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H.E. Denma Locho Rinpoche Found out!!!
« on: January 13, 2008, 12:49:38 AM »
Denma Locho Rinpoche is a direct disciple of Kyabje Ling Rinpoche and Trijang Rinpoche. He is from Denma Khangtsen of Drepung Loseling Monastery. He is highly esteemed for his learning and being one of the last great Gelugpa Masters from Tibet. He has many lineages, transmissions and empowerments. He was also personally chosen by the Dalai Lama to be the Abbot of Namgyal Monastery. He is now the retired abbot of Namgyal Monastery. He resides part time in Dharamsala and part time in Drepung, South India. He has been sent down to Drepung by HH personally to give many precious rare empowerments and teachings in Drepung Loseling Prayer Hall in the past. All Drepung Loseling monks are his disciples.

Rinpoche had travelled to Taiwan at the request of Serkong Tritul Rinpoche to give teachings and empowerments last year 2007. It is said that Serkong Tritul offered Indian Rupees 20 million to Rinpoche. Denma Locho Rinpoche in turned offered the amount to the building of Drepung Loseling's new prayer hall as they were short on money. The Drepung Loseling Admin accepted the money, then later questioned how did Denma Locho get so much. Letters are posted all over Drepung now during the visit of HH, questioning and accusing that the money came from Serkong Tritul. The amazing part is that Drepung monks accuse Denma Locho Rinpoche (their own guru), of this, and ask him to speak up, but they dont refund the money in question!!!!  Denma Locho Rinpoche has chosen to  remain silent on this subject.

It has been recently observed that HH during teachings at Drepung do not acknowledge this great teacher anymore neither with a smile or  traditional touching of foreheads. Also Rinpoche is left at the teaching hall to sit where he likes with no special seating for him as in the past.  No seat of honour is accorded to him being the ex-abbot of Namgyal Monastery any more whether at teachings of HH in Dharamsala or Drepung. He is 'offically' sidelined and will be further question by Drepung Administration Monks and of course reported to HH after the visit of HH departure on the 16th.

Denma Locho Rinpoche like his root guru Kyabje Ling Rinpoche does not practice Dorje Shugden but is not adverse to it either. He has never spoken against Dorje Shugden. He is a real lama where he engages in Dharma and Dharma only. But even having any connections with Dorje Shugden devotees can endanger your reputation no matter who you are, how old you are, how you have served HH in the past and even if you are the guru of so many monks. In the end politics, and looking politically correct seem more important than guru-disciple bonds. 

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Re: H.E. Denma Locho Rinpoche Found out!!!
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2008, 09:42:18 AM »
Dear ONe, I have red your article about H.E.Denma Loche Rimpoche, with a lot of interest. I know the Ven. Lama, got initiations from him in Dharamsala, long time ago. But still I have a good feeling about him. Also Kundeling Rimpoche, see my website sumatiarya.nl page kundeling r. ,  write very possitive about him. He said, like you, he is a real dharma practitioner not being involved in the Dala Lama's politics. May be you should read the article: " Chronological Events on Dorje Shugden."

Sumati Arya.

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Re: H.E. Denma Locho Rinpoche Found out!!!
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2008, 01:26:20 AM »
Dear Frends of DS
This was sent to me today, via a E-mail.
It is an old message but never the less you on the forum might like to read this.             


December 20th : The Venerable Kyabje Denma Locho Rinpoche is a highly acclaimed Gelugpa Lama, spiritual Master to countless Gelugpa disciples. As early as 1962, he had been diligently serving the cause of the preservation of Tibet’s heritage and the dissemination of the Gelugpa tradition in particular. A Lineage Holder of many rare practices and transmissions, he had been working according to the express wishes of the 14th Dalai Lama. A humble practitioner, always opting to live in solitude, his unblemished character and apolitical orientation are well-known to all. Since the times of prelude to the ban on Shugden, the sagely Lama – as always in the past – observed a passive neutrality, having never been associated himself with Dorje Shugden or his practice. Rejecting the abusive ravings of many well-known Gelugpas, he distanced himself from the widespread ‘Shugden bashing’ and subservience to the Dalai Lama.

