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Does the government of China care for the Tibetan culture?
« on: July 28, 2013, 02:28:24 PM »
Who says that the Chinese Government does not care about the Tibetan culture and the Tibetan heritage?
It seems very much like the government of China cares for the Tibetan culture, contrary to what some faction would like the world to believe.

The Chinese government is supporting Tibetan monasteries and sponsoring teachings even outside of China, the government invites lamas to councils so that they can participate to the decisions taken regarding the region of Tibet, it sponsors the renovation of historical buildings, it brings water and electricity to home...

See this article from the CHINA DAILY - 18 August 2013

"Giving ancient Lhasa a facelift"

Six months' work and $244 million have restored an ancient area of the city, as Wang Huazhong and Da Qiong report

Small shops along Barkhor Street in Lhasa had not yet opened at 6 am, new lamps, adorned with an auspicious Tibetan knot, Buddhist symbols and scripture texts, cast a warm glow over those who had risen early to pray.

The devotees moved around Jokhang Temple in a clockwise direction, chanting sutras that echoed each other.

The air smelled of night rain, local flowers, and the barley and pine branches that burned in the street.

Flower vendor Drolkar, from Doilungdeche county, said: "I grew the galsang metog flowers myself. You can offer them at the temple or take some home. I'm very grateful for the recent clearance of the drainage area. Otherwise, I'd have no place to sell my flowers. Before, the sewage flooded the street when it rained."

The old urban area of Lhasa, which sprawls from the center of Barkhor Street, has a rich traditional and religious flavor. It is home to 27 temples, including Jokhang Temple, which is a World Heritage Site, and 56 vintage courtyards.

The government has renovated 1,300-year-old Barkhor Street many times before; in 2002 alone, it spent 170 million yuan ($27.6 million) on improvements.

But the infrastructure still lagged far behind the needs of the burgeoning businesses, booming religious activities and people's lives. More than 6 million tourists flock to the Tibet autonomous region annually and the population of the 1.33-square-km old town has risen to 80,000.

Before the latest renovations, cables intertwined like cobwebs hung over Barkhor's 35 alleys. Power and water supplies were inadequate and inaccessible in many areas.

The city government started the latest renovation drive, the third in recent history, in late December, investing 1.5 billion yuan in the six-months project.

Its primary aims were:
- to protect the historic heritage,
- improve the lives of the locals,
- and conserve the culture,
according to the feasibility study for the effort.

"The project's main priority was to improve the civil infrastructure and eliminate safety hazards, such as fire risks," the report said.

Infrastructure update

Nyima Tsering, 79, was born and raised on Barkhor Street and remembers clearly how the place looked when he was a child.

He said the wind blew dust into the stalls along the narrow earth road during the hot summer. At the time, Nyima Tsering's house was the property of Tashilhunpo Monastery and beggars gathered around it.

Previous renovations freed his six-members family from drinking water from a well, using a non-flush toilet and having to light candles for illumination, yet he said their lives had remained "not so convenient" until recently.

The courtyard in which he lives is home to several families, about 26 people in all, including seniors aged 80 and older. They all shared one water tap on the ground floor before the latest renovation was completed at the end of June.

Before that, water couldn't even be pumped up to the second floor.

Because the pipes were just 20 cms in diameter, the drainage system failed to discharge sewage from many households. Foul water gushed out onto the street on rainy days, Nyima Tsering said.

In all, 199 courtyards are scattered along 35 alleys in the Barkhor Street area.

Tashi Dorje, a deputy in Lhasa's city congress, said that in the old house-intensive district, sewage and the fires used for cooking and heating threatened the safety of the crowded courtyards.

The renovation project has helped change the situation, the project leaders said.

Now all the overhanging cables have been buried underground in 31 km of piping tubes and tunnels.
More than 17,000 households now have their own electricity meters, which means they no longer share the bill with other courtyard residents.

To date, 1.2 km of new water pipes have been laid and 7 km of existing pipelines have been renovated. About 650 truck-loads of mud were cleared from the drainage intakes.

Forty-six fire hydrants were installed and 2,200 km of decayed or illegally connected cables have been removed.

Yet what satisfies Nyima Tsering most is that the road he travels every day to pray has been widened and flattened. The'surface of the new roadway on Barkhor Street uses anti-slip bluestones that absorb, rather than reflect, strong sunlight and a lane in the middle of the road has been paved with smooth stones for the worshippers who prostrate themselves along its length.

