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Dorje Shugden's aspect: worldly or not?
« on: January 25, 2013, 04:24:26 AM »
Trijang Dorjechang says that Dorje Shugden shows the aspect of a worldly being. Je Kelsang Gyatso Rinpoche says in his commentary that this is incorrect; that Dorje Shugden's aspect reveals all the stages of the path of Sutra and Tantra.

Any thoughts?

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Re: Dorje Shugden's aspect: worldly or not?
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2013, 05:00:06 AM »
Trijang Dorjechang most probably was referring to Dorje Shugden taking the form of a tsen, a class of beings that dosent translate very well into english. the word tsen as I have seen means earthbound spirit, but if you take into account the beings that are classed as a tsen, they are also classified as a yaksha in certain translations. In that aspect, Dorje Shugden shows us that he is a worldly being. However, his iconography, functions and energy take the aspect of an enlightened being. His blessings would come faster i suppose if we see him as an enlightened being but for people beset with worldly problems, his worldly aspect would make it easier for them to reach out to him.

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Re: Dorje Shugden's aspect: worldly or not?
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2013, 05:36:20 AM »
Very nice explanation Ensapa, thank you.

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Re: Dorje Shugden's aspect: worldly or not?
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2013, 07:14:00 AM »
In relation to this then Ensapa, does the same explanation apply to Nechung? I believe that in Music Delighting, hes referred to as the King of Dharma - Trijang Rinpoche was quoting another lama on this matter if I remember correctly. But for all accounts and purposes, we are taught that he is an unenlightened being. How does that match up to what Trijang Rinpoche wrote about?

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Re: Dorje Shugden's aspect: worldly or not?
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2013, 07:26:19 AM »
Hey,
It is not uncommon for enlightened beings to emanate in worldly forms and this is done entirely for the benefit of beings and what they need at specific times and places. At this time, we have a stronger karmic connection with Dorje Shugden, and he manifests in this worldly form to be "closer" to us. This might be likened perhaps, to the way in which tulkus emanate in human forms (the nirmanakaya form) so that they can be physically closer to us.

Again, this is not merely because the Buddhas are fickle, or dependent on the abilities of the Buddhas. They will always help us but we are of this karmic disposition at the moment that is most probably unable to perceive the Buddhas directly. It's not that the Buddhas do not want to appear to us to help us, but that we do not have enough merit or positive karma to support us being able to receive that help. So out of great compassion, the Buddhas manifest in these "lower" worldly forms, such as as tsens, yakshas (like the Dharmapala Setrap) and our own dear Lamas. It is said in the scriptures that Buddhas might even assume the form of inanimate objects like bridges, or as animals - whatever it is that will help us at this time to develop enlightened qualities or further our spiritual path. Whatever their appearance though, we are sure of their entirely enlightened natures - such as that of Dorje Shugden's fully enlightened Buddha mind.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Dorje Shugden's aspect: worldly or not?
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2013, 08:07:25 AM »
In relation to this then Ensapa, does the same explanation apply to Nechung? I believe that in Music Delighting, hes referred to as the King of Dharma - Trijang Rinpoche was quoting another lama on this matter if I remember correctly. But for all accounts and purposes, we are taught that he is an unenlightened being. How does that match up to what Trijang Rinpoche wrote about?

Actually, if we are to see Dorje Shugden as being enlightened, we have to see Nechung in the same way as well because he was the one who convinced Duldzin Dragpa Gyaltsen to be a Dharma protector. If we want to see Nechung as unenlightened, then his decision to ask Duldzin would be a wrong one. If Trijang Rinpoche says that Nechung is enlightened, we dont need to dispute it, perhaps for us, holding this view would be more beneficial and we might be able to receive lineage blessings by holding this view. The same logic can be applied to Tsiu Marpo and entourage. The only exception to this rule is if our direct Guru teaches us that Nechung is not enlightened and we should view him as such.

