Youtube on Serkong Tritul Rinpoche of Kadhampa Sect.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW94V9Q3qSM
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[Losang_Tenpa]

Nice to see some of the scenes of Dromtug Rinpoche Lobsang Choekye Pelden at Shar Gaden. I even recognise many of the monks in some of the pictures.

[DSFriend]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW94V9Q3qSM

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Thanks for the video link Lightning. Appreciates the pictures...Do post an english version if anyone comes across this video.

much thanks

[Vajraprotector]

There is an interesting video in Chinese language of Dromtug (Jamseng/Jamsing) Rinpoche (Serkong Tritul Rinpoche's student) explaining the switch from Gelugpa to Kadhampa.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpBjU7qydZo&feature=related
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Rinpoche said that this is to revert to the pure tradition (without any controversy of the protectos issue in Gelugpa), but still "change the liquid or soup without changing the medicine" - meaning a change in form but not in content.

[lightning]

There is an interesting video in Chinese language of Dromtug (Jamseng/Jamsing) Rinpoche (Serkong Tritul Rinpoche's student) explaining the switch from Gelugpa to Kadhampa.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpBjU7qydZo&feature=related

Rinpoche said that this is to revert to the pure tradition (without any controversy of the protectos issue in Gelugpa), but still "change the liquid or soup without changing the medicine" - meaning a change in form but not in content.

Yes, It is true that the medicine or the essence has not change, what is change is just the form. As mentioned that Dharma wheel will keep on rounding and in future the name of some sects will change. Most importantly, the essence of teachings is preserved.

[Zach]

This isnt making sense to me what does he mean he has recovered Atisha's Kadampa ?

[lightning]

Nice to see some of the scenes of Dromtug Rinpoche Lobsang Choekye Pelden at Shar Gaden. I even recognise many of the monks in some of the pictures.

Thanks TS and Kadhampa has pledged to donate financial support for the necessities to Shar Garden for ten years.

This isnt making sense to me what does he mean he has recovered Atisha's Kadampa ?

Ii is reverting back to the Kadhampa lineage, Although after the establishment of Gelug, Kadhampa may seems no exists, but the teachings of Kadhampa is still passed down until today. HH 25th Serkong Tritul Rinpoche is the reincarnation of Aitsha, while HH 18th Jamseng Rinpoche is the reincarnation of Dromtonpa. As mentioned in the youtube, sensitive issues within Gelugpa will ceased to exist after the recovery of Kadhampa Sect.

[Zach]

Nice to see some of the scenes of Dromtug Rinpoche Lobsang Choekye Pelden at Shar Gaden. I even recognise many of the monks in some of the pictures.

Thanks TS and Kadhampa has pledged to donate financial support for the necessities to Shar Garden for ten years.

This isnt making sense to me what does he mean he has recovered Atisha's Kadampa ?

Ii is reverting back to the Kadhampa lineage, Although after the establishment of Gelug, Kadhampa may seems no exists, but the teachings of Kadhampa is still passed down until today. HH 25th Serkong Tritul Rinpoche is the reincarnation of Aitsha, while HH 18th Jamseng Rinpoche is the reincarnation of Dromtonpa. As mentioned in the youtube, sensitive issues within Gelugpa will ceased to exist after the recovery of Kadhampa Sect.

So how is this going to work are they going to disavow everything after Atisha ?

[losangshengpin]

Nice to see some of the scenes of Dromtug Rinpoche Lobsang Choekye Pelden at Shar Gaden. I even recognise many of the monks in some of the pictures.

Thanks TS and Kadhampa has pledged to donate financial support for the necessities to Shar Garden for ten years.

This isnt making sense to me what does he mean he has recovered Atisha's Kadampa ?

Ii is reverting back to the Kadhampa lineage, Although after the establishment of Gelug, Kadhampa may seems no exists, but the teachings of Kadhampa is still passed down until today. HH 25th Serkong Tritul Rinpoche is the reincarnation of Aitsha, while HH 18th Jamseng Rinpoche is the reincarnation of Dromtonpa. As mentioned in the youtube, sensitive issues within Gelugpa will ceased to exist after the recovery of Kadhampa Sect.

So how is this going to work are they going to disavow everything after Atisha ?

Haha, u r getting wrong idea, no disavow, but returning the original pure kadhampa... all lama guru still exist including Tsongkapa, just use back kadhampa's teaching

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Haha, u r getting wrong idea, no disavow, but returning the original pure kadhampa... all lama guru still exist including Tsongkapa, just use back kadhampa's teaching

 @ Losang Shengping, U are right,

@ Zach W, Not to worry, there is no disavow. Besides many Lamas from Shar Garden make offerings to HH Dromtug Rinpoche in the youtube as seen.

