Will there be "TWO" 15th Dalai Lama's ?

[Harold Musetescu]

When the present 14th Dalai Lama passes away will there be two 15th Dalai Lama's?

My answer is yes, there will be two 15th Dalai Lama's. There are presently two 17th Karmapa"s and there very well be two 42nd Sakya Trizin's.

There will be a 15th Dalai Lama from India and he will be anti Dorje Shugden. There will also be a 15th Dalai Lama from Tibet and he will be totally pro Dorje Shugden. The Indian 15th Dalai Lama will be an incarnation of the evil and murderous 14th Dalai Lama. The Tibetan 15th Dalai Lama will not be an incarnation of the present falsely enthroned 14th Dalai Lama.

The Tibetan 15th Dalai Lama will be chosen via the use of the "Golden Urn" method by the Chinese Government. He will learn and embrace Dorje Shugden will all his heart. He will give teachings and  empowerments of Dorje Shugden throughout Tibet. He will formally make Dorje Shugden a YIDAM so all of us can now embrace him as our Buddha,Yidam and Dharmapala. He will retire the Pehar  and make Dorje Shugden the new State Protector of Tibet. Now that Pehar is formally retired there will be no need for the corrupt Nechung Oracle. The Tibetan 15th Dalai Lama will chose a Dorje Shugden Oracle (Panglung or Ari Kuten?) as the new State Oracle of Tibet.

We all know that the Chinese Government is pro Dorje Shugden. They have now passed federal laws making it a crime in Tibet to try and stop the teaching of King Dorje Shugden.  A crime to harass or discriminate against the followers of Dorje Shugden. They will actively support the new Tibetan 15th  Dalai Lama in his efforts to spread Dorje Shugden far an wide. The Panchen Lama will join him and they will work together spreading the teachings of Dorje Shugden

The Tibetan 15th Dalai Lama will now SHARE HIS THRONE with King Dorje Shugden. They will sit side by side on their joint throne in the Potala Palace in Lhasa.

The war will soon be over and King Dorje Shugden will be the victor. The evil and fake 14th Dalai Lama will be defeated. It is time for the rightful incarnation of the Dalai Lama to return. His title was stolen from him by the false 5th Dalai Lama and his backers. The true 5th Dalai Lama should have been Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen but through bribery and corruption it was stolen from him.

The new Tibetan 15th Dalai Lama will be the incarnation of our beloved Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen.

Is all this so very hard to believe?

[Ringo Starr]

And to further extrapolate on what was written by Harold Musetescu above...

And Tibet makes a big return as the spiritual heartland, and upon seeing this, many Tibetan monks and laity make a beeline back to Tibet making the CTA redundant.

The Dharma flourishes under the patronage of the largest economic power on earth.

[SabS]

What a beautiful scenario indeed! May the pure Dharma return to flourish and the people embrace its practise with faith and clarity. May the pure lineage Gurus teach without persecution, abuse and slander. How wonderful that would be! But hypothetically, what will happen to the followers of the other 15th Dalai Lama? 

[Harold Musetescu]

They would continue to collect "BLACK KARMA". If you live with a heart full of hate in this life you will be reborn with a heart full of hate. This "KARMIC STAIN" will continue for life times.

[Harold Musetescu]

The news in December 2016 of the CTA continuing their ban on Dorje Shugden is tragic news but expected by many.

I believe that there is no hope of any lifting of this ban while the 14th Dalai Lama lives.

With this in mind we followers of Dorje Shugden should hold fast in the declaration of the present day Tengyeling Oracle.

There will be two 15th Dalai Lamas and are hopes are with the 15th Tibetan Dalai Lama.

He will be an incarnation of Drakpa Gyeltsen and he will make Dorje Shugden the State Protector of Tibet.
Dorje Shugden will replace Pehar and the Nechung Oracle as the "Official" State Oracle of Tibet. The Chinese government who is pro Dorje Shugden will continue in their support of Dorje Shugden. The 15th Tibetan Dalai Lama and the Panchen Lama will spread the teachings of Dorje Shugden through out Tibet and beyond.

So we all must wait for the future 15th Tibetan Dalai Lama and once he is enthroned our future will be well.

The 15th Indian Dalai Lama and the CTA will try to continue with their ban and suffer the "Black Karma" they will create.