More than 1,000 new street and wall lamps, all bearing Tibetan designs, have also been installed.

The old lamp bulbs were shaped like flowers, but the new designs look like prayer wheels and incorporate many Tibetan elements, such as the greeting tashi delek, which means "good fortune".

"The street was very busy and noisy. But now, I don't have to turn up the TV volume much because of the new windows," said Tsering lhamo.

The windows of her living room along Barkhor Street are double-glazed, insulating the house from noise and cold. A yellow wooden lattice painted with auspicious Tibetan signs hangs outside the window.

"I'm pleased to see that the old district has changed for good," Nyima Tsering said. "My children will live a better life and the old district will become more beautiful."

When the project was completed, the government of Chengguan district, where the renovation took place, conducted a survey to solicit public feedback on the quality of the work.

All the respondents from the 12 local communities said they were "satisfied" or "very satisfied" with the results.

The old district is the original soul of Lhasa and a mirror that showcases the city's charm and history.

Conserving heritage

Wu Yingjie, deputy Party chief of the Tibet autonomous region, asked local authorities and builders to "take peoples living conditions as the top priority, and to make the protection of the culture and heritage one of the most important tasks" during the project.

The goal was "to help the old district of Lhasa spark vital¬ity and dynamism against the backdrop of a new era", he said.

According to the project administrators, the design department conducted surveys about the old buildings and asked Tibetan architects for their guidance so the area could be "rebuilt as it originally was".

At a news conference, officials said, "The renovation rigorously abides by Tibetan culture in the choice of construction materials, range of colors and style."

"We tried to save the original facades of the buildings as much as possible," said Tsedar, deputy head of the restoration project. "We didn't make major changes if minor alternations could meet the demand. We avoided using replacement elements and moving objects around."

Structural engineer Liu Yu said before-and-after blueprints have been kept for each of the 172 buildings with unique and spectacular elements.

The Lhasa government has also invested 300 million yuan on nine major cultural protection projects, including an upgrade of the fire fighting system in Jokhang Temple and the restoration of frescos and the statues of the Four Heavenly Kings.

Only two other temples house statues of equivalent size to the Shakyamuni in Lhasa. One is Jokhang and the other is Ramoche Temple. "I'm very honored to have the opportunity to restore statues at temples with centuries of history''

He said the Four Heavenly Kings are the biggest statues in Lhasa; "Our restoration will make the statues last for a long time regardless of the cost," adding that the Four Heavenly Kings have a human look and so allow the artists license to use their imaginations.

"Despite the requirement that we should follow the body scale of the deities strictly in accordance with descriptions, we can illustrate their characters in different ways," he said.. "We give the same deity different looks. That's the amazing thing about clay"

Erik Ziarczyk, a Belgian journalist who toured the old district, said he liked it very much. "I want to walk around more to see the little stores and I also want to have dinner there in one of those little restaurants," he said. "It's all very interesting."

Palden Nyima contributed to this story



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Re: Does the government of China care for the Tibetan culture?
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2013, 10:33:05 PM »
But this is not what CTA and the westerners see it as:

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China destroys the ancient Buddhist symbols of Lhasa City in Tibet
Thursday, 09 May 2013 13:00    Yeshe Choesang, The Tibet Post International E-mail Print
Lhasa-Tibet-2013-323Dharamshala: - - Ignoring both religious freedom and the outcry of the Tibetan people, the Chinese authorities have begun demolishing the ancient capital of Lhasa, including one of the most important Buddhist sites of the city, Tibet's holiest Jokhang Temple.

Chinese authorities are planning to destroy the ancient Buddhist capital of Lhasa, and replace it with a tourist city similar to Lijiang. "Shangri-La" in Yunnan Province. Several large-scale construction projects are underway for a number of shopping malls around the Buddhist holy temple as well as underground parking at Barkhor Street.

"Traditional Tibetan buildings in this ancient city are once again facing the destruction crisis under Chinese modernization", well-known Tibetan writer Woeser told the RFA Mandarin section. She is also appealing to the global institutions, including UNESCO and Tibetans around the world to 'save Lhasa.'

