Can Oracles reincarnate as Oracles?

[Harold Musetescu]

Can a person who in his previous life was a recognized "Oracle" reincarnate as an "Oracle" in his next life?

If you have the blessing in this life to be recognized as an "Oracle" should that not continue in your next life time?

I am aware of family lineages of "Oracles", i.e. the Gadong and Lamo Tsangpa family Oracle lineage.

I am not talking about family lineages but of individual lineages.

If you in your previous life time took "recognized" trance say of "Namkar Barzin" it would make sense that it would carry on into your next life time.

We are all aware of "Tulku" lineages could there be "Oracle" lineages in Tibetan Buddhism?

[Harold Musetescu]

I feel that this is an unexamined area of Tibetan Buddhism.

I spoke with an "Oracle" some time ago and we discussed this very topic.

He felt that I may be right in my views about Oracles reincarnating as Oracles lifetime after lifetime.

He told me that the progression for an Oracle lifetime after lifetime would be to develop beyond going into a mere "Trance".

He felt that the highest level for "Oracles" would be to "Channel" a Dharmapala and not simple go into a "Trance".

To be wake and apart of the process and not to go and "fall asleep" during the visitation of the Dharmapala.

Waiting for another to tell you what had happen while you were "Asleep".

To have a Dharmapala live inside him 24 hours a day and not simply visit him from time to time.

To have a greater connection with his Dharmapala

Remember he told me that "I may be right" not that I was right.

[Vajra10]

Interesting question!

I would say that if an individual has been once as an oracle, one will definitely reincarnate as an oracle or a higher being, provided if one has truly practice in the past lives. Things happen for reasons, they will not happen for nothing. Try to look at ourselves, how are we doing in this life? If we are smart, we should start behaving before it's too late.

[Harold Musetescu]

 

[Harold Musetescu]

The answer is YES !!!

The Oracle that has returned is the Tengyeling Oracle of the now destroyed Tengyeling Monastery that was destroyed by the late 13th Dalai lama and his government.

The Oracle of Tsiu Marpo who is the Dorje Shugden dharmapala KACHE MARPO.

The Oracle of the Dorje Shugden dharmapala METHAR.

The Oracle of the Dorje Shugden dharmapala SHANGMO DORJE PUTRI.

The Oracle of the Dorje Shugden dharmapala NAMKAR BARZIN.

The Oracle of the pro Dorje Shugden dharmapala "POWERFUL HERO" aka PATSEL.

The Oracle of the dharmapala SHINJACHEN'S main minister JAGO THANGNAK.

The Oracle of the dharmapala THANGSPA KARPO the peaceful emanation of SETRAP.

FINALLY THE TENGYELING ORACLE IS ALSO THE ORACLE OF NONE OTHER THAN DORJE SHUGDEN.

YES HIGH ORACLES DO RETURN LIFETIME AFTER LIFETIME AS HIGH ORACLES.

THE PRESENT DAY TENGYELING ORACLE IS ALIVE AND WELL TODAY IN 2024.

[Harold Musetescu]

This is what happens when you betray an ORACLE !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-fACIz_f6k

A message from the Tengyeling Oracle.

[Harold Musetescu]

Tsem Rinpoche stated in his article about Methar and the Oracle of Tengyeling monastery.

" This marked the end of the Tengyeling Monastery and the line of Tengyeling oracles who took trance of Tsiu Marpo (Kache Marpo)."

Here is the link    https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/great-lamas-masters/methar-of-tengyeling-monastery.html

Here is the reply from the current Tengyeling Oracle, GESAR KUTEN.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTWk-csvaBc

[Harold Musetescu]

This is a messaged posted by Pastor Elena Khong Jean Ai to me about Methar and Tengyeling Monastery.
The message is near the bottom of the article on on Nyatrul and Tengyeling Monastery.

https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/dorje-shugden/the-spirit-nyatrul-magic-mischief-and-misery.html

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Pastor Elena Khong Jean Ai on Oct 3, 2016 at 7:28 pm
Hi Harold,

Thank you for your comments. It has been brought to Rinpoche’s attention that you know some things about Tengyeling and Methar. Our Rinpoche has been very interested in Methar and anything associated with Tsiu Marpo, Kache Marpo and Dorje Shugden.