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Re: Dorje Shugden's aspect: worldly or not?
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2013, 11:32:50 AM »
In relation to this then Ensapa, does the same explanation apply to Nechung? I believe that in Music Delighting, hes referred to as the King of Dharma - Trijang Rinpoche was quoting another lama on this matter if I remember correctly. But for all accounts and purposes, we are taught that he is an unenlightened being. How does that match up to what Trijang Rinpoche wrote about?

Actually, if we are to see Dorje Shugden as being enlightened, we have to see Nechung in the same way as well because he was the one who convinced Duldzin Dragpa Gyaltsen to be a Dharma protector. If we want to see Nechung as unenlightened, then his decision to ask Duldzin would be a wrong one. If Trijang Rinpoche says that Nechung is enlightened, we dont need to dispute it, perhaps for us, holding this view would be more beneficial and we might be able to receive lineage blessings by holding this view. The same logic can be applied to Tsiu Marpo and entourage. The only exception to this rule is if our direct Guru teaches us that Nechung is not enlightened and we should view him as such.

So Ensapa, are you saying that everything is right unless our Guru tells us otherwise? Even if our Guru contradicts HH Dalai Lama or HH Trijang Rinpoche? How can a wrong be right or vice versa based on one person's view? Shouldn't wrong or right be based on facts?

With your logic, if my Guru says practicing Dorje Shugden is right then, you are inferring that HHDL is wrong! How can an emanation of Chenrezig be wrong?

I am asking merely to clarify and learn...

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Re: Dorje Shugden's aspect: worldly or not?
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2013, 01:06:48 PM »
Trijang Dorjechang says that Dorje Shugden shows the aspect of a worldly being. Je Kelsang Gyatso Rinpoche says in his commentary that this is incorrect; that Dorje Shugden's aspect reveals all the stages of the path of Sutra and Tantra.

Any thoughts?

Hi psylotripitaka,

I think what Trijang Rinpoche is trying to say is that Dorje Shugden emanates or appears as worldly but in actuality he is not, hence what GKG says is correct! His worldly form is just a method He is using to bridge us to have a closer connection to Him. So when we have a very close friend, right next to us, we may get quicker assistance to help us solve our mundane worldly problems that may distract us from out practice and growth in our spiritual path... if our mundane problems are solve then we can focus on of spiritual path and get quicker results in our practice.

Like what it is also said in Music Delighting by Trijang Rinpoche...

"In regard to mundane protectors, some are actually transcendent wisdom supra?mundane protectors just exhibiting the form of a worldly deity, while others are actually mundane deities, in fact. Supra?mundane or transcendent wisdom Protectors would include Six Armed Swift Wisdom Mahakala who is of a nature of Arya Avalokiteswara; the five Yab?Yum Four Faced Mahakalas who are of a nature of Shri Chakrasamvara and the four Mothers; Tent Mahakala who is of a nature of Hevajra; Palden Mag Zor Ma, who is the goddess Saraswati revealing a wrathful aspect, and so forth. A protector who exhibits a worldly aspect yet is in fact indivisible from Manjusri Yamantaka is this very Dharma Protector, Mighty Gyalchen Dorje Shugden."

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Re: Dorje Shugden's aspect: worldly or not?
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2013, 01:16:46 PM »

So Ensapa, are you saying that everything is right unless our Guru tells us otherwise? Even if our Guru contradicts HH Dalai Lama or HH Trijang Rinpoche? How can a wrong be right or vice versa based on one person's view? Shouldn't wrong or right be based on facts?

With your logic, if my Guru says practicing Dorje Shugden is right then, you are inferring that HHDL is wrong! How can an emanation of Chenrezig be wrong?

I am asking merely to clarify and learn...

Hahaha! I am not Ensapa but I found what you said quite funny and at the same time perplexing as there are a lot in Buddhism that seems to contradict each other. It is not just a problem that comes to us from different teachers but also it comes to us through the Buddha's teachings as well. The Mahayana, Theravaden and Vajrayana often have many conflicting teachings that more often then not, confuses practitioners when no proper explanation is given.

