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[Drolma]

There is a definitely a ban on Dorje Shugden practice, there are many proofs to it. Dorje Shugden practitioners are being discriminated badly. The only way to be treated like a normal Tibetans is to give up Dorje Shugden practice. If this is not a ban, what is it then? Only the CTA and the Dalai Lama think there is no ban.

Why is there no one has done anything to help DS practitioners? Very simple, there is no economic benefit in helping DS practitioners. Nobody wants to spend the time and effort to bring justice to the Dorje Shugden practitioners. In a way, it is kind of sad that sufferings of the animals are more than the sufferings Dorje Shugden practitioners have to go through.

If for the past 20 years, not a single activist group has offered help to the Dorje Shugden practitioners, I don't think there will be any in the future. Therefore, all Dorje Shugden practitioners should work together to give pressure to the CTA to lift the ban. There is no point to wait for a good Samaritan to suddenly appear to help.

I agree that ALL Dorje Shugden practitioners should bend together, to unite to work on lifting the ban. Great, powerful Dorje Shugden lama like H.H. Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche, H.H. Gaden Trisur Lungrik Namgyal, H.E. Gangchen Rinpoche, H.E. Gonsar Rinpoche, Lama Jampa Ngodup Rinpoche and Zava Damdin Rinpoche should get together and form a coalition of powerful Shugden Lamas to pressure CTA to remove the band.

I am sure with these big Lamas joining forces, backed up by powerful sponsors, there is a high chance. What would even be better, since CTA is still irking China with that stupid sleazy Sangay flying here and there in small European countries, bad mouthing China, if China were to join in to back these Shugden Lamas, then they really have to shut their gap and bend? Especially since His Holiness has made it clear he want to return to Tibet.  And so since these anti-Shugden cronies always call us Chinese spies and all that jazz, it wouldn't matter anymore cos hey look who wants to return to China? Why don't they call Dalai Lama a Chinese dxx/spy?

There are many famous and powerful Dorje Shugden lamas around the world, but they have been very quiet about the ban. The only lama who is very vocal and really educates the public about the ban and Dorje Shugden is Tsem Rinpoche. He alone has done so much to create awareness of the ban on his personal blog site for the past 2 or 3 years.

Maybe these lamas don't want to have a dialogue with the CTA because they are worried about their lives. Trijang Rinpoche has personal bodyguards protecting him when he goes out. It must mean the CTA is capable of plotting to assassinate the lamas. Imagine if this group of high lamas travels to meet the CTA or the Dalai Lama and they are murdered?  This is just too risky. The Tibetan leadership is well known of murdering people if you read their history.

I think instead of having a dialogue with the CTA, these lamas should make a closer connection with China. Then they can go back to China to spread the teachings to millions of people. When they become very powerful in China, the CTA will have to come to them for help to reconcile with China.

[SabS]

There is a definitely a ban on Dorje Shugden practice, there are many proofs to it. Dorje Shugden practitioners are being discriminated badly. The only way to be treated like a normal Tibetans is to give up Dorje Shugden practice. If this is not a ban, what is it then? Only the CTA and the Dalai Lama think there is no ban.

Why is there no one has done anything to help DS practitioners? Very simple, there is no economic benefit in helping DS practitioners. Nobody wants to spend the time and effort to bring justice to the Dorje Shugden practitioners. In a way, it is kind of sad that sufferings of the animals are more than the sufferings Dorje Shugden practitioners have to go through.

If for the past 20 years, not a single activist group has offered help to the Dorje Shugden practitioners, I don't think there will be any in the future. Therefore, all Dorje Shugden practitioners should work together to give pressure to the CTA to lift the ban. There is no point to wait for a good Samaritan to suddenly appear to help.

I agree that ALL Dorje Shugden practitioners should bend together, to unite to work on lifting the ban. Great, powerful Dorje Shugden lama like H.H. Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche, H.H. Gaden Trisur Lungrik Namgyal, H.E. Gangchen Rinpoche, H.E. Gonsar Rinpoche, Lama Jampa Ngodup Rinpoche and Zava Damdin Rinpoche should get together and form a coalition of powerful Shugden Lamas to pressure CTA to remove the band.

I am sure with these big Lamas joining forces, backed up by powerful sponsors, there is a high chance. What would even be better, since CTA is still irking China with that stupid sleazy Sangay flying here and there in small European countries, bad mouthing China, if China were to join in to back these Shugden Lamas, then they really have to shut their gap and bend? Especially since His Holiness has made it clear he want to return to Tibet.  And so since these anti-Shugden cronies always call us Chinese spies and all that jazz, it wouldn't matter anymore cos hey look who wants to return to China? Why don't they call Dalai Lama a Chinese dxx/spy?

