Author Topic: If Marco Polo were alive today, what tales would he tell about China and Tibet?  (Read 5620 times)

Rowntree

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Marco Polo was the first Westerner to refer to Tibet as a part of China, and nobody objected during the Yuan Dynasty. It covers a wide range of topics around the China and Tibet's politics. It also covers Dorje Shugden controversy and a recommended read worth your time.



A particularly divisive issue for the Buddhist community, both within Tibet and in the exiled communities is devotion to the Dorje Shugden deity, a 400-year old practice that began in the 17th century and has become a major tradition in Tibetan Buddhism. At the origin of the controversy lies a de facto ban on the religious practice issued by the 14th Dalai Lama decades ago. The CTA sees the religious practice of Dorje Shugden as a competing and heretical movement that may undermine their notion of the spiritual leadership of the 14th Dalai Lama inside Tibet and among Tibetan Buddhists.

The de-facto ban issued by the 14th Dalai Lama has generated considerable social tension and division in the diaspora, as well as in Tibetan society within China, leading the Chinese government to consider the Dorje Shugden controversy an important front for undermining what it says are efforts promoted by the 14th Dalai Lama aimed at destabilizing China. The religious hostility has been fed by considerable propaganda and counterpropaganda efforts during the last two decades and it is still an open battlefield that may escalate at any time. In historical terms, the implications could be reminiscent of Martin Luther’s reformation of Christianity centuries ago.


michaela

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It is interesting that Marco Polo refers to Tibet as part of China. So China claims on Tibet does have a historical basis.

Regardless of how it is being presented by now, I think the Tibetan should accept the fact that Tibet is (not was) part of China and will stay like that for the considerable future.

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Wow this is a very powerful article, one that is brutally truthful about Tibet and Tibetan leadership. It is quite objective and paints a picture of how the real Tibetan leadership is like. Hopefully, this is a wake-up call to many of the western donors who have been funding CTA's evil divisive activities! This reporter really researches his stuff. Would be could if he researched more on the Shugden issue and expose CTA even more.

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Because of the need for Western support of the exiled government and the significant role played by externally-based NGOs supporting Tibetan independence, Western hegemony is accepted in the diaspora’s discourses concerning Tibet and the Tibetan identity. A strategic essentialism that simplifies Tibetan identities for Westerners in the context of Shangri-La also impacts the self-identities of exiled Tibetans, many of whom accept Westernized notions of the Tibetan identity. Thus, although a modern sense of nationhood was absent in pre-1951 Tibet, CTA representations cast Tibetan nationhood as an historical reality. To gain legitimacy in the West, democratizing elements have been added to self-governance in exile, and the vocabulary of human rights, development, environmental protection, and so forth has been deployed by the CTA and supported by Western NGOs. Representations that directly fulfil the established Western image of Tibetans as inherently spiritual and peaceful have been especially prominent, forged by the personification of this utopia in the figure of the 14th Dalai Lama as a symbolic icon.

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“Of particular importance is one of the main propaganda tools used by the NGOs and the CTA to generate media attention and political discussion: the campaign of self-immolation in protest against Chinese rule in Tibet. This campaign has intensified since 2009, but has its roots in a few isolated cases that began around 1998 outside Tibet.”

In addition to what dsnowlion has shared above, this part really sucks to read. You would expect an NGO to function according to a noble guideline to a certain degree. You would not expect them to pair up with the CTA to use self-immolation as a propaganda tool just to garner media attention and political discussion. You are talking about people's lives here that are so precious to get! Come to think about it, the CTA may pay and manipulate people to self-immolate. These people might kill themselves thinking they are some kind of warrior the CTA may have manipulated them to believe in. The more you read about the CTA, the more their dirty laundry is exposed, you see a rotten body with a black heart using His Holiness' fame as a means to fulfill Eight Worldly Concerns. So much for a Buddhist country with rulers who wear the fake Buddhist name to perform legal mafia activities. 

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Even when laid out so blatantly with and justification revealing the harsh reality, particularly about the situation in Tibet and the sordid state of affairs of the Tibetan leadership, there are those who remain blind or maliciously seek to perpetuate such sordid state of affairs.