Notwithstanding this, for his visits to his hometown Denma in Tibet, he was said to have been given the assignment by the Dalai Lama, to speak about the ills of Shugden practice. It is unclear whether the Lama was browbeaten into accepting the mission or whether he wished to carry out faithfully the task that had been given to him. What is clear, is that even after repeated visits to his hometown and to other areas in the T.A.R., he was not successful in his mission. Rather, he met with highly respected Gelugpa figures and, some say, Denma Gonsar Choje Rinpoche (d.2005) himself. What is obvious is that he graciously demonstrated respect for the practice of Dorje Shugden – as he would do also towards the Dalai Lama.
                       
As a true Lama would not discriminate but will offer spiritual instruction ‘even to a dog’ (as the great 12th century Tibetan translator, Marpa, would say) he finally began to accept invitations from Shugden followers, to teach in their Centres. He visited the Dharma Centres of Serkong Tritul Rinpoche and granted many transmissions there. While paying a visit to Kopan Monastery in Nepal, to offer discourses, he is believed to have sent his attendant to Dagom Rinpoche, offering a petition to him to ‘Live Long’.

All these deeds of the Lama - profoundly in tune with a spiritual conduct which contributes to harmony, acknowledges the established practices of the Great Lineage Masters and the spiritual contributions of others – seem to have earned him the wrath of the Dalai Lama. A vicious open-letter campaign has been launched against him in Depung, accusing him of being a traitor, a person with double standards and lacking conscience, for having ‘sold his soul to the Devil’!

The posters proclaim : …..‘Having chalked out various plans with Serkong Tritul of Taiwan, without thinking of the immediate or future consequences of resultant happiness or sorrow (i.e. the fruits of virtuous or negative deeds) he (Denma Locho Rinpoche) has connived a scheme wherein he would, within ten years, derive a sum of 20 million dollars (from Tritul Rinpoche)………He has given 1 crore in Indian currency to his residence (Lobsang Chokyi Gatshal, tib.), the Denma Khangtsen in Depung and for the preservation of Dholgyal practices of Denma Gonsar (Rinpoche) in Tibet. To Namkha Rinpoche and the Bumchen Monastery he has offered 300,000 yuan Chinese currency. The Religious and Cultural Affairs Office and the Department of Security (for the Dalai Lama) should rigorously investigate these matters, for the happiness of Tibetan subjects and the well-being of His Holiness’!

The posters continue their tirade with ‘…in case you are not endowed with indestructible faith in His Holiness, then you should know that it is now almost a year that Denma Locho Rinpoche has been deprived of an audience with His Presence (Kun.dun,tib.) the Dalai Lama. If you enquire from the Private Office (of the Dalai Lama) you can familiarise yourself with this matter. Their phone number is…….’. In conclusion, it gloats ‘By virtue of the resulting seeds of the criminal acts of great deception originating from the evil doings of  Kel.gya of Sera Je (Geshe Kelsang Gyatso), Dagom of Drepung Gomang and Serkong Tritul of Ganden Jangtse, it is time to contemplate well as to whether all Lamas (Tulkus), monastics and others have preserved their commitments purely or not’.   

Again it looks  like being  'back in the Middleages'. I wonder do they have any idea about what they are saying? Talking about slander, and one the set of rules incorporated in the vinaya about telling the truth.
How can they judge others if they have to incriminate such methods as being described above, which remind me of the early communist propaganda and liturature about the imperialists of the west! Perhaps time we need to realize that China is changing and as a close friend suggested, the Tibetans have never left the old tibetan system. Which does not fit any more. Despite all the horrors and the treuma caused by the occupation, they have held on to the culture and live as a tibetan community in the colonies in India, and Dharamsala. But so many years later, India is on the map of the space age and China is very much so.
And most of Europe have forgiven the Nazi occupation and are working together with Germany. I have had many German freinds and the war wasn't a issue anymore, gone in the past.
I remember hearing many times from the 'old generation' that they them selves never wanted the war Hitler was getting them into.

Again it only a small goup in comparison tho the whole, setting the policy dragging every one into their wake, creating more schisms and suffering. Its all done before, whay cant the learn from History
Lama thubwang




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Re: H.E. Denma Locho Rinpoche Found out!!!
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2010, 01:59:39 PM »


Recently Dalai Lama wanted to speak publicly about his displeasure in Denma Locho Rinpoche going to Serkong Tritul's Centre in Taiwan.

