Strong charges against Dorje Shugden practitioners

[Ringo Starr]

http://tibetancommunityuk.net/publications-artcles/1364/

[psylotripitaka]

Same old story.

What I wanna know is why haven't I read anything about Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche addressing the international Tibetan community on this issue? Has he said something and I'm just behind the times?

[Dondrup Shugden]

Nothing new, with the bare minimum of truth as they see it.  Why are the Tibetans in UK making this statement and not the CTA?

Is it because NKT is UK based. 

As mentioned by why not say something of what great Shugden Lamas are doing, then there is proof that Shugden worship is not divisive nor sectarian.

[fruven]

Spreading misinformation, untruth and creating doubts on people's mind.

Blaming others for once incompetence.

Where is tolerance when you claim to be acting from compassion?

[eyesoftara]

The point the matter is not who is right or who is wrong as there will be not end to this. Proofs are all over but denied just like that. In the end it is up to the Dalai Lama to just open His mouth and all will be good eventually. He has the power obviously, otherwise there will be no protest. Regardless of what the allegations are, the Dalai Lama can solve the problem and only He can do it.

The question is, why He has not?

On another note, I feel the protestors is seriously wrong in there strategy of discriminating the Dalai Lama as their message is aggressive and degrading someone who in the eyes of many is holy. Instead, the message should be an appeal to the compassion of the Dalai Lama.

[vajrastorm]

This Statement is very much against the spirit of compassion and harmony, the twin pillars of Buddha Dharma. There is much of UNTRUTHS and DIVISIVENESS in the Statement, as well as INFLAMMATORY REMARKS,as seen below:

1.Describing ISC as “a group of religious extremists based in the UK with a known history of antagonism towards the Dalai Lama”.
2. Describing "Dolgyal (Shugden) practice (as having) a long association with extremism and causing sectarian disharmony”
3. Stating that (the Dalai Lama)" has not ‘banned’ the practice as the demonstrators claim".
4. Saying that "The International Shugden Community has aligned itself with the Chinese Communist Party authorities in Tibet”.

Buddhists should work towards harmony and peace and practice compassion. The ISC has always conducted peaceful demonstrations, and only after attempts to hold peaceful negotiations with Dalai Lama and his representatives had failed.

[Dondrup Shugden]

The point the matter is not who is right or who is wrong as there will be not end to this. Proofs are all over but denied just like that. In the end it is up to the Dalai Lama to just open His mouth and all will be good eventually. He has the power obviously, otherwise there will be no protest. Regardless of what the allegations are, the Dalai Lama can solve the problem and only He can do it.

The question is, why He has not?

On another note, I feel the protestors is seriously wrong in there strategy of discriminating the Dalai Lama as their message is aggressive and degrading someone who in the eyes of many is holy. Instead, the message should be an appeal to the compassion of the Dalai Lama.

Totally agree, there should be a middle way to appeal to the logic and compassion of HH Dalai Lama so that He can direct CTA to the right direction.

Very amicable suggestion.

[Matibhadra]

The point the matter is not who is right or who is wrong as there will be not end to this.

“No end” to you, because you endlessly sanctify a brutal criminal, the evil dalie. As soon as you stop divinizing evil and evildoers, your dubious attitude towards right and wrong will instantly disappear.   

In the end it is up to the Dalai Lama to just open His mouth and all will be good eventually.

Wrong. Whenever the evil dalie opened his mouth only disgrace ensued.

He has the power obviously, otherwise there will be no protest.

To some extent evil is in power, whence the the need to overcome evil, specially within oneself: the evil instinct which brings people like you to a state of psychic subservience to a brutal criminal such as the evil dalie.

Regardless of what the allegations are, the Dalai Lama can solve the problem and only He can do it.

Wrong. Buddhists believe that oneself alone, never someone else, including the evil dalie, is the source of one's own problems. Therefore only oneself can solve the problem of one's own admiration for, and accomplicity with, evil and evildoers, such as the evil dalie. Once this problem is solved, the evil dalie is seen for what he is, as a negligible, ludicrous, impotent evildoer, worth the garbage bin of history.

The question is, why He has not?

Wrong. The question is, why have you not given up admiration for, and accomplicity with, evil and evildoers, such as the evil dalie?

