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i thought this was an interesting article as it shows that the CTA is inconsistent in everything, including their stand on citizenship. I also wonder how many Tibetans who are born in India realise that they can get Indian citizenship and what misguided advantage would the CTA have in keeping them stateless.

For Dorje Shugden practitioners who are discriminated against by the CTA and as a result are unable to travel, those who were born in India between January 26, 1950 and July 1, 1987 (and likely their children too) are automatically Indian citizens from the moment they were born. This is amazing because then those Tibetans are subject to the Indian constitution and law which states that there should be religious freedom for all. After all, what benefit does being a stateless Tibetan have? Is the CTA just enforcing its illusory power over its captured subjects in the Indian refugee camps?


To Be or Not Be: Should Tibetans in India Assert Indian Citizenship?
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Phayul[Saturday, April 27, 2013 11:20]

During Hu Jintao’s visit to Delhi in March 2012, about 200 Tibetans found themselves summarily detained for peacefully expressing their views. This includes well-known Tibetan activist Tenzin Tsundue, who was arrested as he was participating in a seminar, supposedly because of his past “notorious activities”. The legal authority to detain these Tibetans came under the Foreigners Act, and specifically under a 27 March 2012 order of the local Foreigners Regional Registration Office. This makes clear again that stateless Tibetans in India are merely considered “foreigners”, lacking even the protection of being officially designated as “refugees”.

Incidents such as this, we believe, show need to discuss how the Tibetan people and their exiled government plan to protect themselves if political circumstances cause them to remain in India for another generation or more.

In this editorial, we examine an important part of this discussion: whether or not some tens of thousands of Tibetans in India should assert the Indian citizenship that, as a legal matter, they have automatically held since birth.

THE LAW: Whether or Not They Realize it, Many Tibetans Have Indian Citizenship From Birth


The Delhi High Court has made clear that any Tibetan born in India between January 26, 1950 and July 1, 1987 (and likely their children too) are automatically Indian citizens from the moment they were born. Let us repeat: Any Tibetan born in India between these dates in 1950 and 1987 is already an Indian citizen. They may have to prove it (as discussed below), but this citizenship is theirs by birth, not anything they have to apply for.

In fact, this citizenship is legally theirs whether they want it or not, unless they take steps to actively renounce it.

On December 22, 2010, the Delhi High Court ruled that the Ministry of External Affairs could not deny an Indian passport to Namgyal Dolkar Lhagyari, a Tibetan refugee born in Kangra, India in 1986. Looking at the Citizenship Act of 1955, the Delhi High Court declared Lhagyari an Indian citizen by birth and ordered the ministry to reconsider her application in light of that fact. (The Court also ordered the ministry to pay Lhagyari Rs. 5,000 in costs.)

The Court held: “Having been born in India after 26th January 1950 and before 1st July 1987, the Petitioner is undoubtedly an Indian citizen by birth… The fact that in the application for an identity certificate [IC] the Petitioner describes herself as a Tibetan national will make no difference to this legal position. There cannot be a waiver of the right to be recognized as an Indian citizen by birth…. The Petitioner cannot be said to have ‘renounced’ her Indian citizenship by stating that she is a Tibetan national.”


Namgyal Dolkar Lhagyari

While the Delhi High Court’s holding only applies directly to the Delhi area, its jurisdiction includes the Home Ministry headquarters, and its ruling is based on the Citizenship Act that applies nationwide. The Court’s holding is a precedent for Tibetans anywhere in India to make the same case.

Obviously, a corollary point is that any Tibetan who was born after July 1987, or who came to India from Tibet, is not automatically an Indian citizen. And indeed the Home Ministry’s apparent policy against naturalizing Tibetans means that these individuals are likely to remain stateless.

Practical Steps to Asserting Indian Citizenship

This editorial is not intended to be a “how to” on asserting Indian citizenship (if any Tibetan wanted to) nor are we qualified to give legal advice on it. We also do not take a position on whether or not any Tibetan should take this step. Lhagyari proved her citizenship in the process of applying for an Indian passport, and this strikes us as a conclusive way.

