Dromo or Dromo ?

[whitelion]

As we all know, a lot of problem arise from the Dorje Shugden ban, one of the issue is identification of lama. Based on the history, Tibetan government or HHDL's office is famous of removing certain lama name or position when one's name becoming very famous, for example: Tulku Dragpa Gyeltsen, a great master of Drepung, who  was also an emanation of Manjushri lineage, his name was totally removed from the Tibetan History or the great lama list due to his fame is as high as HH the 5th Dalai Lama's office.   
 
Here is another story about this powerful lama of out time, Dromo Geshe Rinpoche. The first Kyabje Dromo Geshe Rinpoche Ngawang Kalsang, the legendary figure whose previous incarnations include Shariputra, the Mahadsiddha Gayadhara, Dharmashri, Munijnana, Tönmi Sambhota, King Trisong Detzen, Dromtönpa, Milarepa, Khedrup Rinpoche, and Dragpa Gyaltsen, was known throughout Tibet and the Himalayan region for his immense kindness, humility, great deeds, and non-sectarian attitude.

Second Kyabje Dromo Geshe Rinpoche Ngawang Jigme was born on January 22, 1937, near Gangtok, Sikkim, His father, Enchey Kazi Rabten Phuntsog of the Barphungpa family, knew the previous Domo Geshe Rinpoche who had stayed in Gangtok on his frequent pilgrimages to India. At three years of age Ngawang Jigme was recognized by Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche and Kyabje Trijang Dorje Chang as the reincarnation of Domo Geshe Rinpoche Ngawang Kalsang.

After the passing of the second Kyabje Domo Geshe Rinpoche it was the heartfelt wish and responsibility of his monk and lay disciples to find his true reincarnation, so early in 2002 the Ghoom Dun Samten Choling Association, which is the umbrella association of Domo Geshe Rinpoche’s monasteries in India, established a Reincarnation Search Committee. (The monks who belonged to this committee had already in 2001 requested His Holiness the Dalai Lama to compose a prayer for the early return of the reincarnation of Domo Geshe Rinpoche, but His Holiness’ Office had denied the request.) In an official meeting convened by this committee at Samten Choling Monastery in November of 2002, representatives of Geshe Rinpoche’s monasteries, as well as representatives of the Dungkar Gonpa Society and other lay devotees, unanimously resolved to request Kyabje Trijang Chocktrul Rinpoche to coordinate the search for the Tulku and to identify him according to the tradition, as the previous Trijang Rinpoche had done for Domo Geshe Rinpoche Ngawang Jigme. Thus, this decision came naturally as an acknowledgment of the exceptional relationship that had existed between those two great masters over generations. Kyabje Trijang Chocktrul Rinpoche kindly agreed to this petition, and for the next four years the process of the search progressed as intended, following appropriate procedures.  

Yes as you all can see HH the 14th Dalai Lama's office actually rejected the request of composing a prayer for the new incarnation of Dromo Rinpoche to return, so why HH 14th Dalai Lama recognized and enthroned a new Dromo Rinpoche in Sera Je later ?

As a normal human being like myself, I have no knowledge to know which is the real reincarnation of Dromo Geshe Rinpoche, but why HH Dalai Lama's office refuse to search for the reincarnation at first and enthroned another one later? What's their motive behind this act ? Also for both previous Dromo Rinpoche are famous for their strong Dorje Shugden practice, and Dromo Rinpoche actually subdued Namkar Barzin and put him as one of Dorje Shugden's main minster. So what's the real reason Sera or HH Dalai Lama recognize a DS lama, as they are evil ? Very interesting.

Currently the 2 Dromo Geshe Rinpoche, one study in Sera Je Monastery, who abandon Dorje Shugden practice while the other one in Shar Gaden Monastery and continue his Buddhist philosophy study and Dorje Shugden practice from life times. Also by enthroned another Dromo Geshe Rinpoche in Sera, does HH Dalai Lama wanted to prove to the world that he's more accurate than his teacher HH Trijang Rinpoche and put Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche in wrong position?

By having 2 Dromo Geshe Rinpoche actually created a lot of confusion within the sangha and lay community. Example, if i am one of the student from the previous Dromo Geshe Rinpoche, who should I follow now ? By HH Dalai Lama's office enthroned another Dromo Geshe Rinpoche actually brought more problems/confusion to the students on top of the ban. 

So which one should we choose to follow ?

