There are "THREE" Panchen Lama's.

[Harold Musetescu]

You may know about the two 11th Panchen Lama's but did you know that there is a third Panchen Lama.

That correct there are three "Living" Panchen Lama's.

We have the Dalai Lama's 11th Panchen Lama.

We have the Chinese backed 11th Panchen Lama.

Finally we have the Dalai Lama's 10th Panchen Lama, Panchen Otrul Rinpoche.

The Venerable Panchen Otrul (emanation) Rinpoche is still alive.

You may or may not know that there were two official 10th Panchen Lama's.

Just like we now have two 11th Panchen Lama's there were at one time two 10th Panchen Lama's.

The question is when the 10th Panchen Otrul Rinpoche dies will his reincarnation be the third 11th Panchen Lama?

[Harold Musetescu]

Here is a link to Tsem Rinpoche's article on the Dalai Lama recognizing the Chinese 11th Panchen Lama.

http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/current-affairs/dalai-lamas-sudden-change-of-mind-about-china-backed-panchen-lama.html

In this article it states that the Panchen Otrul Rinpoche is an emanation of the 9th Panchen Lama.

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"So is it possible to have more than one 11th Panchen Lama? The Dalai Lama was keen to provide evidence that it is possible even though, as you will notice from the video, there were no related questions that would prompt this information. In fact, this is not the first time there have been two Panchen Lamas. Even in the case of the previous 10th Panchen Lama, it is very well-known that two boys were identified as candidates to occupy the Panchen Lama throne. In the end, both were recognized as reincarnations of the 9th Panchen Lama but only one, the mind emanation, ascended to the throne. The other was recognized as Panchen Otrul, or “emanation of Panchen”.
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You should also know that Panchen Otrul Rinpoche is "Anti" Dorje Shugden.

So as you can now see clearly that we have three Panchen Lama emanations.

[Harold Musetescu]

Here is a link to Panchen Otrul Rinpoche's website.

http://www.jampaling.org/about-us/rinpoche/

[Harold Musetescu]

On July 27, 2018 Tsem Tulku had a youtube video done about the two 11th Panchen Lamas.
Here is the link to that youtube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UgSiAVxWI0
At the 18:30 mark Pastor Khong stated that the CTA has no means to chose their own 15th Dalai Lama.
Pastor Khong, Martin Chow and the moderator Phng Li Kim are totally wrong on this point.
As I have pointed out in this thread the corrupt CTA could use the Anti Dorje Shugden 10th Panchen Lama, Panchen Ontrul Rinpoche to recognize and enthrone THEIR very own anti Dorje Shugden 15th Dalai Lama.
We all know that it is well within the corrupt nature of the CTA to create their own handed picked anti Dorje Shugden 15th Lama.
Their 15th would be under THEIR and other anti Dorje Shugden Rinpoches total control.
Pray that the 10th Panchen Ontrul Rinpoche passes away before the current 14th Dalai Lama does.

[Harold Musetescu]

It appears that the 14th Dalai Lama has chosen a small Tibetan boy as the 15th Dalai Lama.

Here is a link to that news story.
http://southasianmonitor.com/2018/09/26/the-dalai-lama-has-chosen-his-successor/

If true the Dalai Lama has turned his back on both current 11th Panchen Lamas.

He and the CTA can now declare that the current living 10th Panchen Otrul Rinpoche is the only true Panchen Lama.

Panchen Otrul Rinpoche was officially recognized as the second incarnation of the previous 9th Panchen Lama.

When the 10th Panchen Otrul Rinpoche passes away the CTA and the Dalai Lama can find his reincarnation and recognize and enthrone him as the only true 11th Panchen Lama.

The 10th Panchen Otrul Rinpoche is anti Dorje Shugden and we must expect his incarnation the future 11th Panchen Rinpoche will also be.

[Matibhadra]

Maybe there are two Panchen Lamas. Maybe there are three Panchen Lamas. Whatever, the plural of Panchen Lama is known as Panchen Lamas, not "Panchen Lama's".

[Alex]

It appears that the 14th Dalai Lama has chosen a small Tibetan boy as the 15th Dalai Lama.

Here is a link to that news story.
http://southasianmonitor.com/2018/09/26/the-dalai-lama-has-chosen-his-successor/

If true the Dalai Lama has turned his back on both current 11th Panchen Lamas.

