Protectors Enlightened or Unenlightened

[DharmaSpace]

This is a cleverly done video, not only is it clever it is very effective in showing the difference between enlightened and unenlightened dharma protectors.

Enlightened dharma protectors when they take trance in an oracle are offered a throne to sit on, have their back facing the same direction as the buddha statues on the altar, are escorted inside the gompa as if one is a high lama kind of status. Also high lamas and monks make offerings to enlightened protectors in trance.  Dorje Shugden advised for the Dalai Lama to leave Tibet as it was getting dangerous for him and not only that Dorje Shugden planned the formation of Chushi Gangdruk, they shielded the Dalai Lama and their families who were escaping to India.

Unenlightened dharma protector are offered to sit on a chair only not a throne and he is always running or walking around. The oracle taking trance with the unenlightened dharma protector makes offering to the lamas. Usually they take trance and are then escorted into the gompa. Nechung who is a spirit under oath told the Dalai Lama to stay in Tibet and there was no danger.

Well done dorjeshudgen.com
http://www.dorjeshugden.com/videos/must-watch/oracles-enlightened-or-not/

[dondrup]

This video clearly differentiate the qualities of an enlightened Dharma Protectors like Lord Dorje Shugden and an unenlightened Dharma Protector like Nechung!  Unfortunately His Holiness 14th Dalai Lama and Central Tibetan Administration 'stubbornly' refused to admit that they were wrong with the ban.  And yet HHDL and CTA claimed that there was no ban!

What would it take for HHDL or CTA to lift the ban?  Perhaps all the other enlightened Dharma Protectors like Palden Lhamo, Lord Setrap and so forth should take trances in oracles to advise if Lord Dorje Shugden is enlightened Dharma Protector or unenlightened Dharma protector?  Surely these enlightened Dharma Protectors like Palden Lhamo, Lord Setrap and so forth will not lie about the authenticity of Lord Dorje Shugden as a fully enlightened Dharma Protector?

[Blueupali]

I thought the video was really helpful in understanding the differences in the oracles--- because I don't really belong to a tradition that follows oracles.
  I would worry about any oracles adivising the Dalai Lama/cta in modern times--- don't you think it's like not a good idea for heads of state to follow the advise of a religious oracle?  I mean, even if the Protector is enlightened she or he might want to protect the medium and say nothing that displeases the Dalai Lama.
  I don't think that method would be good--- I think they need to be explained to by the UN that they can't violate Shugden people's human rights like that....

[fruven]

Whether enlightened or not enlightened the idea of discrimination and equality is not a difficult concept to grasp. However it doesn't appear to be the case for the CTA. Whatever the advises are given is followed to the letter. Apparently breaking up families, inciting violent against and harming the Dorje Shugden practitioners are well within the laws of CTA. This is so absurd. I can't believe that they have the nerve to publish a hit list on their websites.

[icy]

Thank you DS.COM for this educational article.  Certainly these protocols of the enlightened and unenlightened beings are practised traditionally in monastic institutions.  However, to the uninformed and undiscerning eyes, these differences would have no bearing at all until they are pointed out.  Knowledge kills ignorance.

[grandmapele]

Whether we are from this tradition or oracles, it is only knowledge and that is always good. But it is very good to watch this video and learn of the differences between the reception of enlightened and unenlightened protectors.

As was aptly put by Icy, knowledge kills ignorance. In my opinion, differences in believes should never be a basis for discrimination of any kind. Think compassion, think bodhicitta.

[sandra]

This is really nice video that increase our knowledge that the different between an enlightened dharma protector and unenlightened dharma protector. In fact feeling  blessed that had the opportunity to watch such video as a layman. I will always keen to know more about the tradition way in monastic institution. Thank you to D.S.com

[pinecone]

Have never even be able to imagine how and what is categorized as an enlightened  and unenlightened. This video is really an eye-opener and educational one ! At least for this moment, I be able to have some clue, knowledge and the different actions of both the enlightened and unenlightened protectors. Thank you DS.com for all  efforts and kind thoughts in educating the ignorance.

[Ringo Starr]

Perhaps all the other enlightened Dharma Protectors like Palden Lhamo, Lord Setrap and so forth should take trances in oracles to advise if Lord Dorje Shugden is enlightened Dharma Protector or unenlightened Dharma protector?  Surely these enlightened Dharma Protectors like Palden Lhamo, Lord Setrap and so forth will not lie about the authenticity of Lord Dorje Shugden as a fully enlightened Dharma Protector?

Shucks, that is a great idea.

[jamyang_sonam]

Thank you admin for preparing and making this video which educate many of us on the aspect of differentiation of an Enlighten vs Unenlightened Dharm Protector taking trance. The content video is very informational clearly explain the importance of a Dharma Protector taking trance which many of us overlook, and always ignorantly think they are the same, in actuality this video proofs is different, and the important of relying on a fully Enlightened Dharma Protector.

100% sure Dorje Shugden is an Enlightened Dharma Protector, who is the emanation of Lord Manjushri.

[kris]

thank you dorjeshugden.com for this video. Even though I have watched many oracle videos before, but for lay person like me, I can't tell the difference, but now that the video explain about all the differences, it makes a lot of sense. Wow! the person who produce this video is really very knowledgeable about the ritual practices! And that is the main reason why I like about this website: it gives very solid knowledge!

Again, thank you and keep up the good work!!

[angelica]

Thank you dorjeshudgen.com for making such an educational video to help us understand the differences of an enlightened and unenlightened protectors.

The video clearly shown that Dorje Shugden is an Enlightened Protector. How can an Enlightened Protector be an evil spirit that harm the Dalai Lama? There basis for the ban is not valid. The ban should be lift, so that harm on Dorje Shugden Lamas and followers can be stop and the dharma to grow fast.

[maricisun]

Thank you dorjesugden.com for this educational video to help us understand more on the difference between enlightened and unenlightened protectors.
From this video it is clearly shown that Dorje Shugden is an Enlightened Being. If this is so, how can an Enlightened being be an evil spirit instead. He did not even harm HH Dalai Lama.
Through this video, may the ban be lifted so that all the practitioners can practice without fear and can have their religion freedom to practice.

[MoMo]

The debate of  whether a certain Dharma protector being enlighten or mundane one being going on for century. Thanks DS.com for producing this educational video for us. It is vitally important to know  the protector practices within our own lineage as this practices was passed down unmistakenly from lineage master all the way to us. Doubting a lineage protector was tantamount to doubting our lineage and its throne holders. Hence, by doubting our guru and his teaching,  we maybe the most diligence in studying or hard working at Tantra practice but will only gain a hellish reproach!

[RedLantern]

There are enlightened and unenlightened Dharma protectors. Rely only on enlightened Dharma Protectors such as Dorje Shugden,who is the emanation of Manjushri, Buddha of wisdom.
It is important to not just take any protector but an enlightened one , because they will never harm you.
In order to speed up our spiritual journey,propitiate Dorje Shugden to help us on our path.