New Gaden Tripa

[Vajraprotector]

Just wondering if anybody knows, the Shugden monasteries and centres are now not associated with any monastery, so are they outside of "gelugpa"  sect and Gaden Tripa's control?

Are the monasteries/ centres communicating with each other and do they have central leaders or is it too early right now? Is there any platform for them to work together?

[kurava]

Dear Vajraprotector,
If TGIE doesn’t recognize monasteries/ centres that do not toe the line with DL, I would think these Shugden monasteries and centres are out side the official “Gelug” sect and Gaden Tripa’s control.

However, there is no way the TGIE can stop these centres from following Je Tsongkhapa/ Gelug lineage. In a way, these “unlawful” monasteries and centres have greater freedom now.

I would imagine the sangha of the different monasteries and centres have their own means of communication between themselves. Until the current incarnation of Tulku Dragpa Gyeltsen is recognized, I suppose there's no one strong enough to be the leader.

I pray that the time for TDG to come forth and take the helm be soon.

[DSFriend]

Just wondering if anybody knows, the Shugden monasteries and centres are now not associated with any monastery, so are they outside of "gelugpa"  sect and Gaden Tripa's control?

Are the monasteries/ centres communicating with each other and do they have central leaders or is it too early right now? Is there any platform for them to work together?

Looks like from this "separation" away from the main gelugpa lineage, it is only natural for a new lineage to be formed..seems like it is forming already with this many centres and monasteries of dorje shugden mushrooming up all over the world.

Dorje Shugden's practice will spread far and wide...depicted by the 10 Youthful and Wrathful assistants, all represented from 10 different parts of the world.

[lightning]

Just wondering if anybody knows, the Shugden monasteries and centres are now not associated with any monastery, so are they outside of "gelugpa"  sect and Gaden Tripa's control?

Are the monasteries/ centres communicating with each other and do they have central leaders or is it too early right now? Is there any platform for them to work together?

Looks like from this "separation" away from the main gelugpa lineage, it is only natural for a new lineage to be formed..seems like it is forming already with this many centres and monasteries of dorje shugden mushrooming up all over the world.

Dorje Shugden's practice will spread far and wide...depicted by the 10 Youthful and Wrathful assistants, all represented from 10 different parts of the world.

May Arya Dorje Shugden Ban Zei!!!!  (Long Live!!!)

[Big Uncle]

The 2nd Dalai Lama (Gyalwa Gendun Gyatso) was the Guru of Panchen Sonam Dragpa.
Panchen Sonam Dragpa besides having been the abbot of Ganden, Sera AND Drepung (a unique situation) also held the chair of the 15th Gaden Tripa and became the guru of the 3rd Dalai Lama (Gyalwa Sonam Gyatso).

Dear HR,

I'm just curious - Panchen Sonam Dragpa seems to take the role of the Panchen Lama during the 2nd and 3rd Dalai Lama's time, meaning the teacher and student swap places... do you know if this continued with the 4th Dalai Lama?

Thanks

The 2nd Dalai Lama (Gyalwa Gendun Gyatso) was the Guru of Panchen Sonam Dragpa.
Panchen Sonam Dragpa besides having been the abbot of Ganden, Sera AND Drepung (a unique situation) also held the chair of the 15th Gaden Tripa and became the guru of the 3rd Dalai Lama (Gyalwa Sonam Gyatso).

Dear HR,

I'm just curious - Panchen Sonam Dragpa seems to take the role of the Panchen Lama during the 2nd and 3rd Dalai Lama's time, meaning the teacher and student swap places... do you know if this continued with the 4th Dalai Lama?