He and the CTA can now declare that the current living 10th Panchen Otrul Rinpoche is the only true Panchen Lama.

Panchen Otrul Rinpoche was officially recognized as the second incarnation of the previous 9th Panchen Lama.

When the 10th Panchen Otrul Rinpoche passes away the CTA and the Dalai Lama can find his reincarnation and recognize and enthrone him as the only true 11th Panchen Lama.

The 10th Panchen Otrul Rinpoche is anti Dorje Shugden and we must expect his incarnation the future 11th Panchen Rinpoche will also be.

It is very weird for His Holiness the Dalai Lama to recognize his own reincarnation. According to tradition, the next Dalai Lama will be recognized by Panchen Lama and vice versa. If His Holiness is recognizing his reincarnation now, does it mean that he wants to make sure China will not and cannot choose their own Dalai Lama?

Recently, His Holiness said that it is possible for a high lama to have several emanations coming back. He is hinting that the China-backed Panchen Lama is the real deal and so is the Panchen Lama he chose.

However, he might be saying that just to get into China's good book because he had been saying that he wants to go back to Tibet under China publicly on several occasions. Nevertheless, the common pattern of His Holiness actions nowadays are unpredictable and most of it does not make sense. However, I have faith in His Holiness that his intention is compassionate and whatever he does is to benefit sentient beings. May His Holiness live long.

[Harold Musetescu]

Hello Alex

The Dalai Lama maybe turning his back on both China and the two 11th Panchen Lamas.

The Chinese Government may have made demands upon the Dalai Lama if he wants to return to Tibet.

They are pro Dorje Shugden and may have demanded that he publicly lift his ban on Dorje Shugden.

They may also have demanded that he publicly renounce the practice of "Self immolation".

As you may know the Dalai Lama's followers are committing suicide by setting themselves on fire to protest the Chinese Gov't.

They could have also demanded the the Dalai Lama publicly accept China and only China as the legal rulers of Tibet.

The Dalai Lama may think these demands are to much and has given up any though of returning to Tibet.

So now he may have turned his thoughts to his future as the 15th Dalai Lama.

He must have a Panchen Lama in his future but his chosen 11th Panchen Lama has disappeared and can not help him.

The Chinese 11th Panchen Lama is not under the Dalai Lama's control and also can not help him.

But as I have predicted the Dalai Lama and the CTA could restore the 10th Panchen Otrul Rinpoche to the full title of "Panchen Lama".

The followers and subjects of the Dalai Lama would accept the 10th Panchen Otrul as their Panchen Lama if the Dalai Lama publicly recognizes him.

I wonder what the Kagyu, Sakya, Nyingma and Bon would say about the new Panchen Lama.

I believe they will be forced to accept him as they would be forced to accept the new 15th Dalai Lama.

When the 10th Panchen Otrul dies the Gelugpa and CTA will find, recognized and enthrone their choice.

The CTA's and 14th or 15th Dalai Lama will have their very own puppet 11th Panchen Lama.

[Harold Musetescu]

On July 27, 2018 H.E. Tsem Tulku had a youtube video done and it's title is,

"What the Dalai Lama’s recognition of the China-backed Panchen Lama really means"

It is about the 11th Panchen Lama and here is the link to that youtube video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UgSiAVxWI0

Please go to the 9:00 minute mark and view it through the 10:00 minute mark.

They discuss the two 10th Panchen Lamas and you can see a photography of the still living 10th Panchen Otrul Rinpoche.

Please remember that the 14th Dalai Lama and the CTA both consider the 10th Panchen Otrul Rinpoche to be a true reincarnation of the previous 9th Panchen Lama.

The 14th and the CTA could declare that the 10th Panchen Otrul Rinpoche is the only one they recognize as the true Panchen Lama.

He would be under the direct control of the 14th and his CTA and he is also publicly ANTI DORJE SHUGDEN.

[Harold Musetescu]

Here is a link to an article written on October 8, 2018 by His Eminence Tsem Tulku Rinpoche's.

It is titled "The Dalai Lama and the Panchen Lama 1956"

https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/great-lamas-masters/the-dalai-lama-panchen-lama-in-india-in-1956.html

I have taken this important part of the article and posted it here for you.

I shows the relationship between the 10th Panchen Lama and Dorje Shugden.

Both Dorje Shugden and Tsangpa Karpo are "Protectors" of the Panchen Lama Lineage.