There are many good lawyers in India, including Tibetans, who can advise on this process. Also, the Government of India has helpful information online at: http://india.gov.in/howdo/index.php For example, an Indian passport may be obtained within just seven days under “Tatkal Scheme”, upon submission of a notarized Standard Affidavit and just three of the following documents (one of which has to be from a-i):

(a) Electors Photo Identity Card (EPIC);
(b) Service Photo Identity Card issued by State/Central Government, Public Sector Undertakings, local bodies or Public Limited Companies;
(c) SC/ST/ OBC Certificates;
(d) Freedom Fighter Identity Cards;
(e) Arms Licenses;
(f) Property Documents such as Pattas, Registered Deeds etc.;
(g) Rations Cards;
(h) Pension Documents such as ex-servicemen’s Pension Book/Pension Payment order, ex-servicemen’s Widow/Dependent Certificates, Old Age Pension Order, Widow Pension Order;
(i) Railway Identity Cards;
(j) Income Tax Identity (PAN) Cards;
(k) Bank/ Kisan/Post Office Passbooks;
(l) Student Photo Identity Cards issued by Recognized Educational Institutions;
(m) Driving Licenses;
(n) Birth Certificates issued under the RBD Act; and
(o) Gas Connection Bill

Should Tibetans Assert Indian Citizenship?

On one hand, Tibetans uniformly recognize the generosity of the Indian government and people in hosting over a hundred thousand Tibetan refugees. On the other hand, India has not ratified the Refugee Convention, and has chosen not to extend full civil rights to stateless individuals living on its soil. India can act how it wants toward stateless Tibetans because it considers them merely “foreigners” or “guests”, and guests can always be asked to leave.

It is this fundamental vulnerability that drives the strongest argument for Tibetans asserting Indian citizenship. Yes, there are personal benefits to doing so. But most pressingly, the reality is that Tibetan refugees – and even the Tibetan government-in-exile (TGIE) – exist in India only with the continuing tolerance of the Indian government. As long as Tibetans remain merely stateless foreigners rather than citizens, India’s policy can change … just as Nepal’s did.

India’s current tolerance of the TGIE dates back to the personal relationship between His Holiness the Dalai Lama and Prime Minister Nehru. Nehru considered His Holiness an “honored guest.” Yet Nehru passed away in 1964; when His Holiness is no longer in his present incarnation, then the basis for this “honored guest” relationship will have disappeared.

India has certainly been incredibly generous in her treatment of Tibetan refugees. The land given (leased freely) to the Tibetans for use for their settlements is just one example. But not too far in the distant past, Nepal too was a haven for Tibetans. What will happen later if, for instance, India places greater restrictions on the TGIE to smooth relations with China? What if India starts to question the benefit of hosting an administration-in-exile run by a group of stateless refugees? What if India simply starts shutting down the TGIE’s political components, or bans certain overseas Tibetans from entering India to stymie the TGIE’s operations? Whether or not things get as bad as in Nepal, the fate of the Tibetan community will be out of its own hands.

Buddhism teaches impermanence. Prudence demands that the possibility be considered that any change in India’s policy towards the TGIE may not be for the better, as far as Tibetans are concerned.

Therefore there are several considerations on whether eligible Tibetans should assert their Indian citizenship (this is just a partial list, and other considerations are welcome):

Considerations for the TGIE:


Tibetans asserting Indian citizenship may place the TGIE’s future in India on safer ground. The functions that the TGIE carries out may change over time, based on the needs of the Tibetan refugee diaspora. The TGIE should care for Tibetan refugees so long as there is a practical need to do so. However, the TGIE’s paramount legal purpose has always been to embody the legal continuation of the sovereign government of Tibet. This is the key purpose of any government-in-exile (during World War II, some governments-in-exile were just a small office in London).

The TGIE’s ability to carry out its paramount task to hold Tibetan sovereignty must be protected. It may be safer for the TGIE to be run largely by Tibetans who hold Indian citizenship, compared to being an organization of stateless “foreigners”.