[Harold Musetescu]

History has shown that there were two candidates for the position of the 5th Dalai Lama. One of these two boys was none other then Drakpa Gyeltsen, Dorje Shugden. He was considered by many to be the true 5th Dalai Lama but because of corruption and bribery by high members of the Tibetan Government and a noble family the other boy was chosen.

Drakpa Gyeltsen was and is the true Dalai Lama and this will be corrected with his enthronement as the 15th Tibetan Dalai Lama.

The previous 13th Dalai Lama and the present 14th Dalai Lama are not the true emanations of the "Buddha of Compassion". The 14th Dalai Lama has shown he is not the true Dalai Lama by his cruel and evil ban of Dorje Shugden. The 13th Dalai Lama has shown this by the murders of His Holiness Demo Tulku, Nyari Tulku,Methar and the destruction of Tengyeling Monastery. Would a TRUE EMANATION of the Buddha of Compassion sanctioned the death of two "Tulkus" and the suppression and destruction of a Gelugpa Monastery? Demo Tulku and Nyari Tulku were two "LIVING BUDDHAS" and the greatest crime you can commit in Buddhism is the kill of a "BUDDHA".

The 14th Dalai Lama is not the true Dalai Lama.

We will see the true Dalai Lama sitting on the his throne in the Potala Palace with Dorje Shugden sitting with him on their throne.

Please pray for the return of Drakpa Gyeltsen as the next 15th Tibetan Dalai Lama.

[Harold Musetescu]

I have heard that both the CTA and the 14th Dalai Lama are aware that there will be two 15th Dalai Lamas.

They know that the Chinese Government via the "Golden Urn" method of divination will chose their own 15th Dalai Lama. The CTA will chose their own 15th Dalai Lama.

They also know that the Chinese Tibetan 15th Dalai Lama will be pro Dorje Shugden as is the present Panchen Lama.

The CTA and the 14th Dalai Lama fear that everything will be Dorje Shugden with the future Tibetan 15th Dalai Lama. Dorje Shugden as the State Oracle, Dorje Shugden as the State Protector etc. etc..

Two 15th Dalai Lamas, two 17th Karamapas and two Sakya Trizens.

[James Bond]

This article was a real eye-opener for me. I think the main thing that I took away from this article was that the Dalai Lama is really indeed quite 2-faced when it comes to whether or not he is pro Dorje Shugden or whether he is against Dorje Shugden.

Of course realistically there can only be and there will only be one Dalai Lama. Its not possible for there to be 2. But then again this post was not meant to be exactly a serious one. However I did find this post quite different than the rest. It stood out to me. Good article.

[Harold Musetescu]

Hello James Bond

The article is very serious.

The Chinese have already declared that they will find and enthrone the next 15th Dalai Lama.

The CTA will also find and enthrone their own 15th Dalai Lama.

[Matibhadra]

The Chinese have already declared that they will find and enthrone the next 15th Dalai Lama.

The Dalai Lama, by definition, is just an official appointed directly by the Chinese, or indirectly by some Chinese vassal.

The very first Dalai Lama (retrospectively called the “third“), Sonam Gyatso, received this title from a Chinese vassal, the Mongolian warlord Altan Khan, himself bearing the Chinese title “Obedient and Righteous King”.

Of course, disgruntled Tibetan feudal aristocrats in exile, with the support of Western media and Hollywood, may want to appoint their own “dalai lama” for the mockery of the world, as though the current clown were not enough.

[Pema8]

"They have now passed federal laws making it a crime in Tibet to try and stop the teaching of King Dorje Shugden.  A crime to harass or discriminate against the followers of Dorje Shugden."
That is great news!

[Harold Musetescu]

Hello Pema

It is great news.

Can you now see how the Chinese gov't will support a pro Dorje Shugden 15th Tibetan Dalai Lama?

It will be a new world for all of us followers of Dorje Shugden.

A future Tibet where Dorje Shugden will be the "State Protector", the "State Oracle", a "Yidam"  and the 15th Dalai Lama will be an incarnation of "Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen".

 

[Harold Musetescu]

With all the articles being written here about India turning it back on the Dalai Lama and the CTA we may wonder what does this all mean.

This all goes back to 1959 and the 14th Dalai Lama leaving Tibet.

The story is that Dorje Shugden took trance of the 6th Panglung Oracle at the request of H.H. Trijang Rinpoche.

He told the Dalai Lama the route he must take to leave Tibet.

The 14th followed the advice and escaped Tibet and found freedom in India.