Thanks

Dear Wisdom Being,

Panchen Sonam Dragpa and Panchen Lama are two completely different incarnation lines. Panchen is actually a 'title' bestowed upon exceptionally great teachers (which is why Panchen Sonam Dragpa has it) and is really a Tibetanised version of the Indian word Pandit. On the other hand, the Panchen Lama is actually a line of incarnation that was officially recognised and installed by the 5th Dalai Lama in honour of his Guru, Lobsang Chokyi Gyeltsen. During the process, he recognised 3 of his previous lives posthumously as Panchen Lamas as well. So the Panchen Lama didn't manifest as Panchen Sonam Dragpa. In fact, the incarnation of Panchen Sonam Dragpa, Tulku Dragpa Gyeltsen along with the 5th Dalai Lama were students of Panchen Lobsang Chokyi Gyeltsen. The 1st posthumous incarnation of Panchen Lobsang Chokyi Gyeltsen is Kedrub Je and he was the student of the great Duldzin Dragpa Gyeltsen, the previous live of Panchen Sonam Dragpa.

[thaimonk]

New Tripa very quiet. He doesn't mention anything re for or against Dorje Shugden. Has anyone heard the news.

Although the previous Gaden Tripa 'defected' to Shar Gaden, his throne has not been removed from Gaden Shartse's main prayer hall. That is very unusual. As everyone practicing Dorje Shugden must be expelled from Gaden Shartse including their thrones.

Trijang, Zemey and Trisur Ladrangs all have defected to Shar Gaden. Yet the previous Gaden Tripa (Trisur) and Trijang Rinpoche's throne remain in Gaden's main prayer hall. By right it should have been removed.

Has anyone heard anything on the new Gaden Tripa??

[Losang_Tenpa]

New Tripa very quiet. He doesn't mention anything re for or against Dorje Shugden. Has anyone heard the news.

Although the previous Gaden Tripa 'defected' to Shar Gaden, his throne has not been removed from Gaden Shartse's main prayer hall. That is very unusual. As everyone practicing Dorje Shugden must be expelled from Gaden Shartse including their thrones.

Trijang, Zemey and Trisur Ladrangs all have defected to Shar Gaden. Yet the previous Gaden Tripa (Trisur) and Trijang Rinpoche's throne remain in Gaden's main prayer hall. By right it should have been removed.

Has anyone heard anything on the new Gaden Tripa??

I had the pleasure of seeing these thrones at Shartse when I was in India. They also have a statue of Panchen Sonam Drakpa next to the 5th Dalai Lama in Shartse's main prayer hall as well. I was very pleased to se this.

[WisdomBeing]

New Tripa very quiet. He doesn't mention anything re for or against Dorje Shugden. Has anyone heard the news.

Although the previous Gaden Tripa 'defected' to Shar Gaden, his throne has not been removed from Gaden Shartse's main prayer hall. That is very unusual. As everyone practicing Dorje Shugden must be expelled from Gaden Shartse including their thrones.

Trijang, Zemey and Trisur Ladrangs all have defected to Shar Gaden. Yet the previous Gaden Tripa (Trisur) and Trijang Rinpoche's throne remain in Gaden's main prayer hall. By right it should have been removed.

Has anyone heard anything on the new Gaden Tripa??

I had the pleasure of seeing these thrones at Shartse when I was in India. They also have a statue of Panchen Sonam Drakpa next to the 5th Dalai Lama in Shartse's main prayer hall as well. I was very pleased to se this.

Thanks for the excellent news, Tenzin Sungrab. It is this and other inconsistencies that make HH the Dalai Lama's ban illogical. If Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen's lineage was 'erased', then Panchen Sonam Drakpa's throne should not be in Gaden, nor should his texts be studied.

And as thaimonk says, the thrones of HH Trijang Rinpoche and Gaden Trisur should be removed, but they're not, which is quite telling in itself.

A side question - do all Gaden Trisurs have thrones in Gaden prayer hall? i understand that each Gaden Tri only takes term for a few years so if all of them have thrones in the prayer hall, it could become crowded?

[Mana]

His Holiness the new Gaden Tripa Rizong Rinpoche has so far made no negative statements against Dorje Shugden, his practice or followers till date. He has been completely silent on this issue. He hails from Drepung Loseling Monastery.

Mana

[Vajraprotector]

His Holiness the new Gaden Tripa Rizong Rinpoche has so far made no negative statements against Dorje Shugden, his practice or followers till date. He has been completely silent on this issue. He hails from Drepung Loseling Monastery.