I once heard an explanation that clarified everything and instantly, I understood the mess and confusion. The Buddha's teachings are meant to be taken and applied much in the same way a patient would take medication in order to heal ourselves. So, medication for flu would be different for medication for a sore throat. These medications should not be confused or they would have no result of adverse result if the wrong medication is taken. Hence, the Buddha's teachings are just like that with each set of teachings and tradition meant for a certain group of people and that it would benefit them.

Hence, I would apply the same concept on the confusion on Dorje Shugden as well. Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche's writings was meant for an educated readership of monks, Geshes and Scholars. Meanwhile,  Geshe Kelsang Gyatso's teaching was not a conflicting statement but one that involves educated ordinary practitioners who are into the practice to realize the qualities of enlightened nature of Dorje Shugden. Hence, Ensapa's earlier explanation on the nature of Dorje Shugden is pretty good as well. 
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Re: Dorje Shugden's aspect: worldly or not?
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2013, 04:35:01 PM »
Very wonderful responses. I'd been wondering about it for a long time. Thanks for your insights!!

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Re: Dorje Shugden's aspect: worldly or not?
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2013, 06:32:03 PM »
The very fact the teacher (Trijang R) and disciple (Geshe Kelsang)conflict in their thoughts about Shugden shows clearly Shugden creates conflicts.

I am sorry to not agree with Shugden being a proper vessel to propitiate. We can debate till the cows come home, but seriously. Who are we to believe? :-\ I personally choose the perspective of His Holiness Dalai Lama for the simple reasoning his 'arguments' against Shugden make more sense to me and many others.



Trijang Dorjechang says that Dorje Shugden shows the aspect of a worldly being. Je Kelsang Gyatso Rinpoche says in his commentary that this is incorrect; that Dorje Shugden's aspect reveals all the stages of the path of Sutra and Tantra.

Any thoughts?

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Re: Dorje Shugden's aspect: worldly or not?
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2013, 06:49:25 PM »
There you are Tenzin Gyatso. We were hoping to hear more from you.

Other posts in this thread have given clarification. The difference in description is irrelevant to the debate you're referring to. Buddhas show both aspects, and while Dorje Shugden does look like a human monk (usually), all the aspects of his form teach the stages of the path.

The difference between the DL explanation and that of these two holy Masters that have pure Guru samaya is that the DL's view and subsequent actions have lead to tremendous suffering and the degeneration of Buddhadharma and its reputation, whereas the latter views and their actions have lead to tremendous Beauty and Kindness.

You cannot escape facts that speak for themselves! Psychologists and psychiatrists say people who do so are 'in denial' and if they continuously act in harmful ways by disregarding the facts, this is referred to as a sign of psychosis. Time to stop the abuse, start being nice, apologize for all the fucked up things, and rectify the situation. It's never too late to change our actions towards others!

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Re: Dorje Shugden's aspect: worldly or not?
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2013, 06:59:17 PM »
By the way, Trijang Dorjechang's explanation does not say he is showing the aspect of an evil spirit.

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Re: Dorje Shugden's aspect: worldly or not?
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2013, 07:06:33 PM »
The very fact the teacher (Trijang R) and disciple (Geshe Kelsang)conflict in their thoughts about Shugden shows clearly Shugden creates conflicts.

How about the fact that the teacher (HH Trijang Rinpoche) and disciple (HH Dalai Lama) have conflict in their thoughts about Shugden? Is that caused by Shugden when the conflict was in actuality started by the disciple?

I am sorry to not agree with Shugden being a proper vessel to propitiate. We can debate till the cows come home, but seriously. Who are we to believe? :-\ I personally choose the perspective of His Holiness Dalai Lama for the simple reasoning his 'arguments' against Shugden make more sense to me and many others.

I find the arguments against Shugden to have zero sense. It is so easy to refute the Dalai Lama's criticisms on Dorje Shugden and these three below are my favorite.

