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kris

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Re: Pope Declines to Meet With Dalai Lama
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2014, 09:19:27 AM »
This is indeed very complicated when spiritual leaders are also political leaders. I support HH Dalai Lama to let go of His political power and just focus on spreading Buddhism. It is not to doubt HHDL's capability, but the perspective of people in this era, and the label/association people put onto someone.

Is it because of the incapability of the CTA prime minister Lobsang Sangay which forced HHDL to remain as the political head? I am very disappointed with Lobsang Sangay because he fails to deliver a democratic platform for the people of Tibet in exile.

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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2014, 01:30:23 PM »
Guess, the Pope has no wish to delve into any hint of controversy especially when it comes to persecution within a religious order. Not after, the burning of witches saga and the inquisition saga of history.

Maybe, when the ban is lifted, and consequently the controversy is lifted?

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Re: Pope Declines to Meet With Dalai Lama
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2014, 12:35:18 AM »
Well, I am not surprised and I read that the Dalai Lama's old time friend, Archbishop Desmond Tutu is trying to get the Pope to change his mind on this matter. Anyway, whatever the outcome, the disapproval of the Pope is just another sign of the times of how the economic power of China is simply overwhelming popular support of the Dalai Lama. If only we could swing this in the direction that best highlights the plight of the Dorje Shugden ban. Somehow, people must know that the Dalai Lama and CTA cannot go on bullying and suppressing Shugden practitioners and that they are pressured to release the ban.

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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2014, 03:30:40 AM »
I wonder if Archbishop Desmond Tutu is aware of what his old time friend, the Dalai Lama is violating human rights and casting apartheid in his community.   We should write to Archbishop Desmond Tutu to expose the Dalai Lama and request for his assistance to request the Dalai Lama to end the ban.

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Re: Pope Declines to Meet With Dalai Lama
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2014, 03:35:28 AM »
Read this, Pope Francis has a better reason and priority for not meeting the Dalai Lama:

Why the pope ducked meeting with Dalai Lama

by Jean-Louis De La Vaissiere, Agence France-Presse
Posted at 12/14/2014 2:24 AM | Updated as of 12/14/2014 2:26 AM
VATICAN CITY -- Pope Francis may be known for championing dialogue, but faced with the certainty of riling China, analysts say, he ducked out of a meeting with the Dalai Lama.

Sensitivities over the fate of the Catholic minority in China were foremost on the pope's mind when he decided against greeting the Tibetan spiritual leader, according to observers.

A spokesman for the Holy See confirmed Thursday that the pope would not meet the Dalai Lama -- whom the Argentinian pontiff "obviously holds... in very high regard" -- despite the Tibetan's presence at a meeting in Rome of Nobel peace laureates.

Francis, an advocate of interfaith ties, isn't the first pope to wrestle with the question of whether to grant an audience to the Tibetan Buddhist leader.

His predecessor Benedict XVI met the Dalai Lama in 2006 but declined follow-up visits in 2007 and 2009.

The issue of how to handle Tibet is of strategic importance for the Vatican.

China is home to several million Catholics and Protestants, whose freedom of religion is heavily curtailed.

The establishment of diplomatic relations between China and the Vatican would allow Catholicism in the world's most populous nation to flourish.

Since becoming pope, Francis has given new impetus to the quiet discussions that have been ongoing between Rome and Beijing since the 1980s.

A meeting with the Dalai Lama could jeopardise that, given Beijing's known abhorrence of any gesture of solidarity towards Tibet by other powers.

A spokesman for the Dalai Lama said he was "disappointed" but acknowledged that a meeting with the pope could have caused "inconvenience."

"The Vatican's diplomatic objective is to avoid actions that fuel instability in already tricky situations and avoid decisions whose consequences are paid for by others -- in this case, Chinese Catholics," Andrea Tornielli, a commentator with the Vatican Insider site, said.

On his return from a visit to South Korea in August Francis had expressed a wish to visit China as early as "tomorrow" and voiced admiration for its "wise people."

"The church only asks for liberty for its task, for its work — there’s no other condition," he said, referring to Beijing's tight control over the country's "official" Catholic church.