I will share some photos of both Dromo Rinpoche and please leave me your thought:
Pic 1, 2, 3 are the Dromo Rinpoche recognized by HH 14th Dalai Lama.
Pic 4, 5 are the Dromo Rinpoche  that recognized by HH Trijang Rinpoche, tutor of HH Dalai Lama. 

[Ensapa]

It's a new trend that has been going on these days that was inspired during the 6th Dalai Lama's time. When the real incarnation manifested the activities of a Mahasiddha, Lazhang Khan, the ruler of Tibet at that time was not happy and enthroned his own 6th Dalai Lama which was quickly rejected by the Tibetans. It does not mean that the 'fake' incarnation is fake, but it is merely another emanation of the Dalai Lama, but who has a different purpose and not meant to be enthroned as the Dalai Lama. So now we have 2 Karmapas, 2 Kundelings and 2 Domo Geshe Rinpoches, with the 'official' candidate obviously used for political purposes as we have observed the case with Kundeling Rinpoche. When he spoke out against the Dorje Shugden ban, the CTA quickly installed their own Kundeling candidate and allowed that candidate to inherit the previous Kundeling massive estate, but there is very little news of that candidate....while the 'real' one thrives in Nepal and is a very outspoken and sharp Lama.

In any case, the real Domo Geshe Rinpoche will prove himself by actions. I am not worried at all with what will happen.

[Rinchen]

It is like what Ensapa said, there are two Domo Geshe Rinpoche as his previous incarnation has manifested to two separate human forms. It might not mean that anyone of them is fake, is just that their purpose for this life is different, and together they will be able to achieve more then if there is only one incarnation.

But, it can also mean that one of them is not the real Domo Geshe Rinpoche. I highly doubt that either one of them is fake, as if that is the case it would mean that one of the high lama is wrong.

[Ensapa]

It is like what Ensapa said, there are two Domo Geshe Rinpoche as his previous incarnation has manifested to two separate human forms. It might not mean that anyone of them is fake, is just that their purpose for this life is different, and together they will be able to achieve more then if there is only one incarnation.

But, it can also mean that one of them is not the real Domo Geshe Rinpoche. I highly doubt that either one of them is fake, as if that is the case it would mean that one of the high lama is wrong.

A tulku can have millions of emanations, but usually only 5 of them are officially recognized: mind, body, speech, quality and activity. Usually the mind emanation will be enthroned as the principal reincarnation, while the rest might or might not be recognized, but they can be interchanged with the mind incarnation, but there will be a drastic difference in activity between them. It is not wrong per se, but the incorrect emanation is being placed in the wrong position so there will be little benefit at all, like how Lazang Khan's 6th Dalai Lama faded into obscurity without doing much Dharma work.

[Rinchen]

A tulku can have millions of emanations, but usually only 5 of them are officially recognized: mind, body, speech, quality and activity. Usually the mind emanation will be enthroned as the principal reincarnation, while the rest might or might not be recognized, but they can be interchanged with the mind incarnation, but there will be a drastic difference in activity between them. It is not wrong per se, but the incorrect emanation is being placed in the wrong position so there will be little benefit at all, like how Lazang Khan's 6th Dalai Lama faded into obscurity without doing much Dharma work.

I guess maybe is just that they did recognise that emanation as well, as there is another purpose for that particular emanation.

But thank you for the explanation, it really taught me some valuable knowledge.

[Ensapa]

I guess maybe is just that they did recognise that emanation as well, as there is another purpose for that particular emanation.

But thank you for the explanation, it really taught me some valuable knowledge.

from what I understand, not all emanations are meant to be recognized. Some are not as it will impede their functions and purposes. Some emanations are meant to sit on the throne and give Dharma talks, while others are meant to build bridges, some to scold others and so on. To enthrone the incorrect one would be to impede Dharma as a whole although it is not wrong. Thus you can often see that the 'incorrect' emanation will always be more quiet and low key than the 'correct' one if you observe.

[vajrastorm]

So here is another situation where there are two emanations of a highly realized master, one recognized by 14th HH Dalai Lama and the other recognized by a highly attained Lama, the incarnation of the Dalai Lama's tutor and root Guru, Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche.

To me, it is possible that both are valid as emanations, as there can be more than one emanation. Both are also recognized by high Lamas. Nonetheless, it is illogical for the Dalai Lama to refuse to compose  a prayer for the new incarnation of Domo Geshe to return, and then go on to recognize another candidate as the incarnation of the second Domo Geshe Rinpoche.

