Why suggest negotiation with ISIS and ignore Dorje Shudgen people?

[DharmaSpace]

Dalai Lama blasted after calling on West to negotiate with ISIS
By Nick Gutteridge | Express
ON THE WEB, 8 December 2015
The Dalai Lama faced fierce criticism today after he said that the only way to defeat Islamic State (ISIS) is to negotiate a peace with them.

The spiritual leader raised eyebrows when he insisted that the West “must engage in dialogue with ISIS” and said leaders should still “have respect” for the terror group despite its sickening crimes against humanity.

In a controversial interview the world’s most prominent Buddhist — characterised as a religion of peace — said education and not war is the key to defeating the jihadi movement.

But his comments were savagely criticised in some quarters, with people suggesting the holy leader should be sent to negotiate with ISIS himself.

Speaking to Italian newspaper La Stampa, the Dalai Lama also praised Germany for taking in record numbers of refugees despite strong criticism of Angela Merkel’s open-door policy.

Asked how ISIS can be defeated, he replied: “Through dialogue. You have to listen, understand, still have respect for others. There is no other way.”

He then added: ”We must do it with your heart. Be compassionate. Educate. Germany has been very generous to accept refugees, feed them and dress them, but now will have to educate them.”

“Every man has his own religion and its truth, but in a community there must be so many religions and so many truths. Islam is a religion of peace, the intolerant damage their beliefs and their brothers.”

But the comments were widely criticised on social media, where users accused the spiritual leader of failing to grasp the severity of the threat posed by ISIS.

One Twitter user fumed: “Yes, let’s send the Dalai Lama to ISIS as an ambassador, then.”

Nicholas Jackson wrote: “ISIS will see your dialogue and raise you an AK-47.”

Diogo Maia tweeted a picture of jihadis barbarically killing prisoners by lowering them into fires, adding: “Lets go, Dalai Lama. We can ‘dialogue’ with ISIS at this barbecue.”

Another user, Rob Kent, branded the spiritual leader a “terrorist sympathiser”, presumably as a response to David Cameron’s blistering attack against opponents of Syrian airstrikes.

It is not the first time the Dalai Lama has landed in hot water over controversial comments.

In September it emerged that the spiritual leader once said his successor could only be a woman if they were “very attractive” otherwise they would be “not much use”.

Critics have also savaged writings in which he equates abortion to murder and calls homosexuality a sin and a crime, whilst noting that he appears to significantly change his tone when talking to Western audiences.

Last week MPs voted in favour of extending RAF airstrikes against ISIS to Syria, meaning Britain has joined a growing US-led coalition aiming to wipe out the evil jihadis.

Russian president Vladimir Putin is also carrying out his own bombing campaign against the terrorists, who have suffered significant losses in recent months.

http://www.tibetsun.com/news/2015/12/08/dalai-lama-blasted-after-calling-on-west-to-negotiate-with-isis

A common recurring theme of the Dorje Shugden ban is that Dalai Lama and CTA are always willing to negotiate with despotic governments, or suggest dialogues with less than squeaky clean influential individuals like Shohoko Asahara, ISIS and so forth. But never dialogue with Dorje Shudgen practitioners and lama, who are not only law abiding individuals, spiritual and genuinely want to benefit many sentient beings.

[fruven]

Yeah. Whatever happened to Dorje Shugden practitioners? Why no dialogue to remove the discrimination?

Why let more Tibetans sacrifice themselves through immolation?

Are we lower than scum as any anti Dorje Shugden haters would like everyone to belief?

[eyesoftara]

Again the Dalai Lama shows compassions to even the lowest criminals whatever the religion but not to Shugden practice.

It is time the world realize this strange act of the Dalai Lama. It is as though Shugden is worst that murderers or is there another reason?

I agree though that the West should negotiate with ISIS but for the Dalai Lama, I plead that He should negotiate with Shugden Lamas.

[angelica]

Dalai Lama suggest a Dialogue with the ISIS that commit horrible and cruel massacre, bombing and etc. People with this barbaric mind, will they want to have dialogue? 

Dalai Lama, how about Dorje Shugden's ban? Can we have dialogue too? Dorje Shugden community are peaceful people, we don't kill if we don't get what we want. We just want a dialogue for you to listen to us, understand and also respect our choice to practice Dorje Shugden.  Lift the ban for us to practice peacefully. Be compassionate with the Dorje Shugden's community suffering too.

[Jason Statham]

It is definitely not wrong that the Dalai Lama is thinking of appropriate ways to stop ISIS from killing more people. He would go so far to make peace with the ISIS so that the Syrians will not have to suffer but what about the Dorje Shugden practitioners? Are they not humans as well? Why is it that the Dalai Lama would tell us to still have some respect to the leader of the terrorists while His people are discriminating DS practitioners and He is not doing anything about it? Why would He try to help terrorists who have taken countless of people's lives but not people of His own race who are suffering because of the ban. Why can't the Dalai Lama lift the ban already, how long more do we have to wait?

[vajrastorm]

Yes, HH Dalai Lama is vocal about compassion when it comes to cruel heartless terrorists who roast people alive. He talks about peaceful negotiations with ISIS and not war.Yet in His own backyard, he closes an eye and 'allows' his sycophants to carry out atrocities of persecution and violence on Shugden practitioners.

Are Shugden practitioners even on par in violence and terrorist acts with ISIS? Not in the least. Shugden practitioners practice Shugden for peace and invoke on Shugden, the Protector of Lama Tsongkhapa's teachings, to protect the teachings and lineage practices of Lama Tsongkhapa for the benefit of this degenerate age who need them badly - Tsongkhapa's expounding of Nagarjuna's middle view of emptiness - the Correct view ,that if attained, will be the most powerful antidote to ignorance, wrong views and delusions - the basic cause of suffering.

