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kris

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Afte 56 years, still blaming Dorje Shugden?
« on: August 29, 2015, 10:09:49 AM »
China has already said very clearly China will not accept the "Middle Way" as it basically means it will take away about 1 quarter of China.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/xi-vows-unceasing-fight-against-tibet-separatism/article7582085.ece

So, after 56 years, everything seems to back to the square one. What will CTA do next? What is the solution to the existing situation? Continue with exile? CTA has befriended the westerns for so many years, it does not seem to work out for them. Should they befriend China?

More importantly for us Dorje Shugden practitioners, are you still going to blame Dorje Shugden for your own failure?


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Re: Afte 56 years, still blaming Dorje Shugden?
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2015, 06:12:52 PM »
The Tibetans in exiled are the one losing as long as CTA keep on holding to their stand. China can hold out as long as they want but in the end what can CTA do for Tibetans people?

There are Tibetan lamas staying in China already working for the benefits of people.  I don't see Tibetans in China losing their culture.

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Re: Afte 56 years, still blaming Dorje Shugden?
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2015, 09:01:38 AM »
It is obvious that it is not because of Dorje Shugden practice that made Tibet lose their land. It is their own politics that are played wrongly that made them lose what they have.

They have already befriend so many western countries to use them to make China be afraid of them. Based on what we see, is that working? The answer, sadly is no.

The CTA does not realise that what they are doing is not correct. This is for a very simple reason, now as the world's economy is growing, the CTA failed to see that China is the country with the growing power. If the would really like to have peace, they should be making friends with China instead of opposing them.

Let's just take really simple things to see if the rest of the world is afraid of China. Recently some countries denied H.H Dalai Lama's entry visa as they are afraid that through accepting the Dalai Lama into their country would create some sort of schism between theirs and China's relationship. Through this it shows that China now holds the biggest "power".

Secondly, if the CTA can really manage their own people, why is there a ban to create segregation among the Tibetans themselves? Causing so many of them to be living in fear as they are not allowed to have their own opinions. They would only have to hear what the CTA says, and follow what they have said. If they do not comply or go against the CTA's wishes, they will be "featured" on a hit list. This is not even necessary.

We are already in the 21st century with so many things that people can think on their own and have their own opinions about. Why does the CTA enforce certain thoughts on the Tibetans causing them to live in fear? With this, it will not even allow the people to grow, what more to say the society of theirs. 

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Re: Afte 56 years, still blaming Dorje Shugden?
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2015, 09:27:40 AM »
For political parties or politicians including those in CTA, to blame another party is always an easy way out to cover the inability of those in power -- in this case CTA for not bringing Tibetans to anyway compare to 56 years ago. There's no democracy, no development, no improvement for the living of Tibetans...

To blame China for making everything fail and blaming Dorje Shugden practitioners for "cooperating" with PRC government to topple any effort of Tibetan leadership to further Tibetan's cause; would become so much easy and convenience.

How long Tibetan leadership could continue with this play? Let's wait and see. I believe very soon people will see more and more how incapable the Tibetan leadership is in bringing peace, development or hope to Tibet people. 

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Re: Afte 56 years, still blaming Dorje Shugden?
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2015, 05:38:08 PM »
How long Tibetan leadership could continue with this play? Let's wait and see. I believe very soon people will see more and more how incapable the Tibetan leadership is in bringing peace, development or hope to Tibet people. 

What you have said is very true. The CTA just blames the Chinese government and also Dorje Shugden practitioners. What they have failed to think about is that, they have been in exile for so many years, during these years what have they done for their people. Not much I would say.

If they have really done things for the Tibetans that are under their care, all of them will be able to have a passport to go travelling. Monasteries will not split because of a ban that was forced upon the people.

What the CTA cares about is only fame and money. If it is not about that, why do they come up with hit lists that shows others who are the wanted people? They are only doing things like that to get the support from the public to do despicable acts on these people.

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Re: Afte 56 years, still blaming Dorje Shugden?
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2015, 07:42:22 AM »
If this weren't spiritual, I'd say this is a case of "divide and conquer". Is this the work of a spin doctor to divert attention from the real issue? As I've said many times, it's an ugly mix of politics and religion that's causing this ill.

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Re: Afte 56 years, still blaming Dorje Shugden?
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2015, 04:07:37 PM »
One thing, why no middle way? The middle way is how Lord Buddha gained enlightenment. That is a lot of the basics of Buddhism, not to much and not too little, no extreme love, no hate. That also applies to how someone should approach something or a practice that they do not agree with, they say that they do not like it and why if they please and respectfully just leave it. Do not put a ban on it and insult. Make suffering, to followers and deny it like a big bully with a stick.