Kyabje Domo Geshe Rinpoche Losang Jigme Ngak-Gi Wangchuk  was recognized as the third Domo Geshe Rinpoche by Kyabje Trijang Choktrul rinpoche after careful divination which spanned a period of 4 years - from 2002 -2006. It is understandable and fitting that the current incarnation of Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche be the one to search for and determine the new incarnation of Domo Geshe. Both the previous incarnation of  Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche and the first Domo Geshe were close friends. It is also fitting that this new incarnation, Domo Geshe III continues to practice Dorje Shugden ,as the first and second Domo Geshe practiced Shugden. In fact , the first Domo Geshe had a famous oracle,in Dungkar Monastery, of Dorje Shugden, through whom Kache Marpo would also manifest. It was the first Domo Geshe who actually subdued Namkar Barzin, and placed him as a main DS minister

The third Domo Geshe was enthroned a couple of times and one enthronement was performed in the US home of the previous Domo Geshe. Great DS Lamas who attended this enthronement included Kyabje Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche, Gangchen Rinpoche, Kyabje Yongyal Rinpoche , Zawa Tulku Rinpoche, Michel Rinpoche . Gonsar Rinpoche and Pabongkha Rinpoche also sent representatives.

The young Domo Rinpoche has moved his ladrang  to Shar Gaden. Under Kyabje Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche's guidance and mentoring, he is currently studying there under several tutors.

His parents finally gave their consent to their only son to be trained and schooled in Shar Gaden under the guidance of Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche, after two years of many obstacles but many miraculous incidents that showed them who their son was.

Thus there is every evidence pointing to Kyabje Domo Geshe Rinpoche Losang Jigme Ngak-Gi Wangchuk as the unmistaken  third incarnation of Domo Geshe Rinpoche.
     

[Ensapa]

So here is another situation where there are two emanations of a highly realized master, one recognized by 14th HH Dalai Lama and the other recognized by a highly attained Lama, the incarnation of the Dalai Lama's tutor and root Guru, Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche.

To me, it is possible that both are valid as emanations, as there can be more than one emanation. Both are also recognized by high Lamas. Nonetheless, it is illogical for the Dalai Lama to refuse to compose  a prayer for the new incarnation of Domo Geshe to return, and then go on to recognize another candidate as the incarnation of the second Domo Geshe Rinpoche.

Kyabje Domo Geshe Rinpoche Losang Jigme Ngak-Gi Wangchuk  was recognized as the third Domo Geshe Rinpoche by Kyabje Trijang Choktrul rinpoche after careful divination which spanned a period of 4 years - from 2002 -2006. It is understandable and fitting that the current incarnation of Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche be the one to search for and determine the new incarnation of Domo Geshe. Both the previous incarnation of  Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche and the first Domo Geshe were close friends. It is also fitting that this new incarnation, Domo Geshe III continues to practice Dorje Shugden ,as the first and second Domo Geshe practiced Shugden. In fact , the first Domo Geshe had a famous oracle,in Dungkar Monastery, of Dorje Shugden, through whom Kache Marpo would also manifest. It was the first Domo Geshe who actually subdued Namkar Barzin, and placed him as a main DS minister

The third Domo Geshe was enthroned a couple of times and one enthronement was performed in the US home of the previous Domo Geshe. Great DS Lamas who attended this enthronement included Kyabje Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche, Gangchen Rinpoche, Kyabje Yongyal Rinpoche , Zawa Tulku Rinpoche, Michel Rinpoche . Gonsar Rinpoche and Pabongkha Rinpoche also sent representatives.

The young Domo Rinpoche has moved his ladrang  to Shar Gaden. Under Kyabje Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche's guidance and mentoring, he is currently studying there under several tutors.

His parents finally gave their consent to their only son to be trained and schooled in Shar Gaden under the guidance of Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche, after two years of many obstacles but many miraculous incidents that showed them who their son was.

Thus there is every evidence pointing to Kyabje Domo Geshe Rinpoche Losang Jigme Ngak-Gi Wangchuk as the unmistaken  third incarnation of Domo Geshe Rinpoche.
     

They have also recognized another Kundeling Rinpoche as well. But do you see the other Kundeling Rinpoche doing much? The 'real' Kundeling Rinpoche took drastic action such as attempting to sue the Dalai Lama in court for the Dorje Shugden ban, while the other Kundeling Rinpoche who inherited the vast riches of the previous incarnation has so far did nothing to stand out or to really benefit people. This matches the case of the 6th Dalai Lama where the 'fake' incarnation also did not do much for the Dharma compared to the 'real' mahasiddha one. In summary, enthronement of the incorrect emanation at the position will cause Dharma works to reduce.