Why does Lama Zopa and FPMT still keep statues of Lama Yeshe on their shrines?

[Geraldine Sarie]

If Dorje Shugden is a demon or spirit, how come there were many incarnations of high lamas? Since he was a spirits, strong wraftful pujas can perform to subdue him. Why not any monasteries are doing so? The Dalai Lama said practicing Dorje Shugden will get rebirth in three lower realms. Surprisingly, how come those got rebirth and came back as human? Aren’t they are supposed to be rebirth as animals, ghosts, spirit or in hell according to the three lower realms categories. Is this logical?
I think FPMT is corrupted like CTA therefore create commotion on other organization to gain fame and power. This is truly sad, FPMT has break samaya with their Guru, Lama Yeshe who was faithfully devoted to Dorje Shugden. 

[samayakeeper]

What Thaimonk opines here is logical and relevant.

FPMT act as if they are the police of the Dalai Lama to crack down on people and dharma institutions who want to stick to their Dorje Shugden practice. Since they are so gung-ho about this then they should look at within themselves and their own dharma centers.

I do not think Dorje Shugden is wrong in recognising Lama Osel. I think the Dalai Lama is wrong about everything he said about Dorje Shugden. Thus said, whoever Dorje Shugden recognises is real, including Lama Zopa.

I am not concerned what others including the Dalai Lama say negatively about Dorje Shugden because humans always condemn one other. Why condemn others on their religion, skin color, gender? What is important is love, happiness, compassion, kindness, harmony, patience, and all good qualities should prevail. Live and let live.

[bambi]

Absolutely good points & answers from thaimonk!Its always contradicting when it comes to Dorje Shugden and high Lamas who practice Him reincarnate.Dalai Lama & CTA always say that those who practice Dorje Shugden will go to hell then how come so many Lamas reincarnate & recognized again?It is confusing & ridiculous.On one hand Dalai Lama condemn Dorje Shugden & practitioners. On the other hand Dalai Lama recognized Lamas who practice Dorje Shugden in previous lives & reincarnate.What does Dalai Lama trying to show the world.This is one reason why I absolutely do not believe Dorje Shugden ban is logical.Very unfair for those who believe & practice.Then what about lineage.I receive my practice from my precious Lama.And he receive from his precious Lama Trijang Rinpoche also practice Dorje Shugden and recognized.Same as Dalai Lama also receive from Trijang Rinpoche so if Dalai Lama day is wrong then where do we get blessings & attainments.Then why we bother practicing Buddhism if we can’t get blessing & attainment.Still does not make sense for me.More people must read understand so many wrong information from Dalai Lama & Cta.All false information.Very misleading.

http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/what-happens-to-dorje-shugden-lamas/

[Brian Little]

Opinions on the whole Shugden issue has always been contradicting isn't it? With this latest issue, i hope it is creating more doubts among those haters of Dorje Shugden and make them realise the reasoning behind demonizing Dorje Shugden has always been contradicting. Time to really think and analyse all the claims against Dorje Shugden and revive this sacred practice in Tibetan Buddhism.

[kikyoenrique]

The statement that mentioned, practicing Dorje Shugden will be borne in Hell is absolutely false.
There are so many evidences that have shown, the previous highly attained Lamas has reincarnated and they were recognized by His Holiness 14th Dalai Lama as follows:-
 
a)6th Yongzin Ling Rinpoche aka Hi Holiness Kyabje Ling Rinpoche (Previous),  The 7th Kyabje Yongzin Ling Choktrul Rinpoche (Current)
b)His Holiness Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche (Previous), Kyabje Trijang Chocktrul Rinpoche (Current)
c)His Holiness Kyabje Zong Rinpoche (Previous), 4th Zong Rinpoche Tenzin Wangdak (Current)

There are more in the photos

[Belinda Mae]

Good questions raised by thaimonk. Why follow what other people say blindly? We should check it out for ourselves who and what is right or wrong. No one should make the decisions for us what we should or should not practice.

[kikyoenrique]

Look at the photo HH Kyabje Zong Rinpoche and Lama Yeshe. Such a happy moment and they are close to each other.  They are Dorje Shugden practitioner. 
However, with the ban of Dorje Shugden practice, all these has created disharmony, segregation, suffering of physically and mentally.

Dorje Shugden is definitely not harming and it has been practiced by His Holiness 14 Dalai Lama (HHDL) teachers ie HH Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche, HH Kyabje Zong Rinpoche and etc So what harming does it cause?

[Harold Musetescu]

Could Lama Zopa be doing all this to keep Lama Yeshe and his Dorje Shugden practice alive in a "Secret Manner".

On one hand condemning Dorje Shugden while on the other hand creating statues of Lama Yeshe a great public teacher of Dorje Shugden.

There may to more to all this than meets the eye.

Just a possible theory.

[Alex]

Look at the photo HH Kyabje Zong Rinpoche and Lama Yeshe. Such a happy moment and they are close to each other.  They are Dorje Shugden practitioner. 
However, with the ban of Dorje Shugden practice, all these has created disharmony, segregation, suffering of physically and mentally.

Dorje Shugden is definitely not harming and it has been practiced by His Holiness 14 Dalai Lama (HHDL) teachers ie HH Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche, HH Kyabje Zong Rinpoche and etc So what harming does it cause?

Before the Dorje Shugden ban, there is no problem in the Buddhist community. All lamas get along and all monasteries get along. Since the ban has been implemented by Dalai Lama, the Buddhist community has been reluctantly divided into 2. There is so much of disharmony and discrimination between the 2. All of this can be avoid if only the public would investigate a little further into the ban and they will find the ban is illogical and makes no sense.