Woeser, who is currently living in Beijing, has published an article on her blog-page (Sunday, May 5) with pictures of the ongoing construction in the ancient city of Lhasa. She has called for a global intervention in the serious situation in the city, where thousand year-old traditional buildings are being destroying by the Chinese in the name of modernization and social stability.

'The construction project in the areas of Barkor streets of the Jokhang temple covers an area of 150,000 square meters to use as new shopping malls and 1,117 square meters for the underground parking spaces", said the sources.

Woeser said many recent visitors already raised strong concerns over the constructions as well as the fate of Lhasa. She expressed her concern over the Chinese authorities' activities and condemned them for demolishing the ancient symbols of Tibetan civilization.

She alludes to photos of the ongoing constructions that she has received, "The photos reflect the situation in the old town of Lhasa, it is a serious matter of concern."

Woeser claims that this is an unlawful act, aiming directly at multiple targets. There is an old Tibetan saying: 'One stone for two birds', which springs to mind.

She said its not only just for economic development, there are other targets. If we look carefully at the photos of the shopping mall project, there are several requirements for alterations of the Tibetan old city, including one called 'evacuation'. This means clearing vendors from the Barkhor streets, perhaps better named 'destruction.'

The Tibetan writer said China was criticized after converting the two ancient Chinese cities; Lijiang in Yunnan and Hunan city into modern tourist cities, with both projects now widely seen as poor decisions.

In fact, such reconstruction has already occurred in Tibet. China now wants the Tibetan Autonomous Region to become like the Zhongdian City (Tibetan: Gyalthang county of eastern Tibet). After the reconstruction, Lijiang was changed to "Shangri-La", mainly to attract tourists. She said this kind of destruction has caused great damage and should be considered 'tourist colonialism'.

Previous experiences from the so-called economic development of Gyalthang County, which caused the disappearance of many Tibetan cultural symbols, including the disappearance of the customs and cultural heritage of the Tibetan people is the "most worrying matter of concern."

The Chinese government is also set to expand various so-called 'interests', including governmental and economic measures, regardless of the consequences. The regime is seeking to further "maintenance in social stability", meaning the authorities have significantly increased surveillance and monitoring in the region, particularly in Lhasa city, prompting an escalation of security measures.

The Potala Palace was added to the UNESCO World Heritage List in 1994. In 2000 and 2001, Jokhang Temple and Norbulingka were added to the list as extensions to the sites. Rapid modernization has been a concern for UNESCO, however, which expressed concern over the building of modern structures immediately around the palace, which threaten the palace's unique atmosphere.

The Chinese government responded by enacting a rule barring the building of any structure taller than 21 meters in the area. However, sources stated that there are new modern buildings higher than 21 meters to be found in the vicinity. Woeser further stated that Jokhang Temple in Lhasa City should be granted protected status under UNESCO's cultural heritage regulations.

UNESCO was also concerned over the materials used during the restoration of the palace, which commenced in 2002 at a cost in millions of dollars, although the Chinese authorities have promised that only traditional materials and craftsmanship were used.


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Re: Does the government of China care for the Tibetan culture?
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2013, 12:25:37 AM »
Dear Ensapa,
Thank you for the article.

There are no (or close to none) cities in the world where towers are not built near city centers nowadays.
We do live in a world where parking space is needed, airports, train stations, shopping malls, office buildings, hotels, etc... The balance means that we keep the ancient buildings that do make a difference and we develop new infrastructure around it.

Everybody would prefer to see old cities without the "modern" side flanking it, but then close to nobody want to give up Starbucks coffee, convenient roads and parking and the comfort of a modern hotel for it...
The result of this paradox is that ancient cities that are also tourists spots most often become a hub around which modern facilities are developed.

I may or may not like this, but it would not be fair to blame the Chinese Government for developing Lhasa in this way, as every other city in the world is doing it just like that, and it meets the demand of most actually. "We" are the one that want it like that...

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« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2013, 09:49:37 AM »
I agree with what Bonfire says - it is easy for us to demand that the city stay unchanged but who are we to say that this city should remain without good infrastructure, like upgraded electricity, water, sewage, so that it can remain quaint for tourists and photographers is unrealistic and unfair. In the UK, there are very strict rules about their renovation etc.

"A listed building, in the United Kingdom, is a building that has been placed on the Statutory List of Buildings of Special Architectural or Historic Interest. It is a widely used status, applied to around half a million buildings. The statutory body maintaining the list in England is English Heritage; Cadw (The Historic Environment Service of the Welsh Government) in Wales; Historic Scotland in Scotland; and the Northern Ireland Environment Agency (NIEA) in Northern Ireland.