If Tibetans in India attained citizenship and became, in the eyes of the Indian government, the same as its other citizens, would there be any changes towards its land policy for Tibetan settlements? What about separate Tibetan schools? These are questions for discussion with the Indian government. It may also be argued that while the Tibetans in India are stateless and ‘registered’ as foreigners in India but not citizens of India, these Tibetans’ primary legal obligation as citizens can be seen as being towards TGIE and that this fact significantly bolsters the legitimacy of TGIE. Once these Tibetans are documented as citizens of India, their primary legal obligations as citizens will be towards India (as Tibetan Americans’ primary legal obligations as citizens are towards America, and in the event of a nationwide draft, can be called upon to take arms in American defense). On the other hand, with dual-citizenship, a Tibetan can have duties to both the TGIE (the representative of Tibet’s continuing sovereignty) and another country.

If the hundred thousand plus Tibetan refugees in India—stateless refugees waiting to go back to Tibet—became Indian citizens, will it detract urgency from the Tibetan issue, in the minds of both Tibetans and the international community? How will it be perceived inside Tibet? What are the costs and the benefits to the Tibetan community in India? Why should Tibetans in India not consider Indian citizenship when Tibetans in the west enjoy the security and benefits of citizenship while still considering themselves Tibetan?

The TGIE must continue until Tibet is again ruled by Tibetans, but we should not assume that it must always continue in its exact current form.

Considerations for Individual Tibetans:

Some (including Kalon Dolma Gyari who herself holds Indian citizenship) have argued that Tibetans remaining stateless leads to material benefits. Even if Tibetans remain stateless, however, their material position in India is fundamentally at risk once His Holiness is longer with us. Any change in India’s policy towards stateless Tibetans is unlikely to be for the better.

Additionally, it is important to weigh the material benefits of statelessness with the material benefits of citizenship. With citizenship, a large number of Tibetans born in India may no longer be treated as second-class “foreigners”, including activists or young Tibetans fired from call centers. On March 29, 2012, the Delhi High Court issued a ruling criticizing the Delhi police for rounding up Tibetan-looking Indian citizens, in addition to stateless Tibetans. By implication, the police were entirely within their rights to preventively detain stateless Tibetans, but not anyone with Indian citizenship.

As citizens, Tibetans born in India between January 1950—July 1987 would be entitled to other benefits such as an Indian passport. Other restrictions also potentially disappear; for example under the Himachal Land Act, any Indian citizen living in Himachal Pradesh (HP) prior to 1972 has the right to own land in that state. So, if a Tibetan in Dharamsala is actually an Indian citizen, and has been living in HP prior to 1972, then he/she would no longer have to resort to “benami” but can own land in his/her own name.

As citizens, there would be no need for Tibetans born in India between January 1950—July 1987 to periodically renew a Registration Certificate (RC), or to seek an Identity Certificate (IC) for foreign travel with all the burdens that carries. RC issuance is discretionary and is not a right, and the Indian government could very well decide one day that it no longer wants to renew them, even if the possibility now may seem remote.



Finally, if Tibetans were to assert their Indian citizenship, they might save their children from a life of statelessness. Their children born after 1987 may be entitled to Indian citizenship, but only by virtue of the parent’s Indian citizenship.

The current Kashag can certainly appreciate the merits of citizenship. Dicki Chhoyang holds Canadian citizenship, Dolma Gyari holds Indian citizenship, Pema Chhinjor holds American citizenship, and Lobsang Sangay holds an American Green Card (making him eligible for American citizenship).

Would This Make Tibetans Less Tibetan? No.

Legally, applying for an Indian passport does not make one any less Tibetan, because the Tibetan Charter (Tsatrim) allows for Tibetans to take other citizenship.

Societally, it is common practice for a Tibetan to hold American or Canadian citizenship, or for a Tibetan in Tibet to hold Chinese citizenship. Why not a Tibetan holding Indian citizenship? There should not be a societal double standard.

The true test of Tibetan citizenship should be whether one holds a Green Book issued by the TGIE, not whether one also has another passport.

What Role for the Tibetan Government and the Sikyong?