On another note, I feel the protestors is seriously wrong in there strategy of discriminating the Dalai Lama as their message is aggressive and degrading someone who in the eyes of many is holy.

Denouncing violence is never a case of violence, except for supporters of violence, which is obviously the case with you, as a sanctimonious venerator of evildoers and brutal criminals such as the evil dalie.

Instead, the message should be an appeal to the compassion of the Dalai Lama.

Why not to appeal to your own compassion, which so miserably fails when you show your subservience to a brutal criminal such as the evil dalie?

[Matibhadra]

Totally agree, there should be a middle way to appeal to the logic and compassion of HH Dalai Lama so that He can direct CTA to the right direction.

Agreed. The evil dalie should direct himself and his minions out of the depths of the garbage bin of history, where they so awkwardly placed themselves. But hold not your breath.

[Matibhadra]

[...] their message is aggressive and degrading someone who in the eyes of many is holy.

Since the hideous criminal, the evil dalie lame, is “holy” in the eyes of many, there is an imperious need to open the eyes of those many, deceived as they are by mass-media political propaganda (as in the West), by power-serving mythology and personality cult (as among Tibetans), or by both.

Your brazen accomplicity with the evil schema of deifying a hideous criminal shows your lack of sincerity as a Buddhist, let alone as a Shugdenpa.

[eyesoftara]

Anytime there is any adverb or adjectives ie preconceived name calling like "Dolgyal", "Chinese supporter", "Evil Dalie" etc, the sentence straight away becomes insulting and and sometimes false. That is true even if ...and a big IF at that for supporters and foe alike.
It very immature to accuse one another with adjectives back and forth; nothing more than children in the playground calling names at each other. As mature practitioners (or even politician), what should be done is to give irrefutable proof. Otherwise, what good is accusations of things not proven or denials of facts already proven going to bring us? More argument, chaos and more suffering.

[Lineageholder]

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Totally agree, there should be a middle way to appeal to the logic and compassion of HH Dalai Lama so that He can direct CTA to the right direction.

Very amicable suggestion.

Good luck, the false Dalai Lama has ignored every request for dialogue for the past twenty years. He really doesn't care. That's why the protests are happening, because he won't address the issue.

[Shugden Library]

It's just the usual Dalai Lama, CTA rubbish. Slander and untruths. Does anyone actual believe this anymore?

I suggest these articles to finally put the record straight:

The False Dalai Lama who changes Buddhism into political gain through lying: http://internationalshugdencommunity.com/political-gain-through-lying/

The Dalai Lama's Shugden scapegoat:
http://gildedcagearticles.com/shugdenscapegoat/

Proof of Chinese Involvement?
http://www.arebuddhistsracist.com/proof_of_chinese_involvment.html

What has happened to ds.com, you used to publish great articles, now you appear do nothing! Have you lost your way?

[Matibhadra]

Anytime there is any adverb or adjectives ie preconceived name calling like "Dolgyal", "Chinese supporter", "Evil Dalie" etc, the sentence straight away becomes insulting and and sometimes false.

Your comparison is unfortunate. “Dolgyal” and “Chinese supporter” are simply wide off the mark, inaccurate epithets, reflecting the intellectual dumbness of those using them.

Meanwhile, “evil dalie” is factually accurate, informative, and helps people to make a distinction between holy beings such as actual Dalai Lamas, and depraved impostors such as the evil dalie.

That is true even if ...and a big IF at that for supporters and foe alike.

Leaving your endless “ifs” aside, one should always avoid misleading names, such as “Dalai Lama”, when referring to a hideous criminal.

It very immature to accuse one another with adjectives back and forth; nothing more than children in the playground calling names at each other.

“Immature” is itself an adjective, which shows that you are immature enough not to perceive that you are guilty yourself of what you want to see in others.

As granma would say, you teach best what you most need to learn.

As mature practitioners (or even politician), what should be done is to give irrefutable proof.

Further proof of what? That the ridiculous “emperor” is naked?

The fact that you want further proof of what is already is extensively proved, and never refuted by you or anyone else, shows that you are insincere about the topic, and that your actual aim is to just protect the hideous criminal, the evil dalie.

Otherwise, what good is accusations of things not proven or denials of facts already proven going to bring us? More argument, chaos and more suffering.

This you have to tell to your beloved idol, the evil dalie, and to his minions. You are in the wrong website.