[Zach]

Haha, u r getting wrong idea, no disavow, but returning the original pure kadhampa... all lama guru still exist including Tsongkapa, just use back kadhampa's teaching

 @ Losang Shengping, U are right,

@ Zach W, Not to worry, there is no disavow. Besides many Lamas from Shar Garden make offerings to HH Dromtug Rinpoche in the youtube as seen.

Okay 
So what exact changes have they made other then the name ? Dorje shugden is no longer an issue does this mean he is no longer theyre main protector ? Still need a bit more info 

[Lone Hermit]

Ii is reverting back to the Kadhampa lineage, Although after the establishment of Gelug, Kadhampa may seems no exists, but the teachings of Kadhampa is still passed down until today. HH 25th Serkong Tritul Rinpoche is the reincarnation of Aitsha, while HH 18th Jamseng Rinpoche is the reincarnation of Dromtonpa. As mentioned in the youtube, sensitive issues within Gelugpa will ceased to exist after the recovery of Kadhampa Sect.

Are you saying that since the time of Lama Tsong Khapa and the establishment of Gelugpa monasteries Kadampa dharma has only existed as a secret tradition? That might come as a surprise to our Lamas.

And who recognized Serkong Tritul Rinpoche and Jamseng Rinpoche as Atisha and Dromtonpa?

Was it the Dalai Lama, Trijang Rinpoche, Ling Rinpoche, Gaden Tri Rinpoche, Pabonka Rinpoche, Kelsang Gyatso Rinpoche, Gonsar Tulku or Ganchen Rinpoche. Or maybe all of them?

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Ii is reverting back to the Kadhampa lineage, Although after the establishment of Gelug, Kadhampa may seems no exists, but the teachings of Kadhampa is still passed down until today. HH 25th Serkong Tritul Rinpoche is the reincarnation of Aitsha, while HH 18th Jamseng Rinpoche is the reincarnation of Dromtonpa. As mentioned in the youtube, sensitive issues within Gelugpa will ceased to exist after the recovery of Kadhampa Sect.

Are you saying that since the time of Lama Tsong Khapa and the establishment of Gelugpa monasteries Kadampa dharma has only existed as a secret tradition? That might come as a surprise to our Lamas.

And who recognized Serkong Tritul Rinpoche and Jamseng Rinpoche as Atisha and Dromtonpa?

Was it the Dalai Lama, Trijang Rinpoche, Ling Rinpoche, Gaden Tri Rinpoche, Pabonka Rinpoche, Kelsang Gyatso Rinpoche, Gonsar Tulku or Ganchen Rinpoche. Or maybe all of them?

Are you studying Gelug teachings? If you are not aware, just to let you know that the Lam Rim Lamp commentaries are composed by Atisha, then later Je Tsong Kha Pa further develop and compose Lam Rim. There are a lot of Kadam lineage and teachings from various masters are preserved till today in Gelug. Everyone studying Gelug knows that and it is no surprise at all.

As seen on the youtube that there are so many high rankings Lamas were sent to offer Katas to Serkong Tritul Rinpoche for the certification ceremony. Serkong Tritul Rinpoche studied and acquired various lineage teachings from many important and high ranking Lamas like Zemey Rinpoche, Trijang Rinpoche, Ling Rinpoche, Song Rinpoche, Guru Deva Rinpoche etc. Serkong Tritul Rinpoche certified Dromtug Rinpoche's incarnation and Dromtug Rinpoche was enthroned in Garden Monastery.

[thaimonk]

Serkong Tritul Rinpoche is ANOTHER GREAT TULKU. The tulku system is alive and well. Very necessary and very beneficial for this precarious time.

All the great Tulkus of the lineage must RE-APPEAR proving the Tibetan Govt wrong if you practice Shugden, you get bad results. Only tulkus can prove this ridiculous statement wrong.


Tulkus rule.

[WisdomBeing]

Serkong Tritul Rinpoche is ANOTHER GREAT TULKU. The tulku system is alive and well. Very necessary and very beneficial for this precarious time.

All the great Tulkus of the lineage must RE-APPEAR proving the Tibetan Govt wrong if you practice Shugden, you get bad results. Only tulkus can prove this ridiculous statement wrong.


Tulkus rule.

Cute - Thai monk! Tulkus rule indeed!

As long as a tulku is recognised according to the monastic tradition, then the tulku must be authentic.

If anyone has a Guru who has been recognised as a tulku according to the same tradition, then it cannot be that one tulku is a real one and one is not. It's similar to saying that the teachings and practices of one Lama are all correct - and not that some are correct and some are not.

I think that tulkus make perfect sense and can only be assessed by their results and not by just anyone's criteria, especially lay people! I do get a bit narked when some lay people get all high and mighty and start commenting on tulkus. I'm like on what basis are you talking about oh well.. om mani peme hung.