The term has also been used in the Republic of Ireland, where buildings are surveyed for the National Inventory of Architectural Heritage in accordance with the country's obligations under the Granada Convention. However, the preferred term in Ireland is protected structure.

A listed building may not be demolished, extended, or altered without special permission from the local planning authority, which typically consults the relevant central government agency, particularly for significant alterations to the more notable listed buildings. Exemption from secular listed building control is provided for some buildings in current use for worship, but only in cases where the relevant religious organisation operates its own equivalent permissions procedure. Owners of listed buildings are, in some circumstances, compelled to repair and maintain them and can face criminal prosecution if they fail to do so or if they perform unauthorised alterations. The listing procedure allows for buildings to be removed from the list if the listing is shown to be in error." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listed_building

I don't know many other countries which consider the preservation of their architecture so seriously. I doubt China would be one of them as it is definitely on the economic growth drive and one of the costs of growth is heritage and culture. It is a difficult balance to achieve and i think it's not really fair for us to comment on how people go about preserving their own countries. It's like us saying that our neighbor's house is renovated very tackily.
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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2013, 02:46:50 AM »
Dear Ensapa,
Thank you for the article.

There are no (or close to none) cities in the world where towers are not built near city centers nowadays.
We do live in a world where parking space is needed, airports, train stations, shopping malls, office buildings, hotels, etc... The balance means that we keep the ancient buildings that do make a difference and we develop new infrastructure around it.

Everybody would prefer to see old cities without the "modern" side flanking it, but then close to nobody want to give up Starbucks coffee, convenient roads and parking and the comfort of a modern hotel for it...
The result of this paradox is that ancient cities that are also tourists spots most often become a hub around which modern facilities are developed.

I may or may not like this, but it would not be fair to blame the Chinese Government for developing Lhasa in this way, as every other city in the world is doing it just like that, and it meets the demand of most actually. "We" are the one that want it like that...

I would say that the main reason why is because the westerners who make these statements do not need to stay there which is why they can afford to make callous statements like these. It's easy to be the white knight and criticize others when you're not in their position. Unfortunately the westerners can only see things from only one point of view and totally be blind to the other, and so we get news like these and hundreds  and thousands of other westerners crying on how China is destroying Tibet.

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« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2013, 09:15:53 AM »
We most often try to distinguish the bad side from the good side.
A filter that we automatically apply to the situation in Tibet, like there must be a good side - that is the side of the martyrs, and a bad side - that is the side of the oppressors.
Then we tend to see the bad side as black and hopeless and the good side as white and totally right.
Well, the reality is not so simple.

First, there are no "sides".
Second, there are no "sides".
And third, there are no "sides".

There is no side, because the Tibetan population does not live in Dharamsala, it lives in Tibet, it actually lives in China. For them to be asked to take "side" is impossible. So much impossible that it pushes those that want to apply this "filter of sides" to commit such things as self-immolation.

I imagine that for the Tibetans living in Tibet (I mean China), and for the very very large majority of them, they can hardly relate to the situation before 1959 in any other way than a romantic way, not very different to how Germans can relate to Siegfried, the knight with the white swan.

For them, I assume that the situation is one like any other in this world: how much is my rent, do I get running water, do i get electricity, do I get hot water, can I heat my room/flat during the winter, will I get/keep my job, how will my children do in their life, how do i help them, can my parents access health care... they think about paying bills, they think taxes, they think comfort, they think about the future of their children.
I imagine they think about all this before they think about pre-1959 Tibet and about the activities of the exiled Tibetans.

The romantic relationship that westerners have with Tibet must have very little in common with what the Tibetan and Chinese population that live in Lhasa experience. What they want is probably also very different from what westerners fantasize about.

All in all, it looks like good news that China is sponsoring the restoration of heritage buildings in Lhasa, and no less temples!

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« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2013, 04:46:08 AM »
I always believe development comes at the cost of preservation of old architectures. It is necessary to make way for development to sustain the growth in visitors and population of the region such as new electricity supply cables, sewage, water, etc.