What is worse is that it appears those unscrupulous people are still able to garner support as seen the latest grant by US for Tibet. http://tibet.net/2018/03/us-congress-approves-increased-funding-for-tibetans-in-tibet-and-exile/

Seriously need more of such well-searched and articulated articles to intensify the wake-up call to many of the western donors who have been funding CTA's evil divisive activities.

michaela

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Marco Polo's statement only serves to strengthen China's claim over Tibet. But whether they like it or not, the Tibetans should accept the fact that China has the authority over Tibet Autonomous Region (TAR) which will be the case for the foreseeable future. Most of the countries in the world acknowledged China's supremacy over Tibet. The Tibetan refugees do not have the strength to fight China. Your CTA president is condemning China around the world and is certainly not helping the matter.

Tibetans should accept the fact that Tibet is under China's authority and stop creating further conflict about the matter. MOVE ON!

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Even when laid out so blatantly with and justification revealing the harsh reality, particularly about the situation in Tibet and the sordid state of affairs of the Tibetan leadership, there are those who remain blind or maliciously seek to perpetuate such sordid state of affairs.

What is worse is that it appears those unscrupulous people are still able to garner support as seen the latest grant by US for Tibet. http://tibet.net/2018/03/us-congress-approves-increased-funding-for-tibetans-in-tibet-and-exile/

Seriously need more of such well-searched and articulated articles to intensify the wake-up call to many of the western donors who have been funding CTA's evil divisive activities.


Was thinking along the same lines and wouldn't it be great if this journalist covered the Dorje Shugden issue/controversy and basically expose every little dirt there is to be found on the Tibetan Leadership. That would be epic!

And all the blame they have been hurling on Shugden practitioners being Chinese spies and agent and paid by CCP, now you here news that His Holiness himself trying to reach out to China, and want to desperately return to Tibet.

At every angle we look at things, it is best for all those who is trying to provoke China on Tibet's issues to just stop including that stupid actor Richard Gere who is lobbying for Tibet because he is clueless. Don't they realise that everything they do is just making things worse for the Dalai Lama?   


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By the mid-1980s many of the principal lamas had begun to shuttle back and forth between China and the exiled communities abroad, restoring their monasteries in Tibet and helping to revitalize Buddhism there, including the popular religious practice of worshipping the deity Dorje Shugden. This exchange of religious teaching and movement of clerics across the Chinese border in the Tibetan communities has generated, among the CTA and the 14th Dalai Lama, fears of an accelerating loss of spiritual authority with respect to rival monastic doctrines, leading to the de-facto ban of Dorje Shugden devotion and consequent religious tensions.

CTA needs to wake up, whatever justifications they have to enforce and keep on the ban does not hold water.

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It is said that Tibet was ruled by China, or at the very least subordinate to the Qing during much of the Qing dynasty. [Refer to Latourette (1964), Sperling (2004) and Feigon (1996)].

However, this debate does not prove to be useful as Tibet is now controlled by China and there is no way China will let Tibet be independent even with this historical argument. When the Dalai Lama himself said he wants autonomy and wants to stay with China, why are we discussing Tibetan independence?  8)


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It is said that Tibet was ruled by China, or at the very least subordinate to the Qing during much of the Qing dynasty. [Refer to Latourette (1964), Sperling (2004) and Feigon (1996)].

However, this debate does not prove to be useful as Tibet is now controlled by China and there is no way China will let Tibet be independent even with this historical argument. When the Dalai Lama himself said he wants autonomy and wants to stay with China, why are we discussing Tibetan independence?  8)

But some people cannot let this be and accept His Holiness's very own words. They are the Rangzen group that seems to reject His Holiness's views/vision and wishes. They would rather fight till to their death than to live and keep the enemy close and nurture/preserve Tibetan culture from within. Silly people, this is how they lost their country.

I guess small minded people can never think on a higher level. Hence, you have a lot of empty vessels shouting for a Free Tibet but unfortunately, they are also indirectly sabotaging His Holiness's plans to return to Tibet, China. And they say Dorje Shugden people are dangerous and troublemakers, look who is the one that's really dangerous. Like what Samdhong Rinpoche mentioned Rangzen people are more dangerous than Shugden-pas!