Mana

That's very good to hear. I remember the 100th Gaden Tripa Lobsang Nyima, who  was from Drepung Loseling.This Tripa openly discouraged and
criticized Dorje Shugden s practice. He even criticised Pabongkha Rinpoche.

[Mana]

The 100th Gaden Tripa has also some controversial actions that did not sit well with Drepung Loseling and the Tibetan Govt. But because he was ardently against Dorje Shugden, they let it pass and not make a big deal of it. They needed him to speak out against Shugden to give the world some sort of semblence that all Gelugpas were against Shugden since Gaden Tripa endorsed the ban also. Not that it was necessarily true of course.

Some criticized him as selling his position as Gaden Tripa. We at this website do not endorse this view, but simply share what we have been informed as to how many monks felt at the time.

See this video:

http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=1026

Mana

[thaimonk]

The 100th Gaden Tripa has also some controversial actions that did not sit well with Drepung Loseling and the Tibetan Govt. But because he was ardently against Dorje Shugden, they let it pass and not make a big deal of it. They needed him to speak out against Shugden to give the world some sort of semblence that all Gelugpas were against Shugden since Gaden Tripa endorsed the ban also. Not that it was necessarily true of course.

Some criticized him as selling his position as Gaden Tripa. We at this website do not endorse this view, but simply share what we have been informed as to how many monks felt at the time.

See this video:

http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=1026

Mana

It is not proper that the Gaden Tripa's throne in this video is to the side and not in the centre. How did that happen? The monks travelling with Gaden Tripa should never allow this or at least not film it. It does not serve his position correctly. It shows no respect to the head of the Gelugs. Only the head of another school of Buddhism should be able to be seated on par with the Gaden Tripa.

[WisdomBeing]

The 100th Gaden Tripa has also some controversial actions that did not sit well with Drepung Loseling and the Tibetan Govt. But because he was ardently against Dorje Shugden, they let it pass and not make a big deal of it. They needed him to speak out against Shugden to give the world some sort of semblence that all Gelugpas were against Shugden since Gaden Tripa endorsed the ban also. Not that it was necessarily true of course.

Some criticized him as selling his position as Gaden Tripa. We at this website do not endorse this view, but simply share what we have been informed as to how many monks felt at the time.

See this video:

http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=1026

Mana

Gaden Trisur Rinpoche Jetsun Lungrik Namgyal Rinpoche  also towed the party line and said that people should not worship Shugden while he was serving his term as Gaden Tri but as soon as he retired, he defected to Shar Gaden. It's a pity that his predecessor, the 100th Gaden Tripa did not follow his good example.

[WoselTenzin]

It's not surprising that the TGIE remained quiet about HH Gaden Trisur defecting to Shar Gaden and openly practise DS.  TGIE knows very well if they ex-communicated Gaden Trisur and removed his throne from his monastery, it would be super big news throughout the world.  However, they didn't dare do it because they knew that many people would begin to doubt the legitimacy of their claim that DS is a demon for Gaden Trisur has too much credibility.  Bottom line is that they did not want to risk the bad publicity of denouncing someone that people have so much confidence in.   

[triesa]

There are simply too many inconsistencies in the ban. With the thrones of these high lamas like Trijang Rinpoche, ex Gaden Trisur, still remain intact in Gaden Shartse's prayer hall, it is already telling to everyone that there is something not right about the ban.

On top of that, TGIE keeps very low profile and quiet about these, and the reason is quite obvious. They know the world is not interested in them or in Tibet, but only in the lineage masters who uphold the the Gelug Traditions. Right now, TGIE basically has no country to govern, and as HH Dalai Lama has already made clear to withdraw his political power in TGIE, they could not afford to have any bad publicity on TGIE, as any announcements concerning for example removing the thrones of these high lamas from Gaden monastery will further split the Tibetan community, which is what the newly elected Prime minister Lobsang Sangay trying to avoid.

I think this is the best what TGIE have done so far, by remaining silence about the DS ban and they should. And I hope, under the new leadership of Lobsang Sangay, they are working on ways to re-unite the much divided Tibetan community.