What next? The TGIE should make clear that it no longer subscribes to the double-standard of the past, where Tibetans in the West were encouraged to take foreign citizenship while Tibetans in India were encouraged to remain stateless as a misguided mark of patriotism. (Although then Prime Minister Samdhong Rinpoche personally disapproved of Tibetan resettlement in the west, Tibetan government policy implemented the resettlement and in fact loaned most of the first 1000 Tibetans the money for the airfare to America.) It is time to face reality. This requires a shift in attitudes, as well as TGIE policy changes.

For example, currently Tibetans in India must generally show their RC in order to get a Green Book. This policy has the (unintended?) effect of encouraging Tibetans in India to live a stateless life, and it is discriminatory. Tibetans in the West are not required to remain stateless to get a Green Book. The TGIE should revise its Green Book policy in India to do away with a requirement of an RC.

Similarly, many benefits the TGIE gives to Tibetans in India require an RC. For example, most scholarships processed by the TGIE, and admissions to Mentsekhang and Sarah Institute, generally require an RC. (Interestingly, the U.S. government’s own regulations on Tibetan Fulbright scholarships do not care whether an applicant has an RC). The TGIE’s RC requirement should be re-assessed. Does the TGIE want to limit these benefits only to truly stateless refugees rather than Tibetans with Indian citizenship? Perhaps. But before making that policy decision, it should be recognized that the current policy again has the effect of encouraging Tibetans in India to live a stateless life.

As stated, these policies might not necessarily be designed to encourage Tibetans to remain stateless, but that is certainly the practical effect. The implicit argument of this policy is that a Tibetan who takes Indian citizenship is suddenly ineligible (or unworthy) of benefits extended to other members of the Tibetan community in India. This does not sound like a compelling argument. Indeed, it seems to us that it would be more legitimate to link benefits to the possession of a Green Book (which is issued by the TGIE) rather than an RC (which is issued at the discretion of the Indian Government).

Given that half of the current Kashag holds foreign citizenship (including one Indian national) and the Sikyong holds a U.S. Green Card, it is questionable if statelessness should really be seen as a marker of patriotism. And having Indian citizenship will mean that, even if Tibetan leaders move out of India and adopt other citizenship, they can always access rights and privileges as an "Overseas Citizen of India " to put them in a much stronger position to travel, live, and work in India.

Indeed, Sikyong Sangay himself (born 1968, Darjeeling) is legally born an Indian citizen, as well as an adopted American permanent resident. However, many people remember the rhetoric about the then-candidate's IC during the 2011 election campaign, and this continues to inform some people’s attitudes about patriotism. If the Sikyong were to make a reassessment of his prior statements linking patriotism and statelessness, that would reinforce helpful attitudes to the benefit of the long-term interests of the Tibetan people.

While the TGIE deals with these policy changes, it should establish a “Task Force on Legal Status Questions for Tibetans in India”. These questions lay at the intersection of law and policy; a task force would be well-paced to review Indian law, the TGIE’s policies, and the needs of Tibetans in India. The task force should be geared practically to address issues that Tibetans face in India, including questions of citizenship, land-owning rights, and any related matter that would help establish and solidify Tibetans’ status in India.

Some Concluding Thoughts

Tibetans born in India between January 26, 1950—July 1, 1987, and likely their children, are legally Indian citizens from birth. As a matter of Indian law, Tibetans born in India during this time automatically hold Indian citizenship and retain it unless they actively renounce it. Unless one formally renounces Indian citizenship, one does not stop being an Indian citizen. As a practical matter, however, these Tibetans are viewed as stateless refugees until they actively assert their citizenship birthright.

We purposely tried to avoid taking a position on the key question of whether eligible Tibetans should assert their Indian citizenship. If they do, it may have benefits for themselves, and perhaps more significantly it may help put the TGIE on a safer foundation in the future. On the other hand, this action holds very real potential downsides, including a threat to how some may perceive the TGIE’s legitimacy, or at least how it currently operates.