There are many famous and powerful Dorje Shugden lamas around the world, but they have been very quiet about the ban. The only lama who is very vocal and really educates the public about the ban and Dorje Shugden is Tsem Rinpoche. He alone has done so much to create awareness of the ban on his personal blog site for the past 2 or 3 years.

Maybe these lamas don't want to have a dialogue with the CTA because they are worried about their lives. Trijang Rinpoche has personal bodyguards protecting him when he goes out. It must mean the CTA is capable of plotting to assassinate the lamas. Imagine if this group of high lamas travels to meet the CTA or the Dalai Lama and they are murdered?  This is just too risky. The Tibetan leadership is well known of murdering people if you read their history.

I think instead of having a dialogue with the CTA, these lamas should make a closer connection with China. Then they can go back to China to spread the teachings to millions of people. When they become very powerful in China, the CTA will have to come to them for help to reconcile with China.

Yes, it seems only this Tsem Rinpoche is the only one vocally dispelling the allegations from CTA of Dorje Shugden practice with easy to understand logic. NKT used to hold demonstrations wherever the Dalai Lama had public events but not anymore. I could understand the safety issue but there are so many ways to work towards lifting of the ban. These are very high Lamas and surely they must know other means of helping?

Dialogue with CTA? No point. They have no basis to lift the ban nor will they as the ban works in their favour. The dialogue should really be with the Dalai Lama who was the initial instigator of this ban with his pronouncement that Dorje Shugden is a demon spirit and bad for practitioners. To me only the Dalai Lama can lift the ban once and for all. The petition should be sent to the Dalai Lama and be made very public so that the issue will not be evaded. Just as the victims of Sogyal sexual molestations, the Dalai Lama was forced to meet them due the publicity given.

There are so many people in China that needs the Dharma after such a long time of depravation. I think many thirst for it, so it would be kind for the DS Lamas to spread their pure lineage teachings and practices into China. With the Dalai Lama wishing to go back to Tibet China, these DS Lama will have a trump card to assist him in fulfilling his wish. It is time for unification of the DS Lama to push for lifting of the Dorje Shugden ban.

[Alex]

There is a definitely a ban on Dorje Shugden practice, there are many proofs to it. Dorje Shugden practitioners are being discriminated badly. The only way to be treated like a normal Tibetans is to give up Dorje Shugden practice. If this is not a ban, what is it then? Only the CTA and the Dalai Lama think there is no ban.

Why is there no one has done anything to help DS practitioners? Very simple, there is no economic benefit in helping DS practitioners. Nobody wants to spend the time and effort to bring justice to the Dorje Shugden practitioners. In a way, it is kind of sad that sufferings of the animals are more than the sufferings Dorje Shugden practitioners have to go through.

If for the past 20 years, not a single activist group has offered help to the Dorje Shugden practitioners, I don't think there will be any in the future. Therefore, all Dorje Shugden practitioners should work together to give pressure to the CTA to lift the ban. There is no point to wait for a good Samaritan to suddenly appear to help.

I agree that ALL Dorje Shugden practitioners should bend together, to unite to work on lifting the ban. Great, powerful Dorje Shugden lama like H.H. Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche, H.H. Gaden Trisur Lungrik Namgyal, H.E. Gangchen Rinpoche, H.E. Gonsar Rinpoche, Lama Jampa Ngodup Rinpoche and Zava Damdin Rinpoche should get together and form a coalition of powerful Shugden Lamas to pressure CTA to remove the band.

I am sure with these big Lamas joining forces, backed up by powerful sponsors, there is a high chance. What would even be better, since CTA is still irking China with that stupid sleazy Sangay flying here and there in small European countries, bad mouthing China, if China were to join in to back these Shugden Lamas, then they really have to shut their gap and bend? Especially since His Holiness has made it clear he want to return to Tibet.  And so since these anti-Shugden cronies always call us Chinese spies and all that jazz, it wouldn't matter anymore cos hey look who wants to return to China? Why don't they call Dalai Lama a Chinese dxx/spy?

There are many famous and powerful Dorje Shugden lamas around the world, but they have been very quiet about the ban. The only lama who is very vocal and really educates the public about the ban and Dorje Shugden is Tsem Rinpoche. He alone has done so much to create awareness of the ban on his personal blog site for the past 2 or 3 years.

Maybe these lamas don't want to have a dialogue with the CTA because they are worried about their lives. Trijang Rinpoche has personal bodyguards protecting him when he goes out. It must mean the CTA is capable of plotting to assassinate the lamas. Imagine if this group of high lamas travels to meet the CTA or the Dalai Lama and they are murdered?  This is just too risky. The Tibetan leadership is well known of murdering people if you read their history.

I think instead of having a dialogue with the CTA, these lamas should make a closer connection with China. Then they can go back to China to spread the teachings to millions of people. When they become very powerful in China, the CTA will have to come to them for help to reconcile with China.