1. HH Dalai Lama says that Dorje Shugden shortens his life. This is definitely not true as the Dalai Lama is now 77, healthy and he himself says that he will live to 90!

2. HH Dalai Lama says that Dorje Shugden is a spirit. This is impossible as Dorje Shugden is an emanation of Manjushri. If he was a spirit, the Dalai Lama should just subdue him. Why does he not?

3. HH Dalai Lama says that Dorje Shugden is a spirit because the Fifth Dalai Lama said so. well, if we look at the history of Dorje Shugden, the Fifth Dalai Lama did think Dorje Shugden was a spirit and tried to subdue him but when the great masters could not subdue him, the Great Fifth realized that Dorje Shugden was not a spirit but a Buddha and proof of this is when the Great Fifth built the first chapel to Dorje Shugden in Tibet called Trode Khangsar and wrote prayers to him.
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Re: Dorje Shugden's aspect: worldly or not?
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2013, 07:40:16 PM »
Just to add, this is a very comprehensive refutation of the reasons for the Dalai Lama's ban on Dorje Shugden:

http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-dalai-lamas-reasons-for-the-ban-and-refutations-of-these-reasons/

1. Dorje Shugden practice is not “religion”, it is “spirit worship”
To say that Dorje Shugden practice is “not religion” but “spirit worship” is plainly insulting to many peoples’ beliefs on different levels – not only to Buddhist practitioners of Dorje Shugden (who are not spirit worshippers) but also to other practitioners of other religions worldwide that may include spirit worship, including the ancient Bon tradition of Tibet.

Most of the hundreds of thousands of people who rely upon Dorje Shugden are pure Buddhists in the tradition of Je Tsongkhapa, the founder of the Gelug tradition of Tibetan Buddhism. Others are pure Buddhists in the Sakya and Nyingma traditions of Tibetan Buddhism.

Dorje Shugden is considered by them to be a Dharma Protector, an emanation of the Wisdom Buddha Manjushri, whose specific function is to protect the Buddhist or “Dharma” realizations or experiences in practitioners’ minds.

The Dalai Lama travels the world expounding religious tolerance but doesn’t recognize the contradiction in his words and intolerant actions against fellow Tibetans in banning an ancient religious practice dear to their hearts.

Many great Buddhist Teachers or Lamas, including the Dalai Lama’s own principal teacher Trijang Rinpoche, wrote long proofs showing how this Buddhist Deity was special and has a long history of protecting the Dharma, Buddha’s teachings. The fact that numerous past and current Lamas (including even the Fifth Dalai Lama!) have recognized Dorje Shugden as a Deity worthy of “worship” is enough recognition for their followers.

Indeed, determining whether Dorje Shugden is a Buddha or not is beyond the scope of public policy. Nevertheless, many have chosen to follow the beliefs expounded by many high Lamas pre-dating and contemporary with the Dalai Lama who claimed and continue to claim that he is a Buddha. To insult these beliefs and these great Masters is not religious tolerance.

[Also, on another level of irony, this accusation indeed appears a bit bizarre when one remembers that the only monastery/temple dedicated entirely to a spirit is Namgyal monastery. This is the Dalai Lama's personal monastery, where Nechung abides, who has been declared a worldly spirit by the Dalai Lama himself, the Dalai Lama having also clearly stated that Nechung's oracular advice is not always reliable. Nevertheless, Nechung is propitiated with big offerings and rituals daily at Namgyal monastery, and is invoked through various oracle mediums very often - some say more than ever. If we look at the completely and utterly contradictory statements Nechung has made about Dorje Shugden when advising the Dalai Lama to give up the practice, or the disastrously wrong prediction that Tibet would be free by the year 2000, one might indeed worry about spirit worship in seemingly unexpected places!]

2. Dorje Shugden practice causes the degeneration of the pure Nalanda tradition
The Dalai Lama claims that he follows the “Nalanda Tradition”, and this Deity somehow causes the degeneration of that, yet gives absolutely no reason or proof to back up this claim.