After so long, and how there is still so much hate. Why? There are still people suffering in Tibet and people are still covering up and don't care. There is so much information at hand in this time and people just do not want to care anymore. So that is why we are growing actually... We can and we can do more research and due to todays technology, people can just join us by researching and finding us to be right. I hope that makes sense. But I just don't understand how everything bad is still blamed on DS.

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Re: Afte 56 years, still blaming Dorje Shugden?
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2015, 08:41:22 AM »
VeronicaSmith, the middle way that referred here is the Dalai Lama's proposal of Autonomy similar to Hong Kong SAR and not really the Buddhist Middle Way. Also, it is up to China to accept. Obviously, as the CTA has very little support internationally and is way past its' usefulness to the Western powers, there is very little support for them and it is easy for China to refuge what they think is originally part of China anyway. 

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Re: Afte 56 years, still blaming Dorje Shugden?
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2015, 12:49:37 AM »
VeronicaSmith, the middle way that referred here is the Dalai Lama's proposal of Autonomy similar to Hong Kong SAR and not really the Buddhist Middle Way. Also, it is up to China to accept. Obviously, as the CTA has very little support internationally and is way past its' usefulness to the Western powers, there is very little support for them and it is easy for China to refuge what they think is originally part of China anyway.

China is investing and developing Tibetan region. Who would want to give up control? Also in many instances the independence of a country comes from within, the people living there stand up and fight for independence. I think it is no longer possible at this point of time.

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Re: Afte 56 years, still blaming Dorje Shugden?
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2015, 08:06:45 AM »
This is really waste of time see what did see CTA do after 56 years to the Tibetan people it cause more harm it do not bring peace and development for the Tibetan who live under CTA control, not just that because of the DS ban it even create disharmony among the Tibetan community.

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Re: Afte 56 years, still blaming Dorje Shugden?
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2015, 03:14:46 AM »
Yes, Kelly, it is divide and conquer. They create a ban and draw attention away from the fact that they have not done enough, if anything at all for the Tibetan cause. This ban has caused and is still causing a lot of suffering and anguish to the Tibetans in exile, so much so that they cannot think further than the lifting of the ban. May there be a positive change in the CTA in the coming years so that the ban on the practice of Dorje Shugden can be lifted so that the Tibetans can again look to a way out of their current exile.

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Re: Afte 56 years, still blaming Dorje Shugden?
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2015, 09:21:50 AM »
It is due to the karma of Tibet and the Tibetans that the conditions and situation are like this today. Just like during the time of Lord Atisha, just before the Buddhism was almost wipe out by the Moghuls in India, todays' situation are that Tibetan Buddhism are deposited out of Tibet, back to India in the Monasteries and mostly to the West.
With China's developing fast and becoming advance, Tibet itself is receiving this development and finally Tibetan Buddhism is again growing in Tibet itself with support of the Chinese Government.

What this really means is that secularly, the Dalai Lama and the CTA is at its lowest point of relevancy to Tibet.

When the the Dalai Lama passes away, China will definite appoint their own Dalai Lama and with that all will have come full circle in that Tibet has been restored in its former glory, albeit within China.

And Dorje Shugden practice will be free to be practice and will thrive.

Matibhadra

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Re: Afte 56 years, still blaming Dorje Shugden?
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2015, 11:00:31 PM »
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[...] and with that all will have come full circle in that Tibet has been restored in its former glory, albeit within China.

And thanks to China and fortunately within China, rather than within a Western-Jewish colonized and predated Tibet, under the leadership of the noxious Western-Jewish puppet the evil dalie, who empowered by his Western-Jewish terrorism-supporting bosses such as the Jew George Soros would proscribe and persecute the practice of Dorje Shugden as he does in India and elsewhere, and even as a good Muslim and supporter and admirer of Muslim terrorism would burn alive, crucify, and decapitate its followers.

