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Religious Apartheid in Tibetan Communities
« on: May 18, 2013, 11:23:27 AM »
Were quite fortunate in the UK what with the NHS and all. Get sick and you know your going to be treated. At least my taxes are coming back to me! But its not the same concept in the Tibetan communities though unfortunately. Get sick and what happens? First thing they do is check if you practise Shugden. Hippocratic Oath, my arse!

Or in the words of Gina Yashere, "In England, in you get sick, you go to the hospital, you dont have to think about a thing. Well you might end up in casualty for 12 hours with a bunch of pissheads but you still get treated!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M-8UhrNqVU&feature=player_detailpage#t=203s

From: http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/religious-apartheid-in-tibetan-communities/

Religious Apartheid in Tibetan Communities

Anti-Dorje Shugden sign at Loseling Clinic, Drepung Loseling Monastery

By: Mar Nee

The Loseling Altruistic Medical Association (LAMA) is a charitable medical association registered with the government of Karnataka, India. This medical association runs Loseling Clinic, at Drepung Loseling Monastery, which is supposed to provide healthcare to all Tibetans, both ordained and lay. It also conducts free medical camps in remote villages, and aims to offer more extensive medical social services in the near future.

For all the good work they are doing, it is therefore shocking that this sign is so prominently displayed at Loseling Clinic, which is supposed to be a charitable medical center, forbidding Dorje Shugden practitioners from visiting the premises. Freedom of religion in India is a fundamental right guaranteed by the country’s constitution, so how can a clinic registered with the Indian government so blatantly contradict the constitution of India and be allowed to get away with it? Does this not send out the wrong message that both the Indian Government and the Central Tibetan Administration tolerate the withholding of medical aid on the grounds of religious discrimination?

Does this not also contradict the Hippocratic Oath that doctors and physicians take, swearing to practice medicine ethically and honestly?

Loseling Clinic, located within the very prominent Drepung Loseling Monastery in South India

How can this kind of sign, which is clear evidence of religious apartheid, be tolerated anywhere, let alone in a deeply spiritual place such as a monastery? Dorje Shugden practitioners who are ill are denied medical treatment simply because they are loyal to their religious practice given to them by their Gurus. To deny someone the most basic welfare of medical aid definitely contravenes universally fundamental human rights laws, observed especially in democratic nations like India.

The ban on Dorje Shugden has had such far-reaching effects as to stop the sick from receiving treatment, the hungry from receiving food, and the young from receiving education. It has divided the monastic community, families and friends, separated students from their teachers, and even caused high lamas’ lives to be physically and violently threatened. Now, we have evidence that people’s lives are at risk because medical treatment is being withheld simply because of a person’s beliefs. How can this be at all Buddhist? It does not accord with the basic Buddhist tenets of kindness, care and equanimity.

What is interesting also is that this sign is in English as well as Tibetan. Given that all incumbent monks of the monastery and the lay Tibetan community speak Tibetan, why does it need to be in English too? Perhaps the monastery, under duress to maintain a publicly anti-Dorje Shugden stance, is subtly highlighting its distress – providing evidence of this discrimination in English could be their call for help, to request those outside of the Tibetan communities to speak on their behalf and highlight the oppression they are facing.

There are also many similar signs at shops in the surrounding village of Mundgod (where Drepung and Ganden Monasteries are both located) denying entry to Dorje Shugden practitioners, both lay and ordained. These have been displayed openly for several years. We have also been informed by friends within the monastic community at Mundgod that Shar Ganden monks have been refused service at local shops, including the Ganden Jangtse shop and Shartse bookshop, where Shugden monks have even been spat on instead of being served.

Signs like this and the apartheid-like behavior towards Dorje Shugden practitioners project a very negative image of Tibetan Buddhists. It also damages the larger Buddhist and monastic community by encouraging people to accept a disrespectful attitude towards the Sangha; what is happening with the Tibetan communities in India send a message to the world that Buddhists treat each other in such unkind and discriminatory ways, denying each other the most basic freedoms and rights just because of a religious practice.

Is a new generation of young monks being taught to discriminate against other fellow Buddhists?

It is bad enough, after all, that there is even a ban on any practice within Buddhism, a religion that is known for its tolerance, kindness and moderate approaches. To exclude any practitioner from activities and their basic civil, social and human rights cannot, in any way, be an accurate reflection of the Middle Path that is so frequently advocated by Buddhists the world over. Buddhists extend their help and prayers to “all mother sentient beings” – to animals, supernatural beings and even evil spirits. But these same Buddhists now post up public signs to turn away not only a fellow human, but a fellow Buddhist of the same tradition, possibly someone they have may studied the same lessons with, under the same teachers. How is this tolerant, kind or moderate in any way? The sages of old, including Buddha Shakyamuni himself, were not wrong in saying that Buddhism would be destroyed from within, by its own practitioners.