Hence, it is most unjustified and unfair for the Shugden practitioners that they are being labelled as demon worshippers and are thus ostracised and persecuted. Please lift the ban , Dalai Lama, and end all atrocities that have been unfairly meted out to Shugden practitioners.

[DharmaSpace]

There is no threat of Dorje Shudgen people descending into mindless violence, oppressing women, killing innocent babies all in the name of Dorje Shudgen.

We are more likely to do more mantra retreats, prostrations retreats and other kinds of deity retreat than spill the blood of others and hurt others.

I hope Dalai Lama's followers are here, reading this and absorbing that Dalai Lama is more likely to negotiate and talk to people who kill almost indiscriminately but not talk to Dorje Shudgen people who shares the similar teachings and teachers as what the Dalai Lama received when he was younger.
 

[grandmapele]

Dharmaspace is right. There is no threat of violence form Dorje Shugden practitioners so he need not worry about this plus the fact that he will not get any media attention in this respect.

If he talks about the ISIS negotiation he will get huge coverage because it is 'the flavour of the month'! All the Dalai Lama is doing is for media attention to propel him him into the limelight in a positive way rather than spend an iota of time for anything that will show the world what is behind the scenes for the ordinary Tibetans. In fact, it may be used to divert attentions! The Dalai Lama has very good spin doctors.

[kris]

It is very sad that Dorje Shugden people are treated even worse than the most violent terrorists in the world. And the worst part is, this is not the first time. Whenever there is a war or disagreement, HH Dalai Lama is the one who will always recommend a dialogue, but when it comes to Dorje Shugden matters, He didn't grant an audience. And worse, when His representatives CTA met with some of the Dorje Shugden groups, there was no sincerity at all, and denied all the obvious fact about the ban. The Dorje Shugden practitioners are only asking to be left alone for their own practice, and for that, we the Dorje Shugden practitioners are not granted.

[fruven]

Is ISIS non-sectarian, not a cult, not a spirit worship, not as toxic as Dorje Shugden believers therefore we should have dialogue with them?

In the name of branding Dorje Shugden as sectarianism and a cult, the spirit of religious freedom can be so easily violated. I cannot trust CTA in making any more good decisions for Tibetans future since they can provoke the Tibetans to harm Tibetans.

[Shugdener]

I think it is slightly contradictory for H.H the 14th Dalai Lama to call on Western countries to "negotiate" peace with the ISIS group when he himself is doing something that is similar to what the ISIS is doing.

H.H the Dalai Lama need to know that Him putting a ban on the practice of Dorje Shugden is some what denying ones right to freedom to worship and Buddha just like what the ISIS is doing by kidnapping, torturing, terrorizing and killing people who hold different religion views from them.

It's not that I don't want the killings by ISIS to stop, I just feel that the Dalai Lama is being a bit of a hypocrite  and  I think the Dalai Lama should set his own example with his own people as well. The Dalai Lama is a well known figure of peace and the examples he sets are sure to be followed by people around the world, sometimes Buddhist or not.

[DharmaSpace]

@Shugdener, the Dalai lama of course does nothing close to ISIS/Daesh a new term I read recently. However the Dalai Lama actions are hypocritical in the sense that on one hand he calls for peace amongst men and in the same breath he has maintained a discriminatory ban on Dorje Shudgen people.

Despite this 'invisible' ban or non existent, and a ban that can only probably be found in the out reaches of the galaxy, there is a clear sign that there is a ban and discrimination happening and that is because Tibetans and Gelug practitioners have not reconciled. Families of Tibetans in many countries around the world have not reconciled their differences.

Time has not healed the rift between brothers, practitioners and Tibetans, how many more mistruths will the Dalai lama and CTA keep on uttering.... the world has woken up and they know something has changed the dynamics of the Gelug community amongst those who practice Dorje Shudgen and those who done. It isn't a zero sum game, many lives have suffered, some destroyed, some have gone cold, some have become stronger in the face of this Dorje Shudgen ban. The world no longer think nothing happened 20 years back in those tibetan settlements, just because the Dalai Lama said so, something did happen to change the Tibetans and divide them.

[VeronicaSmith]

This comments make no sense and yes they are controversial. The worst part about it is the hypocracy, how can he the ambassador to peace and preach about resolving these matters when he is just ignoring the ban and the people he is hurting with the ban and by making sure that shugden is gone. He is a pot calling the kettle black. The people reacting with anger are not wrong, he stated something that is not in the cards for this matter with the people. I hope that makes sense.

It is hypocracy because he is completely ignoring his cases and the suffering that he is causing, yet commenting on what to do on different matters.

I don't want to jump to conclusions though. I will stick around for updates.

[Matibhadra]

Why [does the evil dalie] suggest negotiation with ISIS and ignore Dorje Shudgen people?

Because the evil dalie shares the nature of terrorists, but not the nature of pure Buddhist practitioners. As simple as that.

But there is another, much better question: Why do some so-called Shugdenpas want negotiation with the evil dalie, who shares the nature of a terrorist, instead of denouncing him?

And the answer is simple as well: because such so-called Shugdenpas are politically motivated; and just what they want is their share of power within the evil dalie's political establishment.

[James Bond]

Hmm, this is something to think about. How can the Dalai Lama want to try to make peace with such groups like ISIS, but yet not with already peaceful groups such as Dorje Shugden Practitioners?

Already there has been so much violence and suffering caused by the ban. Monks get injured and people get hurt. ISIS also hurt people. And the Dalai Lama tries to do something about ISIS, but why not the ban? If the ban really is causing harm and suffering to people, like ISIS, why not try to solve it too? It is probably easier to negotiate with DS practitioners than ISIS anyway. Interesting.