- Papal priority -

China's Communist leader Mao cut ties with the Holy See in 1951. The dialogue resumed after the Cultural Revolution, under John Paul II.

China has been top priority for the Vatican ever since.

President Xi Jingping and Francis exchanged letters of congratulation on their respective elections in 2013.

In September, Argentina's Infobae news site reported that Francis had followed up with a letter to Xi, inviting him to a meeting at the Vatican.

China has around 12 million Catholics, half of whom are members of the state-controlled Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association.

The remainder belong to underground churches that are loyal to the Vatican, although there is some overlap.

The chief bone of contention between Rome and Beijing is China's policy of consecrating of bishops without the pope's approval. In the rest of the world, bishops are named by the pontiff.

For China, renouncing control over the nominations would mean relinquishing part of its sovereignty.

Beijing is also wary of the influence of Western ideas spread by Catholics and Protestants.

There are two schools of thought in the Vatican on normalising ties.

One believes that the Vatican should reach an agreement with China "on a less problematic nomination process," says Regis Anouil, a French specialist on Asian churches.

The other fears that China would twist any agreement in its favour.

The pro-democracy movement in Hong Kong, which has been backed by two local cardinals, is likely to dampen any vague desire China had to relax its grip on religion.

Anouil also believes that China has less riding on the establishment of diplomatic ties than Rome.

To illustrate the point, he cites Beijing's refusal to reciprocate a 2008 invitation to the Chinese Philharmonic Orchestra to perform at the Vatican.

The Sistine Chapel Choir was refused permission to play in Beijing and Shanghai during a recent visit,

The singers to settle for Hong Kong, Macao and Taipei instead.

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Re: Pope Declines to Meet With Dalai Lama
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2014, 07:29:37 AM »
Pope Francis has valid reasons for not meeting the Dalai Lama.  This secret of Pope Francis's compassion for not meeting the Dalai Lama was: “not taken out of fear but to avoid any suffering by those who have already suffered.” 

If only the Dalai Lama has the same reason to release the Shugden ban for Shugden Buddhists have already endured suffering for 20 long years.



China Wins Again in Fight Against Dalai Lama

Pope Francis is more than a religious leader — he’s also a politician. And that’s led him to controversially deny an audience to the Dalai Lama, the spiritual leader of Tibet.

During his still young and highly ambitious papacy, Francis has made it clear he would like to broaden his church’s appeal. That includes expanding the Roman Catholic Church’s reach in China, where the ruling Communist Party maintains and iron grip on spiritual life. Estimates put China’s Catholic population around 12 million. Some 5.3 million are said to practice their faith through the official, party-controlled Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association.

But the Patriotic Association refuses to recognize Vatican authority, denying the Holy See the power to appoint bishops in China. That bars the Vatican from its key place in Catholic spiritual life. As Francis tries to expand his church’s reach beyond the secular West and toward the more spiritually inclined populations of the developing world, China’s 1.35 billion people are an appealing target.

And that’s where the Dalai Lama comes in. Chinese authorities view the spiritual leader as a dangerous heretic with considerable political influence able to stir up discontent within China’s borders. Since his exile from Tibet in 1959, the Dalai Lama has waged a careful campaign to win his home province, whose government was dissolved by Beijing the same year the Dalai Lama fled amid an uprising, more rights.

Vatican officials frankly explained why they denied the Dalai Lama’s request for a papal audience. He was rebuffed “for obvious reasons concerning the delicate situation” with China, one papal official told Reuters. An anonymous Vatican official told the news agency that the decision was “not taken out of fear but to avoid any suffering by those who have already suffered.”

China zealously pressures world leaders not to meet with him; chalk one up for Beijing. The Dalai Lama heads to Rome to meet with the Nobel Peace Prize winners gathered there, leading him to call on the pope.

The peacemakers meeting was set for Cape Town in October but was canceled when South Africa, another country seeking closer ties with China, refused to issue the Dalai Lama a visa. So, chalk two up for Beijing.