This kind of discrimination cannot go on. It is harmful not just to Dorje Shugden practitioners, but also to the perpetrators of this violence and ostracism. Like the terrible apartheid system in South Africa, which was only dismantled after sufficient international pressure and popular protest, we seek your support to help remove the ban on Dorje Shugden’s practice.

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Re: Religious Apartheid in Tibetan Communities
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2013, 08:01:52 AM »
It's really sad to see a hospital discriminating against a certain group of people because even in battle, the medics of a particular faction would treat even the wounded soldiers of the enemy faction. It is really unreasonable to think that a hospital treats everyone except for Dorje Shugden practitioners?! that totally breaches the hippocratic oath. Although the Dalai Lama is a very highly respected leader in both Buddhism and by the Tibetans, by no way, I believe he can/should overwrite the hippocratic oath.

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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2013, 03:21:18 PM »
One of the main core values of Buddhism is "to abide in equanimity free from bias towards all sentient beings" . How can this monastery, set up to spread and teach the BUddha's teachings put up such a signage that clearly discriminates other sentient beings ! Even hard core criminals and murderers in the eye of the law are entitled to medical treatment if they need it ! And Dorje Shugden practitioners are NOT at all any form of criminals, why should they be mistreated in this manner. How can they be denied of one of the most basic necessity in life, medicine and health care ! That's just so bizarre ! Please stop such ridiculous and unjust actions !

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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2013, 07:31:10 AM »
One of the main core values of Buddhism is "to abide in equanimity free from bias towards all sentient beings" . How can this monastery, set up to spread and teach the BUddha's teachings put up such a signage that clearly discriminates other sentient beings ! Even hard core criminals and murderers in the eye of the law are entitled to medical treatment if they need it ! And Dorje Shugden practitioners are NOT at all any form of criminals, why should they be mistreated in this manner. How can they be denied of one of the most basic necessity in life, medicine and health care ! That's just so bizarre ! Please stop such ridiculous and unjust actions !

It is very sad indeed for that sign to still be up after so long and even sadder is that this is the attitude from monks and no less, from a medical dispensary. Needless to say, what has transpired is something that goes against Buddhist principles, and even worse, against the very general and global humanitarian values which is common to all who is actually human and who understands the importance of human life. The funny part is that most Dalai Lama followers will conveniently ignore evidence like these and continue to blindly demonize Dorje Shugden with impunity.

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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2013, 09:19:37 AM »
This is just so upsetting, to know that Dorje Shugden are not able to receive medical treatment at Loseling Clinic.

It is irony how the clinic is being opened at a monastery, where dharma is practiced. I do not believe through this act they are showing compassion towards all sentient beings. Dorje Shugden practitioners would also need some kind of medical treatment at times, why should members or even a "unit of the monastery" ask Dorje Shudgen practitioners or people with connections to Dorje Shudgen practitioners to not visit? To me, it seems that they are not practicing what they preach.

Hence to say, if Dorje Shudgen practitioners practice a demonic practice, then Buddha will not help them? Nonsense, Buddha has compassion towards all.

I just think that this is a very strange notice. Reason being that even some of the practices that high lamas do, they would invite beings that no one would like to be associated to bless them and give them some offerings to please them so that they will not create chaos.

One example of the practice would be practice of Machig Labdron where one visualise themselves being cut up by a Dakini, then offered to these lower realm beings to calm their minds, and easing them.

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Re: Religious Apartheid in Tibetan Communities
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2013, 07:08:00 PM »
This is upsetting to see this kind of discrimination message on a signboard of a monastery. On top of this, this is at a clinic! Medics should be neutral and treat everyone equally. In war, this is clearly stated in the basic rule of International humanitarian law that “The wounded and the sick shall be cared for and protected by the party to the conflict which has them in its power.” How could this sign to be put on a clinic?
Besides, Buddha has taught us to have compassion to all sentient beings, regardless which realm that they are in. One of the examples is the story of  Buddha saved and helped the robber and muderer Angulimala and
Due to the compassion of Buddha, the robber and murderer Angulimala became a monk and enlightened.
Therefore, discrimination should not be done to the Shugden practitioner just because they have different view in their practice. Besides, this practice is given to them by their Guru, who are the same lineage as those in the monastery!
Please stop the discrimination! Please stop the ban! 

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Re: Religious Apartheid in Tibetan Communities
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2013, 01:08:53 AM »
Yes, it is this kind of hate and blind belief that is more or less the bane of Buddhism as it goes against all that the Buddha has taught. Heck, it even goes against humanitarianism, something so basic that is understood by all humans so it is definitely a behaviour that makes them worse than Buddhists. I really hope that they would at least change this policy so that it does not reflect badly on themselves at the end of the day. If upholding the ban can overwrite compassion and humanitarian values, something is very, very wrong and broken in the ban.