Our entire editorial board, excepting one, holds American citizenship—we consider ourselves no less Tibetan because of that. We have but scratched the surface of the matter. We understand that there may be significant political or strategic issues that are not addressed in this short editorial. But this is an issue that may well have material effect on Tibetan lives in India, as well as significance for the continuation of both TGIE and the Tibetan struggle.

We urge all Tibetans, and the TGIE, to engage in a serious debate on this issue while there is still time. This should include the TGIE’s establishment of what we propose as a Task Force on Legal Status Questions for Tibetans in India.

Submitted by the Editorial Board of the Tibetan Political Review

The views expressed in this piece are that of the author and the publication of the piece on this website does not necessarily reflect their endorsement by the website.
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Re: To Be or Not Be: Should Tibetans in India Assert Indian Citizenship?
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2013, 02:04:46 PM »
What are the odds of CTA and the Tibetans in exile gaining independence of Tibet (now Tibetan Autonomous Region of China)?  In reality it is unlikely for China to give up Tibet!  How long more will the Indian government extend their hospitality to host the hundred thousand Tibetan refugees?  India has not ratified the Refugee Convention, and has chosen not to extend full civil rights to stateless individuals living on its soil.  India has the right to ask the stateless Tibetans to leave India.

It is truly generous of the Indian government to offer citizenships to Tibetans who are born in India between January 26, 1950 and July 1, 1987.  Considering the facts above, rather than remaining stateless and being treated as foreigners in India, Tibetans concerned should assert their Indian citizenships while it is still available.  At least Tibetans holding Indian citizenship can enjoy the benefits of the citizenship.   

Tibetans who practise Dorje Shugden should assert the Indian citizenship in order to enjoy greater religious freedom to practise Dorje Shugden which is not currently accorded to them by CTA!

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« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2013, 03:13:01 PM »
I feel for the Tibetans refugees who are currently seeking refuge in India. It is very kind of the Indian Government to have allowed the Tibetans to stay in India for the longest time since the China invasion into Tibet. Yes I do think China is not going to let go off Tibet and i do not think anything like CTA government reclaiming back Tibet will happen anytime soon or later. It is a gone case for me really. I think whoever that is eligible should choose to assert the Indian citizenship for this very reason. After all they have been living in India for so long, and this offer do not come many times.

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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2013, 05:05:22 AM »
If I were a Tibetan living in India, I would logically apply for Indian Citizenship if I cannot migrate overseas. This article is obvious written before the switch over from Tibetan Government in Exile to the downgraded status of Central Tibetan Administration. Why is it a downgrade? That's because, no countries including India is recognizing the status and rights of the Tibetan people.

It is very obvious and the current Tibetan administration is doing nothing concrete to pursue Tibetan rights in India nor are they looking towards returning to Tibet proper. So, why should I pin my hopes and future on a non-existing government and a stateless existence. On top of that, if I were a Dorje Shugden practitioner, there's no way, I could still live within the Tibetan community. The Tibetan people has never been this fragmented and isolated due to politics. Just blind nationalism is idealistic and foolish. I am sure the many wealthier Tibetans have seen this and have made arrangements to leave or have already left.

Once the Dalai Lama leaves, it would further weaken the CTA and even more Tibetans would have to flea or be absorbed into India.

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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2013, 11:29:00 AM »
If I were a Tibetan living in India, I would logically apply for Indian Citizenship if I cannot migrate overseas. This article is obvious written before the switch over from Tibetan Government in Exile to the downgraded status of Central Tibetan Administration. Why is it a downgrade? That's because, no countries including India is recognizing the status and rights of the Tibetan people.

It is very obvious and the current Tibetan administration is doing nothing concrete to pursue Tibetan rights in India nor are they looking towards returning to Tibet proper. So, why should I pin my hopes and future on a non-existing government and a stateless existence. On top of that, if I were a Dorje Shugden practitioner, there's no way, I could still live within the Tibetan community. The Tibetan people has never been this fragmented and isolated due to politics. Just blind nationalism is idealistic and foolish. I am sure the many wealthier Tibetans have seen this and have made arrangements to leave or have already left.