The new Gaden Tripa Rizong Rinpoche of Loseling had audience with Dalai Lama a few times and literally begged the Dalai Lama not to disparage Denma Locho Rinpoche. Rizong Rinpoche being an ex-abbot of Loseling and now the current Gaden Tripa is held in high esteem for never meddling in politics and running Loseling very well during his term in office as abbot. He has never publicly spoken against Dorje Shugden as he is from Ladakh which is another stronghold of Dorje Shugden practice in the past.

Finally after talking, persuading and begging Dalai Lama to not speak publicly against Denma Locho Rinpoche, Dalai Lama finally agreed.  I recieved this news yesterday.

I would like to point out the irony as mountains also mentioned is that, they criticizce Denma Locho Rinpoche but Loseling DOES NOT REFUND THE 'DIRTY' MONEY THEY HAVE RECIEVED. THAT IS VERY STRANGE. WHY CRITICIZE THE LAMA BUT KEEP THE MONEY??!
Loseling should return the money to Serkong Tritul Rinpoche.

That is one very bad policy of the monasteries, to keep the cash and punish the cow (no disrespect to Denma Locho Rinpoche).


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Re: H.E. Denma Locho Rinpoche Found out!!!
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2010, 02:41:12 PM »
H.E. Denma Locho Rinpoche has the same Gurus and has served as Abbot in H.H. Namgyal Monastery. He has always been a great supporter of H.H. works and is one of the last of the senior lamas who came from Tibet. Its a pity that such a venerated and attained master is reduced to this situation just because the origin of the donations to loseling is suspect. If people were truly concerned about purity, why not return the money too? Don't defame and point fingers at one of your own while the other hand is holding on to the money.

It makes a very bad image for the Tibetan Govt and Tibetan politics overall.

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« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2010, 02:51:51 PM »
It is hard for the Tibetan govt to look good. They have too many inconsistencies created by themselves.

Why is it that Tibet was lost? Why is it that Tibet still cannot be regained? Must be the Tibetan govt's work methods, ethics and self crucifying tactics has to be blamed.

Release Shugden and they will release themselves.

Only Dorje Shugden can free tibet. Only Dorje Shugden can help them. They have tried everything else and to their embarrassment, nothing has manifested. It is time for Dorje Shugden.

They must consult and connect with Dorje Shugden whose time has come.

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« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2010, 03:49:58 PM »
Open your eyes TGIE
Retired Throne Holder you "put" in office,
now the Gaden Trisul has jumped over the fence.

The young, incarnated Trijang Rinpoche
has jumped over the fence.

Open your eyes TGIE,
There will be more jumping over the fence
as the grass is truly greener on the other side.

TGIE, with King Dorje Shugden
on his magnificent Snowlion leading the way
we all only have a common war
to liberate all from sufferings.

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« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2010, 01:24:13 PM »
This is very true, the TGIE garners support by claiming Shugden is a Chinese god, but not realizing that the only successful resistance against the Chinese in the 1950's and 60's was initiated directly by Shugden, this is found in many sources including an interview with the resistance fighter's leader (proof forthcoming).  Now that China has changed it policy even the USA does not oppose China anymore military, likewise Shugden is also diplomaticly smart and works within the modern policies to rebuild Dharma in Tibet and worldwide.  It is the TGIE that only fights for its own survival, blind to worldwide diplomacy and actual welfare of the Tibetan people.

I agree. TGIE is using Dorje Shugden as a convenient excuse for its failure to regain independence.  What TGIE should think about is how come Tibet was lost in the first place? That would give them a clearer insight on what the real problem is.

Just look at the timeline:
1950's - Dalai Lama composes Melody of the Unceasing Vajra: A Propitiation of Mighty Gyalchen Dorje Shugden, Protector of Conqueror Manjushri Tsongkhapa's Teachings
1959 - The fall of tibet
1978 - First public mention of the ban
1996 - More public pronoucements re Shugden ban

Also bear in mind that leading up to the events of 1959, Dalai Lama was supportive of the Chinese government, as mentioned in an interview by Alan Winnington, the first foreigner to interview the Dalai Lama.

