Who is the heckler (Shugden or no?) in video at Hamburg teaching?

[Blueupali]

A man at the Dalai Lama's Hamburg teaching asked a question during the question and answer about why the Dalai Lama broke samaya with his teachers.  The Dalai Lama, looking very composed for the first time with regard to anything Shugden, started to answer, but was talked over by the man, who kept yelling, stop lying.
  So, who was this guy?  Because I notice that they escorted the man out, and the Dalai Lama took another question about praying for someone's mom....
  So, he never answered the question.
  Zong Rinpoche pointed out in his advice on Dorje Shugden that sometimes in Tibet people say they do Shugden and don't, and vice-versa.
  So, just because someone went to a Shugden center once or something, or even for years to see what's going on, if we are doing witchcraft, etc., then you know, I don't think they have to be Shugden.  Obviously, whoever he was, if he would be a genuine SHugden person I would be shocked, because we generally have more skillful means than to talk over a person rather than engage in dialogue. 
  I'm voting it's a set-up.  Opinions?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1d2ImUbH1g

[Lineageholder]

I think the guy did a good job. Whatever answer the false Dalai Lama would have given would have been a lie or an evasion. The false Dalai Lama clearly doesn't have an answer to this question because it's true - he's breaking his Guru devotion and showing the worse example of a Buddhist disciple in history. What was more important was that he was told this face to face and also told to stop lying directly. Unless he is utterly deluded this must affect his mind on some level. I believe he's in denial at the moment and must be made to see the truth if the ban is to be lifted.

[Blueupali]

Lineageholder,
  Thank you for your input.  I am only saying that while protesting outside is good, having the DL take a question (which was not done spontaneously in the one DL teaching I was in 13 years ago--- there were certain people who got to ask--- there were people who screened the questions and who talked), then if the guy yells over his answer this could make  us look bad.  It's not skillful.  We have never been given a chance for real dialogue and generally such questions are not even allowed to make it to the floor.  This one does and the guy, in a room full of people who aren't even Buddhists in many cases, and who all paid 158 euro to hear Mr. Smile is Charming and Actions are Harming speak, are presented with someone who makes Shugdens look unreasonable.
  I am just reminded how Shugdens were blamed for a triple murder, but I don't think there were any Shugdens involved okay.
  Other people can be involved, it doesn't have to be Shugdens.

[psylotripitaka]

His name is Kache Marpo

[Blueupali]

Oh?  Kache Marpo:)?
  Is he ISC?

[Lineageholder]

Blue Upali,

I was at the Hamburg demos and got to speak to a couple of the False DL's supporters - they already think we are unreasonable. Whatever actions are being done by the ISC are aimed at the false DL, not his supporters. His supporters are angry with the ISC, of course, because they are 'attacking' their icon and its usual when you are attached that anger will arise, but it's not ISC's intention to make the false DL's supporters angry. Only the false DL can lift this dreadful ban and so if he's told that he's breaking his Guru devotion and to stop lying, perhaps some shame will arise in his mind.

Who is going to tell him the truth when his millions of supporters hang on his every word and he's on an ego trip anyway? He will never engage in dialogue with Shugdenpas because he has too much pride. Someone has to get an opportunity to tell him the truth face to face and that's what ISC are trying to do.

[Blueupali]

Well, I am a little concerned about the methodology in this case.  I am for bringing attention to what the DL is doing, but I am not for making him look reasonable (on TV) while we look unreasonable (on TV). 
  I think if they ask a question and he answers.... okay.... then say he's lying after he finishes talking or something, otherwise, he looks good (like he tries to do) and we look bad.
  I am not sure all the ISC is really trying to bring attention to the DL and what he is doing wrong, but some of them almost seem to want to make him look better and us look worse.  This was no exception to that.
  THey really played down with the press in the U.S. most significant and pertinent info about the ban, and might be leading people to think the DL isn't such a bad guy.  Some people say they are with SHugden, but they aren't really doing Shugden, just like Zong Rinpoche said.  The ISC has had some really unusual choices for people who spoke in the U.S., given that they seemed really unable to point out the things that are severe human rights violations.
  Then, I am just saying, you know, the DL people were willing to take a Shugden person's question, and then the "Shugden person" is yelling at him.... I mean normally the DL doesn't really allow us to speak at all, and this time he STILL managed not to speak about it, and they made the uh "Shugden" person leave. 
  I am saying it looks staged.  The Dalai Lama's mouth appears incapable of truth, do we expect his more fanatical followers to be any more up front?

[Shugden Library]

I would be more concerned about the Welsh couple who had spent £800 to attend the Dalai Lama event in Hamburg:
They then asked why the Dalai Lama had not answered the Shugden Buddhist's question, were immediately surrounded by the Dalai Lama's security and then had to leave the building.

So even the Dalai Lama's followers are starting to question him.

[Lineageholder]

I agree with Shugden Library. Poor people!

Just to let you know that the False Dalai Lama's people didn't vet the question and agree to answer it. The person just went to the mic and asked the question. The FDL and his people didn't know what was going to be asked.

[icy]

Interupting the Dalai Lama is not helpful; it is rude and antagonises people. I agree with the question but we need to maintain a respectful attitude at all times. I wanted to hear more of an answer than he was able to give.  Hopefully, the next time we get to have a better dialogue and ensure that the ticket cost is well spent. 

[Blueupali]

I agree with Icy.  I am for bringing this to people's attention, but I am for being skillful.  Protesting outside is excellent.  Asking a question, getting a recorded response would be good.  If he lies, then we can always have it on record, and then bring it to the press later that he is lying in his super expensive teachings.
  I think it would send the wrong message, to people who are new.  Not everybody is a DL supporter who goes to those things and somebody might get complimentary tickets--- so we need to make skillful presentation.  The one teaching I went to by the DL (like first and last people.... was cured in one teaching) happened to mostly have not a whole lot of his followers--- of course this was years ago in a place with mostly Hindus....
   People who don't understand this issue will think, wow these guys are heckling in the teaching....
   

[Blueupali]

I agree with Shugden Library. Poor people!

Just to let you know that the False Dalai Lama's people didn't vet the question and agree to answer it. The person just went to the mic and asked the question. The FDL and his people didn't know what was going to be asked.

So, how would we know that?  The false DL people tell you that:)?

[psylotripitaka]

"Yes, yesss Blueupali, yes yesss." - Kache Marpo

[Blueupali]

Okay, next time you guys get the mic with the DL (if there is a next time) then let him answer with a lie and THEN tell him to stop lying, okay.  We can get him on record lying to us in a teaching in the west is GOOD okay--- then if one of his niave new people looks it up later then maybe they will work it out okay?

[gohdi]

The Dalai Lama got the message very clearly. Probably in the last 79 years there were no other person passing his message so clearly to him.

And the audiance got the message that there must be something wrong behinde the scene with the Dalai Lama.

Very good.