It seems like you have a lot of information. Would you like to help us get a blog post up about Tengyeling, Methar and what happened in your own words, and we will be glad to publish it?

The greatness of Tengyeling, the Demo Tulku line of incarnations, Methar and Tsiu Marpo should not be forgotten, but it seems the powers that be want to suppress all of this. So it would be good to get a nice article out that talks in a gentle way about what has been happening because it will garner more viewers and more sympathy.

Pastor Jean Ai
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[Harold Musetescu]

Tsem Tulku wrote the article on Methar in Oct, 2016. Here is the link for that article.
https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/great-lamas-masters/methar-of-tengyeling-monastery.html

The following is from the present day "Tengyeling Oracle" which was written on this site over three months prior to Tsem's article. It shows that the present day "Tengyeling Oracle" provided not only the MANTRA for Methar but also the visualization of his wrathful forum that Tsem Rinpoche used in his article.

I have linked below the full article about what the PRESENT Tengyeling Oracle has stated about METHAR.

https://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=5607.0

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Re: Dorje Shugden, Kache Marpo and Methar?
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2016, 11:55:15 AM »
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Methar's mantra - "OM METHAR SARVA SIDDHI HUNG, OM METHAR SARVA SIDDHI HUNG, OM METHAR SARVA SIDDHI HUNG"
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Re: Dorje Shugden, Kache Marpo and Methar?
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2016, 08:41:03 PM »
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Quote from: Harold Musetescu on June 30, 2016, 08:46:44 PM
Visualize this as your thangka of Methar. A man standing on an ocean of blood and dead bodies. From the neck up the face of a man. He has fangs dripping human blood and he has long black hair tied in a top knot. From the neck down he is SKINNED ALIVE his body blood red in colour. In his right hand a long black spear and in his left hand a long bloody rosary of human skulls that encircles the neck of a dead man's body. His spear stuck in the dead man's heart. This is Methar the dharmapala from Tengyeling Monastery.
Also Methar became a dharmapala after is death in 1912. Namkar Barzin became a dharmapala in the 1920's.
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Hi Harold,
You seemed very familiar with Methar. Is it possible that you get an image of Methar somewhere, take a picture of it and post it here. Nobody has ever heard of Methar and you are one of the few who are talking about him. Please share if you have anything on him, I means as in thangka or statue. It would be most interesting and adds another protector-figure to the entourage of Dorje Shugden.


Most interestingly on DECEMBER 7,1913 the present day Tengyeling Oracle told the world about Methar. This was three years prior to Tsem's article on Methar.

Here is another quote from a reader on this site.

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Re: Dorje Shugden, Kache Marpo and Methar?
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2016, 02:38:06 AM »
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@Harold, you had on December 7, 2013 also speculated the following:

"Please remember the great Demo Tulku Rinpoche who was false accused and murdered by the Dalai Lama. Remember Demo Tulku Rinpoche’s “Kuten” of Tengye Ling Monastery.

Remember Tengye Ling Monastery that was destroyed in 1914 by the Dalai Lama.

May Demo Tulku Rinpoche, his Kuten and Tengye Ling Monastery rise again as a home to Lord Dorje Shugden.

Om benza wiki betana shatroo maraya pet.

A hidden victory since 1959, BUT NO LONGER MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN DORJE SHUGDEN."


Here is an old photograph of Tengye-Ling Monastery.

https://www.wdl.org/en/item/11641/
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The present day Tengyeling Oracle is 73 years old. Please pray for his long life and his continued service to Dorje Shugden, Kache Marpo, Namkar Barzin, Shangmo Dorje Putri and METHAR!!