this happened? Who is behind all of this? Is it Nechung's wrong advice given to Dalai Lama? Who is the real blame?

[Lineageholder]

Freedom starts with surrender.

Beautiful, thank you.

May we have the courage to stop following our self-cherishing and surrender to the wisdom and compassion of the Guru instead.

[Tenzin K]

This is very important. The Guru is the one that teaching and guiding us to the path of enlightenment. We should always regards our Guru as the Enlightened One. We believe in him, we believe in his teaching.

This also create faith for us to follow our Guru teaching and this will also create good samaya in order for us to be able to continue to receive the teaching from our Guru.

It make sense. If we do not think our Guru has reach the highest level how can we have full trust in his teaching?
This is about Enlightenment! liberating ourselves from all unhappiness. It's eternity!
I strongly believe in the Guru.
   

[Dolce Vita]

I was told if you see a statue as a statue, it will only be a statue. If you see a statue as an enlightened being, you will get the blessings from it.

Same as a Guru, if we see our Guru as an ordinary beings, we will not be able to get the blessings that we need in our spiritual practice. To begin with, if we see our Guru as an ordinary being, why in the first place we take refuge in him? When we see our Guru as an enlightened being, we will be able to fully surrender and receive the blessings that we need to progress in our spiritual practice.

[tsangpakarpo]

"Lord, how do all the bodhisattvas and tathagatas look on the master who has
been empowered with guhyasamaja, the secret vajra body, speech and mind
of the tathagatas ?

Child of good family, all the bodhisattvas and tathagatas look on the guru as the vajra mind of enlightenment. Why ? Because the master and the mind of enlightenment are the same - they are not divisible into two."

Guhyasamaja Tantra

Yes, a beautiful quote indeed. Very appropriate for now.

I guess for those on both camps of pro and against Shugden it has become hard to follow the advice of this Kingly tantra.
I guess the same goes for all three camps of Karmapa. Two camps of Panchen Lama also.

Why has all of this happened? Who is behind all of this? Is it Nechung's wrong advice given to Dalai Lama? Who is the real blame?

I believe we are the real blame! If we had practice Dorje Shugden and share His practice with everyone else till it spreads like a wild fire then there will be no need for this controversy.

But it is not too late. We can still do much more now to spread Dorje Shugden's practice. Let everyone know how He has helped you! Good things should always be shared!

[Ensapa]

The Guru is the Buddha for our level because statues cannot speak to us, the historical Buddha is long gone and we cannot perceive enlightened beings yet so the best that we can settle for is a Guru. In that aspect, the Guru is an enlightened being for us and for our level. To some people, that could be a bit controversial as they place the Buddha on a pedestal and it would make them insecure and scared if enlightenment is equalled to a human form. To me, my Guru is Shakyamuni and I have to do my best to not waste my chance to take teachings from him and apply them.

[Dondrup Shugden]

"Lord, how do all the bodhisattvas and tathagatas look on the master who has
been empowered with guhyasamaja, the secret vajra body, speech and mind
of the tathagatas ?

Child of good family, all the bodhisattvas and tathagatas look on the guru as the vajra mind of enlightenment. Why ? Because the master and the mind of enlightenment are the same - they are not divisible into two."

Guhyasamaja Tantra

What a beautiful verse, by learning this verse by heart, Guru Devotion will arise firmly to benefit our spiritual path.

[psylotripitaka]

We may inwardly and privately view the Guru as a Buddha, but with respect to the behavior of their human aspect that lives in human society, if they constantly lie, disrespect their Gurus, act in contradiction to Buddhas teachings and strongly and continuously encourage others to do the same over an extended period of time, this "emanation" is showing the aspect of an invalid Teacher who's actions must be called into question, and if they cannot give a sensible response that accords with the Dharma, or change their actions so as not to be a constant hypocrite, they should not be followed for they will lead us most certainly to the lower realms.

[Dondrup Shugden]

Once again a good illustration from Psylotripitaka, but even when the Guru in this human form is to be contradictory to what is the essence of Guru Devotion (Namo Guru) can we honestly be so wise and clairvoyant
to see why the Guru is so doing what he is doing? 

Do we actually have the right to judge our Gurus? Are we actually qualified to do so?

Remember before following the Guru we are supposed to have ''assessed'' his everything before we follow. However of  course there are instance like the Ban of Dorje Shugden, if we chose to follow the lineage of Trijang Rinpoche of which the Dalai Lama is supposed to be within this lineage, then what to do?

Then my humble opinion is to follow what your immediate Guru does or let's say your Root Guru.  We have the choice not to follow the Dalai Lama who may not be our Root Guru as at our level, the Dalai Lama has forsaken his own Guru.