Once the Dalai Lama leaves, it would further weaken the CTA and even more Tibetans would have to flea or be absorbed into India.


I have heard from some Tibetan friends that people in Dharamsala are using whatever ways they can to migrate away from there to other countries so that they can find more money and with that, they betray their own culture and identity and neither CTA or Lobsang Sanggay or the Dalai Lama can stop this from happening: case in point, the following commercial:

Groupon - Tibet - 2011 Super Bowl Commercial Ad


It's generally known that the Tibetans do not eat fish, so Tibetan fish curry...is either the ignorance of the producers of the commercial or that the Tibetans' culture is slowly eroding and they are no longer proud to be Tibetan and want to be someone/something else. And CTA is doing nothing about it.

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I understand from numerous reading that most of the members of the CTA have secured citizenships and permanent residences in other countries. And yet, despite its obvious benefits, it would appear that the CTA still prefer for the Tibetans in exile to remain stateless, and certainly do not encourage those who qualify for Indian citizenship to take it up. I guess the CTA's only way to draw attention of the world population is the plight of its refugee-citizens and for sure the Tibetan cause would lose some of its appeal and urgency if the Tibetans were to move on with their lives, leaving the Tibetan cause an utopian if not vacuous pursuit.

To date, we have seen little done by the CTA for its own people. Education, career opportunities and freedom of expression and even religion, remain something of a pipe dream amongst the exiled Tibetans as te CTA wax lyrical about Tibetans' human rights. The CTA seems to be serving itself much more than its people.

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I understand from numerous reading that most of the members of the CTA have secured citizenships and permanent residences in other countries. And yet, despite its obvious benefits, it would appear that the CTA still prefer for the Tibetans in exile to remain stateless, and certainly do not encourage those who qualify for Indian citizenship to take it up. I guess the CTA's only way to draw attention of the world population is the plight of its refugee-citizens and for sure the Tibetan cause would lose some of its appeal and urgency if the Tibetans were to move on with their lives, leaving the Tibetan cause an utopian if not vacuous pursuit.

To date, we have seen little done by the CTA for its own people. Education, career opportunities and freedom of expression and even religion, remain something of a pipe dream amongst the exiled Tibetans as te CTA wax lyrical about Tibetans' human rights. The CTA seems to be serving itself much more than its people.

Obviously the CTA would like to promote a certain degree of 'tibetan identity' for the Tibetans and by that, it means that the Tibetans should preserve their Tibetan nationality, but to me that is just insecurity that arises from the knowledge that the CTA did nothing at all for the real happiness of the Tibetans, or for Tibetans im general and they are just trying to hang on to it as a token just so that they can appease their own shallow insecurity.

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If I were a Tibetan refugee living in a foreign land, I would jump to the chance upon being offered citizenship let alone India where many of the Tibetans have been living in since the Chinese invasion. Many of us would have realised that CTA is fighting a losing battle to reclaim Tibet. Perhaps it is already a case closed, I reckon. Instead of still hanging on to resorting to a refugee status, why not opt for a sensible option of taking up India’s citizenship? I do not believe this is a betrayal to your people but it is more of a survival reason. And if the Tibetans are Dorje Shugden practitioners whom I think mostly are it is even better as this will enable them to have the freedom to practice Dorje Shugden. My two cents worth of opinion.

 

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Fully agreed with Rihanna & Big Uncle. If I were a refugee living in India and eligible to apply for India Citizenship, I would quickly take this chance if I cannot migrate overseas. With an Indian passport, it would be easier to travel to other countries rather than just as a stateless Tibetan.  I hope the monks and lamas see this and be a Indian citizenship rather than a stateless Tibetan so that it is easier for them to go around and spread Dharma all over the world.

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If I were a Tibetan refugee living in a foreign land, I would jump to the chance upon being offered citizenship let alone India where many of the Tibetans have been living in since the Chinese invasion. Many of us would have realised that CTA is fighting a losing battle to reclaim Tibet. Perhaps it is already a case closed, I reckon. Instead of still hanging on to resorting to a refugee status, why not opt for a sensible option of taking up India’s citizenship? I do not believe this is a betrayal to your people but it is more of a survival reason. And if the Tibetans are Dorje Shugden practitioners whom I think mostly are it is even better as this will enable them to have the freedom to practice Dorje Shugden. My two cents worth of opinion.