Ironically, does the Dalai Lama happen to know who was the last Abbot of Nalanda? It was Shakya Shri Bhadra, who was the previous incarnation of Buton, who was the previous incarnation of Dulzin Dragpa Gyaltsen, who later appeared as Dorje Shugden. There is no way around this.

The Dalai Lama is the one who is degenerating Buddhism by taking the view of the state oracles that Dorje Shugden is an evil spirit (see below) over the view of his own principal teacher or root Guru, Trijang Rinpoche. (In Buddhism, relying upon the spiritual guide is said to be “the root” of the Buddhist path to enlightenment.) Trijang Rinpoche always maintained that Dorje Shugden is an enlightened being and, according to close disciples, was “disappointed” when the Dalai Lama gave up the practice (the Dalai Lama waited for Trijang Rinpoche to die before he instigated the ban).

The major degeneration that is happening is the unprecedented conflict, which can easily be verified with accounts of the discrimination and disharmony in the Tibetan settlements and monasteries. The communists destroyed many monasteries, yet the tradition on the inside flourished quite well under the leadership of Trijang Rinpoche and Ling Rinpoche (the Dalai Lama’s teachers, both Dorje Shugden practitioners) and other great Lamas (many of them Dorje Shugden practitioners) in exile.

What is happening now, through the will to mislead and incite disharmony with heavy-handed political actions, discrimination, and wrong information, is ruining many thousands of people’s lives. It has caused unprecedented problems in the monasteries in South India and continues to torment practitioners in Tibet, India and all over the world.

3. The Fifth Dalai Lama considered Dorje Shugden to be an “evil spirit” (and the Thirteenth Dalai Lama banned the practice)
It actually does not matter what view people hold of Dorje Shugden. It is still against the Indian Constitution, the Tibetan Constitution and the UN Declaration of Human Rights to prevent freedom of worship of any Deity. Belief is personal and an unassailable human right. People are free to worship a tree, if they so choose.

But there are layers of irony in using the Fifth Dalai Lama as a reason for holding Dorje Shugden to be an evil spirit. In the interview, the Dalai Lama doesn’t even provide half of the story – namely that the Fifth Dalai Lama wrote in his own autobiography that the so called “evil spirit” arose from a highly respected Lama, Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen, who was murdered by the Fifth Dalai Lama’s administration; and that later in the Fifth Dalai Lama’s life he changed his mind about the nature of Dorje Shugden and wrote a prayer to him as an enlightened Protector. He also offered a temple in Lhasa to him called Trode Khangsar that is still there today, and created a statue with his own hands and placed it at a monastery called Phelgyeling (in Nepal, which is now in the process of being destroyed by the Dalai Lama’s followers).

Elsewhere, the Dalai Lama claims that he is also following the tradition of the Thirteenth Dalai Lama in banning the practice. However, the Thirteenth Dalai Lama never banned the practice. After condemning Dorje Shugden, the Thirteenth Dalai Lama is said to have changed his mind on the issue and taken up the practice himself (Exploring New Religions, page 239).

The biography of the Thirteenth Dalai Lama does not mention any ban of Dorje Shugden or his oracle. On the contrary, it mentions advice given by Dorje Shugden through the oracle at Tromo Dungkar Gonpa, which the Thirteenth Dalai Lama appreciated and followed, compiled by Phurchog Yongzin Thubten Jampa Tsultim Tenzin, Dharamsala, 1984, pp. 621, 630 and 648). Moreover, at no time did the Thirteenth Dalai Lama close Trode Khangsar in Lhasa, a residence of Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen that the 5th Dalai Lama had authorized to be turned into a special Protector temple for Dorje Shugden.