For instance, many historic sites in China has also been ‘upgraded’ to sustain to the demand of the present world. This is vital to boost the economic growth in the tourism industry. In the long run, it is for the benefit of the residents living in Tibet and make them prosper. While the structure gets the facelift, culture practice will always be preserved as it is also part of the attraction for visitors from all over the world. Having said that, if all fails ie tourist dollars, at least China will look good in the eyes of foreigners that it is getting liberal with religion. It is a win-win situation for Chinese government.



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« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2013, 05:48:29 AM »
Therefore, it looks like that Chinese are not really destroying Tibetan culture but it is being eroded over time by modernity. I am pretty sure if the CTA were in charge, things would much worse. Conservation work would be haphazard and very little planning for the future growth of tourism or any other aspects of planning. I am not just making this up. Just look at CTA and please tell me what are they planning right now to preserve and propagate Tibetan culture?

I think what the Chinese are doing in Tibet is pretty much fine. It is just that the welfare of the Tibetan people and how they are coping needs to be addressed as that's directly related to the unrest that have occurred. Something needs to be addressed and I don't its got to do with the development in Tibet. I think it is has got to do with addressing the sentiment of the Tibetan people. That would be much better solution I think.
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« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2013, 06:40:20 AM »
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Therefore, it looks like that Chinese are not really destroying Tibetan culture but it is being eroded over time by modernity.

It is easier to find a scapegoat than to face the truth!

When the scapegoat is strong and mighty, it is even easier because we can’t “defeat” the scapegoat, and therefore, we have that “excuse”, that “screen” that “distraction” pretty much forever. Then all what is needed is to convince everyone else that this scapegoat is evil, diabolic, terrorizing, destructive and that all our troubles arise from its evil efforts to “bring us down”. It is like saying that all our failures come not from us, but come from the destructive efforts from this “scapegoat”.
 
The scapegoat is China.
 
I am not saying here that China is led by an enlightened government (as far as I can judge that) or that it is a champion of compassion and wisdom.

What I am saying is that China is not showing to be the evil that some factions may want the world to believe.

The above articles seem to indicate that China is caring about the Tibetan heritage, contrary to what is being said by the champions of the “Tibetan” cause.

Well, is there a Tibetan cause anymore? There has been one, but is there one anymore? I wonder...

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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2013, 08:21:34 PM »
It is just ironic how some Tibetans choose to believe that China is doing harm to Tibet. Destroying all the culture and things there. To me, I believe that if the government knows about the people's living situation is bad, and does not do anything, that would be a bad government. On the contrary, the Chinese government is doing the correct thing by helping to improve the living situation of the Tibetans. How would it it be wrong for their actions like that?

It is nor fair for the Chinese government when Woeser (who lives in Beijing, not Tibet) claims that the Chinese government is destroying Tibet. How would Woeser know when she is not situated at Tibet itself. If the Chinese government is really destroying Tibet, why wouldn't Woeser move out of China entirely? Instead she still works at the capital of China, Beijing? What Woeser is just really fishy. I believe she wrote the article just for the sake of writing, and did not do the proper research before hand.

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« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2013, 02:51:36 PM »
Well, actually on second thought, I think the Chinese do want to preserve Tibetan culture and spirituality. The Chinese has a vested interest in this and that is to attract the tourist renmenbi. I am sure of this especially considering the local government is probably heavily dependant on this. Tourism to the region is probably very high, whether it comes from foreigners or local tourist, it doesn't matter as it is income for the local economy.

Hence, the local government in busy creating the proper modern infrastructure to cater to these tourists. Most tourist are not planning to rough it out in Tibet considering many are not even able to aclimatize to the high altitude. It is really the politics of economics after all. So, Tibetan culture and spirituality is very much part of the Central and local government's interest.

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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2013, 10:51:40 PM »
I agree with Big Uncle that the Chinese would need that tourist money to survive for that area. If they do not have that, it would be difficult for them to maintain or even improve the Tibetan area. Hence, with Tibet being a place to bring tourist money in, why would the Chinese government want to kill the goose that lays golden eggs? It just does not make any sense at all.

And if China is really out to "destroy" the Tibetan culture and religion, why would the Chinese be sending lamas out of China to give teachings?

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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2013, 11:03:42 AM »
I agree with Big Uncle that the Chinese would need that tourist money to survive for that area. If they do not have that, it would be difficult for them to maintain or even improve the Tibetan area. Hence, with Tibet being a place to bring tourist money in, why would the Chinese government want to kill the goose that lays golden eggs? It just does not make any sense at all.