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4-armed Chenrezig (central figure)

10th Panchen Lama Choekyi Gyaltsen (top left), Buddha Amitabha (top right), 6-armed Mahakala (bottom left), Tsangpa Karpo (bottom middle) and Dorje Shugden

The 10th Panchen Lama Choekyi Gyaltsen is widely regarded as the emanation of the Buddha Amitabha and for many lifetimes, the Panchen Lama line of incarnations have been the tutors of the Dalai Lama’s previous lives, who in turn are widely regarded as emanations of Chenrezig. Both Tsangpa Karpo and Dorje Shugden have been the protectors of the Panchen Lama for a number of incarnations. In fact, the 10th Panchen Lama himself composed special and extensive prayers to Dorje Shugden and this has been included within his collected written works. This shows that the Panchen Lama himself had the highest regard for Dorje Shugden as an enlightened protector and his powerful ability to assist sentient beings of this time."
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Thank you Tsem Tulku Rinpoche for this most wonderful article showing the closeness of the Panchen Lama Lineage with our Lord Dorje Shugden.

Please pray for the long life of His Eminence Tsem Tulku Rinpoche.

[aboutthetruth]

Maybe there are two Panchen Lamas. Maybe there are three Panchen Lamas. Whatever, the plural of Panchen Lama is known as Panchen Lamas, not "Panchen Lama's".

Nice to see there is still a respect for grammar

[thaimonk]

I just read the article and it is a beautiful article. So many wonderful pictures of the Panchen Lama and Dalai Lama together.

 

P. S. The Dalai Lama should be more like the Canadian PM who accepts all religions no matter who they are. This is a mark of a good leader. Dalai Lama does not accept Dorje Shugden people and this makes Dalai Lama look very bad. It makes him look prejudiced and biased. Too bad. Dalai Lama is always talking about tolerance and understanding. Where is the tolerance and understanding for Dorje Shugden practitioners? Karma for this double standard will return to Dalai Lama and his regime (CTA). They will have more and more problems and less respect from the world governments as it is happening now.

[aboutthetruth]

Is it rude or wrong of me to say this - the Dalai Lama should be more like what the Dalai Lama is supposed to be. Never mind Trudeau and all of that. The CTA sells the Dalai Lama as the Buddha of Compassion. But it seems his compassion only extends to SOME people who fit into the CTA’s criteria of what’s acceptable or not?

I’m not sure about the rest of you but I’ve found recent events to be extremely disappointing and not aligned with who the Dalai Lama is supposed to be. It’s hard to ignore the fact he’s let women be abused for 25 years, knowing it was going on but saying nothing.

I think it’s much easier being someone like the Panchen Otrul in this case, in that he’s a religious leader so he’s not called upon to make judgements or pass statements that have political bearing. It seems to me like it’s a less complicated and more straightforward existence.

[Big Uncle]

I think it is perfectly fine to have 3 or more Panchen Lamas. By right, someone of the spiritual statue of the Panchen Lama should have many incarnations emanating out to benefit sentient beings. So, we shouldn't limit their abilities and have narrow view that only 1 or another candidate is the right incarnation. We don't have the eye or the clairvoyance to perceive the true nature of beings.

[Alex]

I think it is perfectly fine to have 3 or more Panchen Lamas. By right, someone of the spiritual statue of the Panchen Lama should have many incarnations emanating out to benefit sentient beings. So, we shouldn't limit their abilities and have narrow view that only 1 or another candidate is the right incarnation. We don't have the eye or the clairvoyance to perceive the true nature of beings.

I agree with Big Uncle. Who are we to decide how enlightened beings should be? We obviously do not have the wisdom to understand their actions and the reason behind it. The Panchen Lama is believed to be the emanation of Amithaba Buddha. Enlightened Beings have no limitation and everything is possible at their level and this includes having several emanations.

Having 3 Panchen Lamas is not impossible. Only an enlightened being will be able to know whether a being is truly enlightened or not. Since we are not enlightened, there is no way that we can know who is the real and who is fake. All we can do is to make a smart guess by looking at their actions and the impact of their actions.

It is best for us to not say anything when we are not sure because criticising a holy being will result in alot of negative karma. We should just follow what our guru says and be firm. It will be stupid for us to accumulate alot of heavy negative karma just because we thought we know best.