There are tons of Dorje Shugden lama out there but most of them stayed quiet or pretend that they do not practice Dorje Shugden. Some of the lamas chose to stay quiet because they are afraid of the rejection and discrimination from their own community. Some of the lamas are working for the Tibetans government. Some of the lamas are holding a powerful position in the monastic community and it will create more trouble if they reveal themselves as Dorje Shugden practitioners. Some of them just want to do their practice secretly without anyone troubling them.

Most lamas are afraid of exposing themselves as Dorje Shugden practitioners because anyone that does not follow Dalai Lama's way will be labeled as anti-Dalai Lama and they will face severe discrimination and even harassment. Sometimes, the harassment might be life-threatening.

Yes, the only Dorje Shugden lama that is outspoken and defending the Dorje Shugden practice is only Tsem Rinpoche. His work is truly amazing because the information on Dorje Shugden's lineage is so clear and it is very hard to find such complete information elsewhere online. It is quite sad to see only him alone that is doing all the defending work. Famous lamas like Trijang Rinpoche is not exactly outspoken on Dorje Shugden practice but he is openly doing it. We need more Lams like Tsem Rinpoche so that CTA will know Dorje Shugden people are not afraid of them.

[dsnowlion]

There are many famous and powerful Dorje Shugden lamas around the world, but they have been very quiet about the ban. The only lama who is very vocal and really educates the public about the ban and Dorje Shugden is Tsem Rinpoche. He alone has done so much to create awareness of the ban on his personal blog site for the past 2 or 3 years.

Maybe these lamas don't want to have a dialogue with the CTA because they are worried about their lives. Trijang Rinpoche has personal bodyguards protecting him when he goes out. It must mean the CTA is capable of plotting to assassinate the lamas. Imagine if this group of high lamas travels to meet the CTA or the Dalai Lama and they are murdered?  This is just too risky. The Tibetan leadership is well known of murdering people if you read their history.

I think instead of having a dialogue with the CTA, these lamas should make a closer connection with China. Then they can go back to China to spread the teachings to millions of people. When they become very powerful in China, the CTA will have to come to them for help to reconcile with China.

Yes indeed it is true what you say that only Tsem Rinpoche seems to be the vocal one these days. And why has Geshe Kelsang stopped? His voice was just as powerful. It would great if these two Lamas join forces and together with other erudite high lamas like H.H. Trijang Rinpoche, Gangchen Rinpoche, Gonsar Rinpoche etc. I am sure we will have strong enough voice to have a proper dialogue with H.H. the Dalai Lama but that is not going to happen because it seems everyone is busy doing their own thing and that basically makes it all the more difficult to spread the lineage teachings.

And I like your idea of how these Lamas should make friends and create a good relationship with China! Well, since CTA is always accusing us as being paid by China, well so be it. We wish we were so we can make Dharma grow LOL, and what is so wrong with that? Dalai Lama has Chinese students and I am sure they donate to him and his many projects so why don't they say he taking Chinese money too?!   

[Tracy]

The Dorje Shugden ban has brought a lot of sufferings to Dorje Shugden followers. But it has also benefited many. Just look at what is happening in China now. Many lamas who are close to the Chinese government are actually Dorje Shugden followers.

Because of the ban, the Chinese government knows that the Dorje Shugden lamas does not have any contact with the Dalai Lama or the CTA. The Dorje Shugden lamas are sincere practitioners who just want to spread Dharma. The Chinese government see this that's why they are giving Dorje Shugden lamas a lot of support to help them spread Dharma. For example Lama Wangchuk, the 11th Panchen Lama, Denma Gonsa Rinpoche, etc.

The disconnection with the Dalai Lama became an advantage to the Dorje Shugden practitioners. Not only the Chinese government give the Dorje Shugden lama full support to spread Dharma, they also allocate fund to help to rebuild their monasteries. The Dharma work of the Dorje Shugden lamas in China is growing and flourishing.

[Alex]

Who would have thought that the man who won Nobel Peace prize had initiated a ruthless ban on Dorje Shugden religion? On top of that, that is in his own religion and he is splitting his whole community apart. There is no problem prior to the ban, everyone is united, peaceful and respectful of each other. Everyone openly practices Dorje Shugden and there is not one single problem.

Since the ban has been implemented, there is so much chaos and suffering. Wherever there is Dorje Shugden practitioner, there will be discrimination and suffering. Monks are being expelled from monasteries. People are being barred from using the hospitals. Children are being barred from schools. How is the ban benefitting the people? It has done more harm than good.

I pray that His Holiness the Dalai Lama will lift the ban as soon as possible. Restore the Tibetan Buddhist scene into a loving and happy one. People are being segregated and forced to form their own community for survival. This is not how things are. Buddhism suppose to be good, peaceful and uniting. They are not supposed to be used to segregate and penalise people.