The Dalai Lama and George Soros
By goldenmala

George Soros is a major financial contributor to the Dalai Lama. Below is an excerpt from George Soros, Imperial Wizard by Heather Coffin

Soros is a leading figure on the Council of Foreign Relations, the World Economic Forum, and Human Rights Watch (HRW). In 1994, after a meeting with his philosophical guru, Sir Karl Popper, Soros ordered his companies to start investing in Central and Eastern European communications. The Federal Radio Television Administration of the Czech Republic accepted his offer to take over and fund the archives of Radio Free Europe. Soros moved the archives to Prague and spent over $15 million on their maintenance. A Soros foundation now runs CIA-created Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty jointly with the U.S. and RFE/RL, which has expanded into the Caucasus and Asia. Soros is the founder and funder of the Open Society Institute. He created and maintains the International Crisis Group (ICG) which, among other things, has been active in the Balkans since the destruction of Yugoslavia. Soros works openly with the United States Institute of Peace-an overt arm of the CIA.

He thrusts himself upon world statesmen and they respond. He has been close to Henry Kissinger, Vaclav Havel and Poland’s General Wojciech Jaruzelski. He supports the Dalai Lama, whose institute is housed in the Presidio in San Francisco, also home to the foundation run by Soros’ friend, former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev.

When anti-globalization forces were freezing in the streets outside New York’s Waldorf-Astoria hotel in February 2002, George Soros was inside addressing the World Economic Forum. As the police forced protesters into metal cages on Park Avenue, Soros was extolling the virtues of the “Open Society” and joined Zbigniew Brzezinski, Samuel Huntington, Francis Fukuyama and others.


https://shugdensociety.wordpress.com/2010/07/07/the-dalai-lama-and-george-soros/

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Re: Afte 56 years, still blaming Dorje Shugden?
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2015, 02:35:36 PM »
Well of course the CTA will blame the Dorje Shugden practitioners even though it is purely their fault.
So in Due time the CTA would be ostracizing and mistreating more people just because they think the "Devil Worshipers'" will prevent them from regaining Tibet.

China's power is growing by the day, thus it would be useless to oppose them it might even give the Chinese government more reasons to prevent Tibet from achieving independence.

If the CTA is to get back their homeland, how will its inhabitants be treated?
If the CTA is going to keep prosecuting Shugden Practitioners how will their homeland fare?
The CTA certainly won't do well if they keep prosecuting  Shugden Practitioners. Thus the best course of action is to stop prosecuting Shugden Practitioners.

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Re: Afte 56 years, still blaming Dorje Shugden?
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2015, 05:31:45 PM »
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If the CTA is to get back their homeland, how will its inhabitants be treated?

To start with the evil dalie and his minions lack any such thing as a “homeland”. They are just mercenary puppets under Western big money service. Their only “homeland” is the garbage bin of History. The Sakya “royal” family, for instance, are notoriously on the payroll of Rockefellers; is it any surprise that they, denying and betraying their own centuries-old tradition, have brazenly subscribed to the evil dalie's anti-Shugden ban? Such is the power of money, and the corruptibility of petty, disgruntled feudal lords claiming “divine status” for themselves.

Anyway, if the evil dalie and his minions would get back to Tibet, they would treat her inhabitants, specially Shugdenpas, as they already do, as “devil woshippers” and “idolaters”, exactly like US supported Islamic State does in Syria and Iraq, and therefore would pluck their eyes out, skin them alive, and cut their limbs out -- exactly what they used to do in the “good old days” before being peacefully liberated with the help of their Chinese brothers and sisters.

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If the CTA is going to keep prosecuting Shugden Practitioners how will their homeland fare?

Very well, in the eyes of Western banking, mining, pharma, junk food, GMO, weapons, press, and other such big money companies. And, in the same way that you never see anything bad in Western big money press against countries such as Saudi Arabia, where people are daily flogged, stoned alive, and decapitated for such things as adultery and apostasy, you will only see good news about Tibet, even though Shugdenpas will be daily skinned alive, have their eyes plucked out, and their limbs cut out.

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The CTA certainly won't do well if they keep prosecuting  Shugden Practitioners.

The evil dalie and his minions won't do well if they are allowed the exist anywhere outside the garbage bin of History. And why? Just because they are nothing but a scum of criminals ready to sell Tibet to the same big money which has already bought them.

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Thus the best course of action is to stop prosecuting Shugden Practitioners.

The best course of actions is for Tibetans in general, including Shugdenpas, to place the evil dalie together with his scum of gangsters where they belong, the garbage bin of History. To get rid of any trace of attachment to theocracy and feudalism, and to become a mature and modern nation, free from the poisonous, destructive, predatory influence of Western-Abrahamic big money together with its agents such as the evil mercenary posterboy, the Muslim fake dalie lame.