Because of the ban, FPMT being one of the biggest Buddhist group in the west have to decide between His Holiness the Dalai Lama and their Guru, Lama Yeshe. Sadly, they chose to abandon the practice and hence abandoning their Guru, Lama Yeshe. The lineage is broken, the blessing is gone. Now they are trying to fool themselves by making statues of Lama Yeshe and pretend that they never chose to be politically correct over their Guru. However, what's done is done. Lama Osel who is the reincarnation of Lama Yeshe is now choosing secular life instead of a spiritual life is a big indication that FPMT does not have the merits for the current incarnation of their Guru to pick up his work and continue where he had left off in his past life.

All of this just to be politically correct. Is it worth it to lose a Guru's blessing? A lineage is gone because of this. Whatever activities that they do now at their centre will not produce any results and attainments will not arise from it. FPMT should wake up and amend their mistakes to mend their samaya before Lama Osel manifest further signs of leaving.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19702122

[Harold Musetescu]

Has Lama Osel publicly condemned Dorje Shugden or Lama Yeshe's practice of Dorje Shugden??

[RichardTam]

If practicing Dorje Shugden is wrong, then the whole lineage of Gelug is wrong. If Dorje Shugden is evil spirit, then the whole lineage is practicing evil spirit, including Dalai Lama. Nowadays Dalai Lama suddenly come out a statement that he doesn't need to responsible at. For example, he said Buddha was not born in Nepal. He thinks people said that Buddha was born in Nepal was nonsense. Dalai Lama said there's no discrimination and chaos about anti Dorje Shugden supporter, he thinks that was rumours. It seems, he simply say something out of what he thinks is right. As an emanation of Chenrezig, I'm sure that he knows the consequences of saying such things, for example saying that Dorje Shugden is evil spirit. I'm sure he knows how great is the impact to Dorje Shugden practitioners, especially to Gelug lineage. How people look at Tibetan Buddhism now? Yet, he said it out. Nobody knows why, but people around him, blindly follow, deafly listen to what he said, and created all these discrimination and segregation. As an emanation of Chenrezig, I'm sure he doesn't have any karma by saying so, but people around him who blindly follow, for sure will get very heavy bad karma. Yet, people think that whatever Dalai Lama said is correct. Because he is the "king" of Tibetan Buddhism. They thought so. But, I think Dalai Lama is wrong. If one Guru was wrong about practicing Dorje Shugden, it couldn't be all the Guru also wrong. If practicing Dorje Shugden is wrong, then what does Gelug still exist? If Gelug doesn't exist anymnore because of practicing Dorje Shugden, then I think should Dalai Lama exist also.

[Harold Musetescu]

Has Lama Osel publicly condemned Dorje Shugden or Lama Yeshe's practice of Dorje Shugden??

If Lama Osel has not condemned either Dorje Shugden or Lama Yeshe why not??

You would think he would.

[Harold Musetescu]

Could Lama Zopa be doing all this to keep Lama Yeshe and his Dorje Shugden practice alive in a "Secret Manner".

On one hand condemning Dorje Shugden while on the other hand creating statues of Lama Yeshe a great public teacher of Dorje Shugden.

There may to more to all this than meets the eye.

Just a possible theory.

Has Lama Osel publicly condemned Dorje Shugden or Lama Yeshe's practice of Dorje Shugden??

If Lama Osel has not condemned either Dorje Shugden or Lama Yeshe why not??

You would think he would.

Has Lama Zopa ever stated publicly that Lama Osel condemns both Dorje Shugden and Lama Yeshe for practicing Dorje Shugden?

If not why not?

It would only make sense that he would have Lama Osel condemn them both.

[DharmaSpace]

It does not make any good sense for FPMT to keep statues of their founder, and they do not agree with what he practices or what their founder represented, a good solid practitioner of Dorje Shugden, faultless and loyal towards Dorje Shugden.

There are also pictures of Lama Zopa doing practices towards Trijang Rinpoche's stupa, of course Trijang Rinpoche is compassionate and forgives all who break samaya with him and Dorje Shugden. But why on one hand ban Dorje Shugden and on the other hand do puja at Trijang Rinpoche stupa who was a great Dorje Shugden lama who proliferated the teaching to thousands. isn't that somewhat hypocritical?

[Harold Musetescu]

Could Lama Zopa be doing all this to keep Lama Yeshe and his Dorje Shugden practice alive in a "Secret Manner".

On one hand condemning Dorje Shugden while on the other hand creating statues of Lama Yeshe a great public teacher of Dorje Shugden.

There may to more to all this than meets the eye.

Just a possible theory.

Has Lama Osel publicly condemned Dorje Shugden or Lama Yeshe's practice of Dorje Shugden??

If Lama Osel has not condemned either Dorje Shugden or Lama Yeshe why not??

You would think he would.

Has Lama Zopa ever stated publicly that Lama Osel condemns both Dorje Shugden and Lama Yeshe for practicing Dorje Shugden?

If not why not?

It would only make sense that he would have Lama Osel condemn them both.

Here is a link to an article on this forum about Lama Zopa giving money to the CTA.

http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=6198.0

Could Lama Zopa be paying the CTA "Blackmail" money to stop the CTA from demanding that Lama Osel publicly condemn Lama Yeshe for his Dorje Shugden practice?

Is this why the FPMT is allowed to have statues of Lama Yeshe???

Just a theory.