And if China is really out to "destroy" the Tibetan culture and religion, why would the Chinese be sending lamas out of China to give teachings?

After all, all China wanted to eradicate is the very idea of a Tibetan region independent from China.
Not the Tibetan culture.

Indeed, in the recent past, it is true that the government of China has tried to destroy parts of the Tibetan Culture, but it has done exactly the same with the very Han Chinese culture during the cultural revolution (1966-1976). This happened all over China, not only in Tibet.

But 1976 is long passed by now and much water has gone under the bridge, as we say...
Since then, China has reconnected with its traditions, with its crafts and history, reparation processes have long been put in motion and the same happened in Tibet.




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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2013, 11:59:44 AM »
AGREE...

Well this is SAMSARA... YES CHINA will maintain and keep the Tibetan "culture" alive... simple... makes money... as BU mentioned... tourism. In this economical aspect... you can bet your bottom dollar... it will be preserved.

The part they are trying to change is the "village" thinking mindset and living conditions... which at a certain extend I know that it looks really bad, like raping of the land, forcing Tibetans who has been living a nomadic life to now live in boxed up houses and I do feel with all my heart how these people who have been living such lives are suddenly forced to change can cause traumatic emotional stress. On top of that they have to pay for their move and new housing... so YES this I find total unfair in the Chinese Govt... and quite inhuman. This part I must say is a huge "human rights" issue.

So there are truth in both pros and cons of this... but then again when we look deeper and think deeper, if we weren't so attached, we won't have any problems adapting. Life's evolution is based on karma I feel... I think if no matter how much you wish to preserve something, if its time is up, it will be up... that is probably why Buddha also said... his teachings will only last 2500 years... the rest would be fake and crap talking. Real practitioners would be rare to find!

Just my thoughts out loud...


I agree with Big Uncle that the Chinese would need that tourist money to survive for that area. If they do not have that, it would be difficult for them to maintain or even improve the Tibetan area. Hence, with Tibet being a place to bring tourist money in, why would the Chinese government want to kill the goose that lays golden eggs? It just does not make any sense at all.

And if China is really out to "destroy" the Tibetan culture and religion, why would the Chinese be sending lamas out of China to give teachings?

After all, all China wanted to eradicate is the very idea of a Tibetan region independent from China.
Not the Tibetan culture.

Indeed, in the recent past, it is true that the government of China has tried to destroy parts of the Tibetan Culture, but it has done exactly the same with the very Han Chinese culture during the cultural revolution (1966-1976). This happened all over China, not only in Tibet.

But 1976 is long passed by now and much water has gone under the bridge, as we say...
Since then, China has reconnected with its traditions, with its crafts and history, reparation processes have long been put in motion and the same happened in Tibet.

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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2013, 01:19:22 PM »
I agree with Big Uncle that the Chinese would need that tourist money to survive for that area. If they do not have that, it would be difficult for them to maintain or even improve the Tibetan area. Hence, with Tibet being a place to bring tourist money in, why would the Chinese government want to kill the goose that lays golden eggs? It just does not make any sense at all.
 
And if China is really out to "destroy" the Tibetan culture and religion, why would the Chinese be sending lamas out of China to give teachings?

After all, all China wanted to eradicate is the very idea of a Tibetan region independent from China.
Not the Tibetan culture.
 
Indeed, in the recent past, it is true that the government of China has tried to destroy parts of the Tibetan Culture, but it has done exactly the same with the very Han Chinese culture during the cultural revolution (1966-1976). This happened all over China, not only in Tibet.
 
But 1976 is long passed by now and much water has gone under the bridge, as we say...
Since then, China has reconnected with its traditions, with its crafts and history, reparation processes have long been put in motion and the same happened in Tibet.

In fact, on the CCTV news channel in China, we can see very often documentaries about Tibet, like a traditional Tibetan singer talking about how inspirational it is to live in the peaceful and spiritual place that Lhasa is, we can see a documentary on traditional horse competition on the high plateaus of Tibet, we can see high lamas and their entourage being received with honours by representative of the government of China...

These documentaries are not works of fiction, how could they?
And why are they aired on national tv if not for promoting Tibet and its culture? Well certainly totally opposite to “destroying” it...