That is one version of the story and there is an other version which tells a very different tale.

In the other version Dorje Shugden did not help the Dalai Lama to "escape" Tibet.

Dorje Shugden in fact expelled the evil 14th Dalai Lama from Tibet.

Dorje Shugden tricked the Dalai Lama into thinking he was escaping to his freedom.

He did this so the 14th Dalai Lama would "Never Return to Tibet".

Dorje Shugden knew first hand the bloody lineage of the Dalai Lamas.

The 5th DL coming to power with the help of Gushen Khan and his Mongolian Army.

Their murder of countless Karma Kagyu monks and the destruction of their monasteries.

The 17th Karmapa stated this publicly. see link http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=6035.0


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Likewise, if you think about the history of the Kagyu lineage, and in particular the Karma Kamtsang, there have been many losses. For example, when the Mongol Gushen invaded, their armies razed many Karma Kamtsang monasteries and many lineages of practices and explanations were lost.
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You can find all this at Tsem Rinpoche's website under the title "Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje Explosive Special Message" dated March 09, 2018.

Finally we now see that even the 17th Karmapa stated that the Dalai Lama's lineage has engaged in the destruction of Monasteries and the Lineages of Tulkus.

He puts the blame squarely at the feet of the 5th Dalai Lama.

The same 5th Dalai Lama who attempted to murder Dorje Shugden with Fire Pujas.

The same 5th Dalai Lama who's Government was behind the MURDER of Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen.

We know what the 5th Dalai Lama did to the Sakya, Karma Kagyu, Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen and Dorje Shugden.

We know what the 13th Dalai Lama did to Tengyeling Monastery, His Holiness Demo Tulku, His Eminence Nyari and Methar who later became a Dharmapala in Dorje Shugden's retinue.

MURDER AND DESTRUCTION!!!

The present 14th Dalai Lama is destroying pro Dorje Shugden Tulku lineages and replacing them with his self appointed FAKE TULKUS.

The list includes,

1) H.H. Zong Rinpoche
2) H.H. Ling Rinpoche
3) H.E. Domo Geshe Rinpoche
4) H.E. Serkong Rinpoche
5) H.E. Kundeling Rinpoche

When H.E. Tsem Tulku passes away the Dalai Lama and his CTA will add the 26th Tsem Tulku to their list of fake anti Dorje Shugden Tulkus.

In 1959 Dorje Shugden saw into the future and saw the destruction the 14th would commit against his Tulkus, Geshes, Lamas, monks, nuns and their monasteries and nunneries.

Dorje Shugden in 1959 expelled the the 14th Dalai Lama and cast a curse against the 14th's return to Tibet.

This evil 14th Dalai Lama and his CTA will never return to Tibet in this life time nor any future life times.

The 15th Tibetan born Dalai Lama will be pro Dorje Shugden.

He will make Dorje Shugden the "State Protector of Tibet".

He will make Dorje Shugden the "State Oracle of Tibet".

He will make Dorje Shugden a "YIDAM".

The 15th Tibetan born Dalai Lama and the Panchen Lama will spread Dorje Shugden around the world.

The 15th Indian born Dalai Lama and his CTA will have NOTHING other than Dorje Shugden's revenge for their murdering Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen.

We are living witnesses to the destruction of both the evil Dalai Lama lineage and the CTA.

Shorting we will see the evil 14th Dalai Lama die and with that the evil power he held over Tibet and his people in exile.

The 15th Tibetan born Dalai Lama will be Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen and Dorje Shugden's final victory for all of us.

All of us who have suffered for centuries at the hands of the Dalai Lama's fake murderous reincarnations and all of his corrupt governments.

OM BENZA WIKI BITANA SOHA

OM DHARMAPALA METHAR SARWA SIDDHI HUNG HUNG

[Harold Musetescu]

Over two years ago I started this thread about a future with two 15th Dalai Lamas. With the link below it appears my prediction may be coming true.

http://southasianmonitor.com/2018/09/26/the-dalai-lama-has-chosen-his-successor/

[jeremyg]

That is a very intriguing prediction. I have just read through your posts.
A few questions, you keep referring to the 14th Dalai Lama as evil and murderous. Even if so was the case how is it possible that with all the negative Karma and vow breaking he has been able to reincarnate? Surely if he was evil like you say he would not be able to come back and sit on a throne, and would be reborn in the three lower realms.
Care to clarify for me?

Thanks