The Thirteenth Dalai Lama had great faith in Tomo Geshe Rinpoche, a well-known Dorje Shugden practitioner, whom he called “a manifestation of Je Tsongkhapa.” According to page 620 and 649 of the Thirteenth Dalai Lama’s autobiography, Dorje Shugden came spontaneously through the Tromo Dungkar Gonpa Oracle in trance in front of Tomo Geshe Rinpoche and informed him that there was danger from foreign aggression toward Tibet. Dorje Shugden advised renovating two stupas, “the eastern and western one”. Upon receiving the message, the Thirteenth Dalai Lama immediately renovated the great golden stupa at Ganden and the Potala in Lhasa. The Potala is huge, so this was no small feat! In his autobiography, the Thirteenth Dalai Lama praised Tomo Geshe Rinpoche for having helped to avert a possible national crisis.

In any event, even if the Dalai Lama were right on this (which he is not), the 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th Dalai Lamas did not ban the practice, so the preponderance of precedent is towards allowing the practice.

4. Many past Lamas have considered Dorje Shugden to be an evil spirit
The Dalai Lama makes a brief mention in this interview that reflects a number of claims suggesting that important Lamas over the last 370 years have warned against Dorje Shugden. These claims are all unsubstantiated and the evidence he has provided does not even circumstantially make this case against Dorje Shugden. The Fifth Dalai Lama’s example is given above. Phurchok Ngawang Jampa doesn’t say anything about Shugden or “Dholgyal” in his history of the four great monasteries. Trichen Ngawang Chokden never mentions Dholgyal specifically. All Yongzin Yeshi Gyaltsen mentions is a “new protector”; there is nothing about Shugden or “Dholgyal” in his work. Far from saying harm comes from Dorje Shugden, in his collected works Ngulchu Dharmabhadra answers a question about Dholgyal and Ganden Lha Gyema in which he confirms that Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen is Dorje Shugden, appearing as a wrathful Manjushri (a Wisdom Buddha). And so on.

5. This has remained “very controversial worship” for more than 370 years
The Dalai Lama has failed to provide anything to substantiate this claim. The controversy has only unfolded in the past 30 years after the Dalai Lama spoke out publicly against the practice of Dorje Shugden, even though it is a private practice. Instead of trying to resolve any dispute about this privately in any discussion with any person, including his own teachers, he took it into the public sector as a divisive issue.

Dorje Shugden was even practiced by Nyingma adherents (who he supposedly attacks) for many generations in Gyasumdo, Nepal with no conflict of sects. This was described in anthropologist Stanley Mumford’s work “Himalayan Dialogue” in which he also observed the controversy unfolding in the late 1970?s: “Recently the Dalai Lama, as leader of the Tibetan people, has made a historic judgment. He has determined that the guardian deity called Shugs-ldan is not only too dangerous, but he also has promoted a vicious factional rivalry between the Gelugpa and Nyingmapa religious orders.” (pages 134-135. Madison: University of Wisconsin Press, 1989).

6. It “is not true” that the Dalai Lama banned Dorje Shugden practice
These words in the Interview can only be described as lies: “So then it is my duty or moral responsibility to make clear, but whether listen or not, up to them. So some people criticize me, I banned that sort of spirit worship, that is not true.”

It has not been “up to” anyone to listen or not – everyone has been forced to listen and to act, thousands and thousands of them against their wishes. And the Dalai Lama has very clearly banned the practice. See his own words on the subject over the past 30 years.

Some examples:

March 10th, 1996, during annual teachings at the Thekchen Choeling Temple in Dharamsala, the Dalai Lama imposes a ban on worshipping Dorje Shugden: “Whether outside of Tibet or within Tibet, this deity is discordant with our government and all our deities; this is serious in the context of the common cause of Tibet. It will be good if you comply (with what we are saying) without our having to resort to this last step. It will be the last resort if we have to knock on your doors if you do not follow this advice.”

November 19th-21st, 1996, the Dalai Lama travels to South India to visit Tibetan monasteries at Mundgod, without the traditional request, which is unprecedented for a Dalai Lama. The Dorje Shugden Society holds off a peaceful demonstration in the hope of reconciliation with the Dalai Lama. They petition the Dalai Lama, but they are denied an audience. The Dalai Lama speaks in even harsher terms about the ban, and threatens, “You might feel that by publishing letters, pamphlets, etc. against this ban, the Dalai Lama will revoke the ban. This will never be the case. If you take a hard stand, I will tighten this ban still further.”