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Re: Pope Declines to Meet With Dalai Lama
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2014, 07:32:34 AM »
The above article was reported in "China Wins Again in Fight Against Dalai Lama" dated 12th December 2014 http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/12/12/china-wins-again-in-fight-against-dalai-lama/?

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Re: Pope Declines to Meet With Dalai Lama
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2014, 09:16:11 AM »
It is very obvious that it is due to political reasons, the Pope declined to meet with HH Dalai Lama. That’s the problem when spiritual leaders are also political leaders.
HH Dalai Lama has been viewed as dangerous that influencing his people to create disharmony in China. I just could not imagine why he would even use Dorje Shugden as the excuse that it is harming his long life and harming the cause for Tibetan freedom. The CTA even accusing the Dorje Shugden practitioners as the “China government dog”. Viewing the way that HH Dalai Lama and CTA has been stirring up disharmony between the people, how would China not being cautious on him because all China want is a country that is harmony and peaceful?

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« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2014, 07:02:16 AM »
This is the sign that many nations of the world does not want to offend the super powerful China. It is time the CTA take the hints from leaders of nations who have declined an audience with His Holiness the Dalai Lama and to others who have reject visa approval to their countries. Who would want to be friends with an administrative party who have lost its country and whose citizens are divided among themselves at the cost of stepping on the toes of China who can offer so much goodness?
I guess many nations would think twice to be on friendly terms with CTA who discriminates and caused disharmony amongits own citizens.

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Re: Pope Declines to Meet With Dalai Lama
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2014, 08:29:44 AM »
I agree with Tenzin Malgyur. No nations in the world would want to offend China. The Pope is very clever, if he grant audience with Dalai Lama, it means he is friend of Dalai Lama, and Pope could  be at a risk of losing all his China's catholic population  if China declare a ban on the religion.

No point that Dalai Lama continue with the ban and to fight for the independence of Tibet. Dalai Lama is slowly losing his support from other nations and his own people, the Tibetans. Please end the ban and the suffering of the Tibetans, perform your role in spreading Buddhism. 

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« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2014, 09:02:38 AM »
I do agree Lobsang Sangay the CTA pm really never do a good job of democratic the tibetan very sad the discrimination among the community is very obvious by right if a very religious person should practice the dharma which is kindness and tolerance but it does not happen in this case.

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Re: Pope Declines to Meet With Dalai Lama
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2014, 09:30:06 AM »
Pope declined to meet with HH Dalai Lama is a sign or indication of his disagree with him. In what aspect is hard to know but definitely is unfriendly indication. Politic and spiritual can never mix together. Perhaps HH Dalai Lama should withdraw himself from political influence. HH Dalai Lama is a good spiritual leader if only concentrate in spiritual path. We can foresee that the mixtual of spiritual and politic path only lead to disagree and degenerate his achievement.

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Re: Pope Declines to Meet With Dalai Lama
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2014, 02:53:47 PM »
I have no surprise to know that the Pope declined to meet the Dalai Lama. Due to the political reason no other country will go against the Chinese for a bigger reason. On top of that in term of spiritual the world seems to notice the protest on the Dalai Lama.
Why is the Dalai Lama lying on the ban?
Why is he imposing the ban?
What is going on with the Nobel Peace Prize winner and the protest?

Dalai Lama is an influential figure but why is he discriminating other spiritual practice and why is he segregating his own people? This doesn’t make any different of discriminating other religious. I believe a lot of the world leaders will notice this and start to question on the Dalai Lama action and will not associate with the Dalai Lama.

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« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2014, 01:03:54 PM »
Of course Pope will politely decline to meet the Dalai Lama. Put yourself in his shoes, it is about his missionary work  of a potential 1.3billion people in China.

More and more Head of State will decline to meet the Dalai Lama as China becomes stronger in trade & economic deals. At the end of the day is all about who/what can benefit them more.

Eventually, there will also be a problems for CTA/Dalai Lama in India as China has recently had pledged a fade deal of close to USD20 billion and will be more as years goes by. See

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/18/india-china-trade-deals-xi-delhi

How nice if CTA can gather all Tibetans including the great masters to be united instead of creating divisions amongst them so that they can be stronger to protect the tibetans' interest as a whole.