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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2013, 02:44:49 PM »
It is amazing that this kind of sign is up at a monastery, where the ethos should be equanimity and compassion for all. And that it is at a clinic, where the ethos should be medical care for all. Yet there appears to be no shame in placing this sign up, perhaps because it is backed by the CTA and the Dalai Lama, and somehow nobody questions the discrimination and illegality of this sign. Have Tibetans lost their basic human kindness as well as their independence when Tibet was taken over? Seems that way.
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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2013, 06:05:07 PM »
An hospital is an institution that provides medical and surgical treatment and nursing care for the sick or injured people.  It is also non-discriminatory.  The Loseling Altruistic Medical Association (LAMA) is not adhering to its code of conduct of a medical institution when it prohibits Dorje Shugden practitioners from visiting its premises.

When a hospital breaks its code of conduct, it means it is not ethical!  When it is unethical, it is dangerous to receive its service.  How does the hospital expect to garner the trust and reliance of its service anymore?

If discrimination could happen to Dorje Shugden practitioners, then being unethical,  Loseling Altruistic Medical Association could discriminate against any other person! 

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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2013, 04:13:35 AM »
It is amazing that this kind of sign is up at a monastery, where the ethos should be equanimity and compassion for all. And that it is at a clinic, where the ethos should be medical care for all. Yet there appears to be no shame in placing this sign up, perhaps because it is backed by the CTA and the Dalai Lama, and somehow nobody questions the discrimination and illegality of this sign. Have Tibetans lost their basic human kindness as well as their independence when Tibet was taken over? Seems that way.

It also shows at the same time how little does the CTA and the people in Dharamsala understand of the ways of the world, or the very basic principles of medicine to begin with. Such a dispensary or a medical facility should not be opened by people who do not know what medical ethics are in the first place and they should really just close down the dispensary as what they are doing is in direct contradiction and violation of the code of conduct of medicine. I really hope that they do not get karmic repercussions for such kinds of discrimination, because it does seem that they will.

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« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2013, 09:20:11 AM »
Hospitals are meant for helping people who is in need of medical treatments. Hospitals should not be a place where political and religious differences can determine a person can be treated in the place or not. Saving ones life should be deemed as community work and not to discriminate one person and deny the person's right to be treated because the person is an allegedly 'evil spirit' practitioner or is a devoted banned practice. Human is still human. that is the same case for a criminal, whatever he had done wrong, we still save them right? Whatever the punishment for the person comes later. For Dorje Shugden practitioners, there is no clear evidence that Dorje Shugden is an evil spirit. Loads of people in this world are practicing Dorje Shugden but why Dalai Lama's health/life is not affected at all??

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« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2013, 04:53:24 AM »
Hospitals are meant for helping people who is in need of medical treatments. Hospitals should not be a place where political and religious differences can determine a person can be treated in the place or not. Saving ones life should be deemed as community work and not to discriminate one person and deny the person's right to be treated because the person is an allegedly 'evil spirit' practitioner or is a devoted banned practice. Human is still human. that is the same case for a criminal, whatever he had done wrong, we still save them right? Whatever the punishment for the person comes later. For Dorje Shugden practitioners, there is no clear evidence that Dorje Shugden is an evil spirit. Loads of people in this world are practicing Dorje Shugden but why Dalai Lama's health/life is not affected at all??

And thus, such hospitals should not even exist. They do not honor the medical code that is required of all medical practitioners which is to value lives first over everything else. If the entire reason on why to practice medicine is only to provide care for only a certain group of people, then what is the whole point? It is discriminatory and it goes against the principles of medicine, which is to save lives. I am thankful that CTA does not take over Tibet, or else, they would make a mess out of it as they are already a mess themselves now.

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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2013, 04:33:53 PM »
With that sign it also shows how "humane" these people from the clinic is. Letting so many die for the sake of long life and health of one person?

Even if this one person is the Dalai Lama, but they should still not let thousands of innocent people die because of the ban. And since these people are DS practitioners mean that they should all die and not be helped even if they need medical attention? This is just total nonsense to me.

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« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2013, 03:33:55 AM »
With that sign it also shows how "humane" these people from the clinic is. Letting so many die for the sake of long life and health of one person?

Even if this one person is the Dalai Lama, but they should still not let thousands of innocent people die because of the ban. And since these people are DS practitioners mean that they should all die and not be helped even if they need medical attention? This is just total nonsense to me.

It also shows how backwards in mentality they are and how little they understand about medicine and healing. You cannot be selective in who you want to heal because that violates the medical code and ethics. No matter which culture or which country you are in, it is always the same: heal first, then discriminate. Even in wars, the medic is also supposed to heal the wounded of the other team because human life is more important. With this, we can see that they are not able to value human life at all, or understand the importance.

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« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2013, 04:37:52 PM »
I agree that their attitude is really bad, they have not improved themselves at all.

With all that dharma being taught and they can still discriminate like that. It is just so sad to see them separating their own people and community like that. No matter what, a life is important, be it human or animal. We are all the same.