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« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2010, 02:34:53 PM »
I just found a picture of Drepung Loseling online, it is very grand, HH Denma Locho Rinpoche spent so much effort and time to raise fund for it, he has only one wish, to make Dharma grow in Loseling and that the welfare of the monks are well taken care of.

Some monks who have taken the ordination vows, not only did not thank Denma Locho Rinpoche for what they are enjoying now (large prayer hall, stable food etc) but turned their back to him and criticize him and put him down, how ungrateful and it is really a shame to those who "hold" vinaya vows.

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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2010, 07:32:19 PM »
Drepung Loseling sure looks beautiful. It is sad to see disharmony within the monastery or any centres around the world.  Worse is when students betray and turn their backs on their Gurus. One of the "criteria" for Dorje Shugden to assist is the Guru Devotion ingredient! Where will we be without Guru Devotion?

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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2010, 11:06:09 AM »



The Dalai lama wanted very much to publicly denounce Denma Locho Rinpoche during the inauguration of Loseling Prayer Hall. He want to denounce that Denma Locho Rinpoche went to Serkong Tritul's Centre in Taiwan and received much monetary offerings. Serkong Tritul has never renounced Dorje Shugden and is in fact currently building a Dorje Shugden Monastery in Taiwan and Kathmandu. Both building picture progress in on this site's homepage.


The new Gaden Tripa Rizong Rinpoche went to have audience with Dalai lama numerous times to beg the Dalai lama from doing so. After many repeated requests, Dalai lama desisted.

The incredible issue is that Denma Locho Rinpoche offered the money to Loseling for their new building, but when criticized, they never RETURNED THE MONEY TO DENMA LOCHO RINPCHE TO SEND BACK TO SERKONG TRITUL RINPOCHE.
Why keep the money? If the money is from a Dorje Shugden practitioner, the Tibetan law is no association with them. Why don't you be honest all the way and return the money. The money was kept. Denma Locho Rinpoche had to suffer much criticism and near public denouncement.

The huge statues (beautiful) in Gaden Jangtse's new Prayer hall have all been sponsored by Serkong Tritul Rinpoche also. Although it is a well known fact, that money WAS NEVER RETURNED ALSO.

So what confuses me about the ban of Dorje Shugden along with no one is to associate with them, how come you can criticize/ostracize the lamas/practitioners BUT NOT THEIR MONETARY DONATIONS???

Why do you keep the money if you wish to be so 'clean' and free of Dorje Shugden's help???



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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2010, 11:46:15 AM »
See this video.

Tibetan Govt Representative in Mundgod inciting the lay ppl to attack the monks who practice Dorje Shugden:

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This video reminds you of what happened to the monks who protested in Burma in 2009. They were silenced by the Govt just like the Tibetan monks.
There is no freedom of democratic speech within the Tibetan Exiled communities throughout India and Nepal.
The Tibetan Govt will brand you a traitor or against the Dalai lama if you should disagree with any of their policies. They will block your yellow passport book barring you from leaving India to visit any other country.

« Last Edit: February 05, 2010, 11:55:30 AM by tk »

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Re: H.E. Denma Locho Rinpoche Found out!!!
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2010, 12:19:31 PM »
So what confuses me about the ban of Dorje Shugden along with no one is to associate with them, how come you can criticize/ostracize the lamas/practitioners BUT NOT THEIR MONETARY DONATIONS???

Why do you keep the money if you wish to be so 'clean' and free of Dorje Shugden's help???

I have laughed at this many times.  ;D It is very funny how the promise "to not sharing resources with DS-practitioners" seem to work to one direction only.

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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2010, 08:25:01 PM »
The Tibetan government is lobbying for support in the global arena but their actual operations are so undemocratic. How can you ostracise your own people just because of their faith and religion? And how can they ban Shugden practitioners from attending Dalai Lama's public talks while Satanists are allowed to attend? Illogical and contradictory. Which democratic leader would say something like that? Its like the Jews and WW2 starting again.

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« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2010, 03:51:52 PM »
This whole episode is rather sad. HE Denma Locho Rinpoche didn't even gain anything from the donation and has only been a perfect representation of the Dharma, yet he has to be side-lined. Fortunately, since he is a Dharma practitioner, I am sure he is not negatively affected by it all. His attitude and positive action despite the psychological persecution is inspirational.

And yes, if it's dirty money, it should be given back!
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