The Tibetan Government in Exile and all exiled groups made policies to enforce his wishes. Petitions were sent to all Tibetan settlements requiring them to renounce Dorje Shugden in 1996.

January 13th, 1999, to monks at Trijang Labrang (the home of his teacher, now deceased) in India who questioned the ban: “There will be no change in my stand. I will never revoke the ban. You are right. It will be like the Cultural Revolution. If those who do not accept the ban do not listen to my words, the situation will grow worse for them. You sit and watch. It will grow only worse for them.”

In January 2008 he precipitated a vote through demagoguery to castigate anyone who did not sign a petition renouncing any loyalty to Dorje Shugden. As a result, many monks have been removed from the monasteries. Also a major hostel, Do Khangtsen, belonging to the monastic college of Ganden Shartse, has completely removed itself from the monastic establishment. This is unprecedented in the history of the Gelug tradition.

There has been a great deal of segregation and persecution as a result of this ban and it will continue every day until the Dalai Lama stops his hypocrisy and practices what he preaches, namely freedom of worship.

7. Dorje Shugden practice is sectarian
Since the purpose of praying to Dorje Shugden is to increase love, compassion, and wisdom and to overcome our negative minds including hatred, attachment and ignorance, there can be no link with Dorje Shugden and religious discrimination. Tolerance and respect for all other traditions is highly promoted by Je Tsongkhapa and his emanation Dharma Protector Dorje Shugden.

Sectarianism arises when one tradition imposes its views on other traditions. Shugden practitioners respect the freedom of others to practice according to their wishes. It is the Dalai Lama who is acting in a sectarian way by using the instruments of state power to enforce others to practice according to his view.

Sectarianism can also be seen in the exclusive attitude of the Dalai Lama who allows anyone in the world, Buddhist or non-Buddhist, to attend his teachings except those who pray to Dorje Shugden.

Gelugpa followers rely upon Dorje Shugden as a Dharma Protector of the Gelug sect or tradition of Je Tsongkhapa, but that doesn’t mean it is a sectarian practice. Dorje Shugden practitioners only wish for the freedom to follow their tradition in peace and there is no evidence that they have been intolerant to any other tradition. To say the practice is sectarian is again to slander many of the greatest upholders of the Buddhist teachings in the past three centuries, including the Dalai Lama’s own teacher Trijang Rinpoche.

Numerous statements have been made by current Dorje Shugden practitioners to say that they welcome and respect all traditions and the Dalai Lama has not provided any evidence to indicate that this is not the case. According to the Dalai Lama’s translator in the 1990s, Helmut Gassner: “When during an Anti-Dorje Shugden information meeting in Switzerland the Dalai Lama’s Private Secretary sketched the picture of three hundred years of trouble with these Dorje Shugden people, someone asked him to mention some of the incidents that had occurred during that time. He was unable to come up with even one.”

Also, the ritual aspects of Dorje Shugden practice are even taken from the Sakya tradition, where it was practiced widely until the 20th century. The Dalai Lama says that Dorje Shugden is against the Nyingma tradition, yet as mentioned above Dorje Shugden practice was also practiced by some Nyingma followers, who were also put under the pressure of the ban to give up the practice, as mentioned in Mumford’s book.

The accusation that this practice is sectarian is certainly now inciting vastly more sectarian division and disharmony than any privately recited requests to Dorje Shugden to simply protect the tradition of Je Tsonghapa. The Dalai Lama’s ban and subsequent persecution have brought about the greatest schism within Tibetan Buddhist history – monasteries, communities and families are divided in a way that Mao’s Red Guards from the outside could never achieve.