I dont really think that the Tibetans outside of Dharamsala would really care much about CTA at all, and of course they would prefer to have citizenship from another country outside of Dharamsala. the CTA is not an official government and they do not have any power or privileges to grant their citizens, if they could even do something like that in the first place. The more compassionate solution would be to encourage them to take up india's citizenship so that they will have privileges instead of remaining stateless.

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« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2013, 11:04:59 AM »
It looks like the unanimous consensus is for the Tibetans in exile to take up Indian citizenship. I fully agree with this. Under Indian law, Tibetans - especially Dorje Shugden practitioners -  would have more protection and entitlements - especially to travel. More importantly, Dorje Shugden practitioners would have their right to religious freedom which they currently do NOT have under the CTA's draconian laws.

As I said - it is probably because the Tibetans in exile do NOT know that they are entitled to Indian citizenship. There should be no social stigma against Indian citizenship since many Tibetans in other countries like US, Canada, UK, Europe have taken citizenship in those countries. Why not in India unless the CTA has some hidden agenda to keep its people stateless??

However, it is interesting to note that Sikyong Lobsang Sangay himself is apparently still stateless... "Born in a refugee camp in India and educated in the U.S., Sangay holds no passport or nationality, only a travel certificate." (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2095608,00.html#ixzz2TAZqUpcD )
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Re: To Be or Not Be: Should Tibetans in India Assert Indian Citizenship?
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2013, 11:50:39 AM »
It looks like the unanimous consensus is for the Tibetans in exile to take up Indian citizenship. I fully agree with this. Under Indian law, Tibetans - especially Dorje Shugden practitioners -  would have more protection and entitlements - especially to travel. More importantly, Dorje Shugden practitioners would have their right to religious freedom which they currently do NOT have under the CTA's draconian laws.

As I said - it is probably because the Tibetans in exile do NOT know that they are entitled to Indian citizenship. There should be no social stigma against Indian citizenship since many Tibetans in other countries like US, Canada, UK, Europe have taken citizenship in those countries. Why not in India unless the CTA has some hidden agenda to keep its people stateless??

However, it is interesting to note that Sikyong Lobsang Sangay himself is apparently still stateless... "Born in a refugee camp in India and educated in the U.S., Sangay holds no passport or nationality, only a travel certificate." (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2095608,00.html#ixzz2TAZqUpcD )


The agenda is quite simple really: as long as the Tibetans remain stateless, the CTA can keep them ignorant and under their control either by asserting their "right" to do so just because they are the Tibetan government. They know that they have no rights whatsoever as a government to govern the people, so what they do is that they 'rule' the Tibetans with ignorance and the Tibetans continue to be in this state and be manipulated by CTA in any way they like.

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Re: To Be or Not Be: Should Tibetans in India Assert Indian Citizenship?
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2013, 08:36:44 PM »
Whether or not taking up the Indian citizenship, the important point is that Dharma can be spread far and wide. This is particularly important for monks and Dharma practitioners.

Taking up the Indian citizenship will make traveling to other countries easier, as such, why not take up the citizenship?

By the way, citizenship is not permanent anyway.. :P

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« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2013, 09:05:38 AM »
Whether or not taking up the Indian citizenship, the important point is that Dharma can be spread far and wide. This is particularly important for monks and Dharma practitioners.

Taking up the Indian citizenship will make traveling to other countries easier, as such, why not take up the citizenship?

By the way, citizenship is not permanent anyway.. :P

Obviously, the Lamas should really have Indian citizenship so that they can do their Dharma work more effectively. But what we are talking about here are the lay Tibetans that are residing in Dharamsala. The monks usually would have because they would need to travel in and out of Nepal to do pilgrimages and all. Again, this is very clear proof that the CTA does not care about anyone at all except themselves because they're more concerned with having influence and power over the welfare of the people.