Being non-sectarian does not mean that you have to receive teachings from all other lineages – it means respecting all other lineages (without the sectarian actions of criticizing or discriminating against them) whilst being content with one’s own. In this respect, it is the Dalai Lama who is being sectarian and Dorje Shugden practitioners who are being non-sectarian.

8. Dorje Shugden is hostile to the Dalai Lama’s government
Another common reason not given in the Nottingham interview appears on a “Brief abstract concerning His Holiness’s the Dalai Lama’s advice regarding the practice of Dolgyal (Shugden)”, issued by the Office of Tibet, Tibet House, 1 Culworth Street, London NW8 7AF, May 2008

“History shows, and His Holiness’s investigations have confirmed, that this spirit is hostile to the Dalai Lama’s government and has been since it was founded by the 5th Dalai Lama. Especially now that Tibetans are facing a struggle for survival, it is a mistake to worship something that is hostile to the Dalai Lama’s government. Therefore, it is in the interest of Tibetans as a whole to refrain from propitiating this hostile spirit.”

That institution, i.e. the Ganden Podrang government, is defunct. It lacks any legal basis or official recognition at this point. It exists today only in the person of the Dalai Lama (and arguably his government in exile, which includes a large number of his own relatives). How can Dorje Shugden then harm that institution? The future of the Dalai Lama’s personal religious lineage is put in question only by the Dalai Lama himself, not Dorje Shugden.

No explanation is given as to how Dorje Shugden harms the institution of the Dalai Lama, there is just the claim.

If the Dalai Lama is supposed to be the political leader of all Tibetans, then his persecution of many thousands of his own people surely harms the institution more than the private prayers of individuals.

Also, for the Dalai Lama’s demand for religious freedom to have greater credibility in the eyes of the Chinese, the Dalai Lama should himself protect religious freedom, not undermine it.

The Dalai Lama’s “investigations” involve invoking Nechung through the human State Oracle, who has had the following things to say (perhaps some of these were given in a false trance? It is difficult to know.):

1st answer of the State Oracle: “Dorje Shugden a powerful deity, only to be worshipped by beings with high realizations. However worshipping this deity would upset Goddess Palden Lhamo (a superior protecting deity, who does not have an oracle)”

2nd answer of the State Oracle: “the deity is appropriate to be worshipped by an individual, but not by a group”

3rd answer of the State Oracle: “Dorje Shugden is a deity, suitable to the others, but not to the successor of the 5th Dalai Lama and those working for the Gaden Phodrang Government established by the 5th Dalai Lama.”

4th answer of the State Oracle: “Dorje Shugden is a spirit born out of a Kagyupa-monk who hated the Tibetan government, and not the incarnation of Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen”

5th answer of the State Oracle: “Dorje Shugden is the spirit of Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen, whose Samaya bond to the 5th Dalai Lama was not good, thus it is harmful for this government.”

6th answer of the State Oracle: “Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen was a good lama, whose works of composition are praiseworthy, therefore Dorje Shugden cannot be the spirit of such a master.”

7th answer of the State Oracle: “Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen himself was a false Tulku, who came to be among the candidates for the 5th Dalai Lama and failed to be chosen, but through clever tactics of his mother on the first Panchen Lama Chokyi Gyaltsen, he was recognized as the fourth reincarnation of Panchen Sonam Dragpa (the teacher of 3rd Dalai Lama), but was then born as an evil, trouble-making spirit to harm the Tibetan government.”

All in all, it is hard to see how the Dalai Lama is talking “frankly, straightforwardly and honestly”, let alone how he is being “sincere”. Once again we request him to lift the ban on this Buddhist tradition and allow everyone freedom of worship.

Moreover, even if the Dalai Lama had said “they are free to choose” (which he has not, except to Western journalists), human rights legal scholars have said when assessing religious freedom that it is not enough for somebody to be ‘free to choose’ if they cannot exercise that choice freely without fear of political, social or economic penalities. Dorje Shugden practitioners face serious penalties for their choice, thus they cannot choose freely.
Kate Walker - a wannabe wisdom Being