Dalai Lama angrily replies to peaceful nun

Dear friends,

Here is another video showing Dalai Lama frustrated, angry and very determined to force his point across cutting the calm and collected interviewer’s words. Not allowing for any other opinions. Violence in Gaden Monastery and Mundgod Tibetan camps were perpetrated by anti-Shugden people (backed up by CTA)when they stormed the Monastery and threw rocks at Shugden monks houses.They sent death threats to Trijang Rinpoche and many masters such as Gen Tsultrim (escaped to Switzerland), where Trijang Rinpoche had to escape to Switzerland then USA. But the Dalai Lama denied any of this. and even more violence this year (2014) when Trijang Rinpoche’s assistant was attacked in Mundgod.

Dalai Lama angry, very intent on cutting the interviewer off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdyIJwVaqZ8

How can a religious practitioner, monk, teacher and student say his teacher is wrong?

If Dalai Lama can say his teacher is wrong, then Dalai Lama himself can be wrong too. Everyone can be wrong. And the ban on Dorje Shugden’s practice is wrong. It is the opinion of the Dalai Lama only that Shugden is wrong, so he can be wrong also. It is only an opinion.

All people of all religions including Shamanists, voodoo practitioners, witches, Satanists, Christians, Hindus, atheists can join Dalai Lama’s talks. But Shugden practitioners cannot. Why? Why are only they targeted? Why so much hatred towards Shugden practitioners?

Jangchup Choeden

Dalai Lama said Dorje Shugden is bad. But his gurus says Dorje Shugden is good. Who is wrong or right? If Dalai Lama guru can be wrong, then all our gurus can be wrong. Then why have gurus? No more gurus and guru devotion. All gurus can be wrong.

Why Dalai Lama ask Monasteries and people to kick out monks if they practice Shugden? Why so fierce? Where do monks go? Very poor. Why only kick out because practice Shugden. Where is compassion? Kick out monks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eTFXgVKQi4 (see 3:40)

Even famous Burmese monks don’t like Dalai Lama and speak against him and his words that insult his sangha:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syk5cDw3GO8

Dalai Lama stop the ban. Have compassion for all beings even if they don’t agree with you. Have love like the sun for everyone.

Spirits are playing havoc with human naivety… listen to those that know… if you play with disembodied spirits and other nasties you will get burnt… and if you do you will carry your toxic connections with you affecting those who practice the way of the Sun

Azzek,

To different parts of the world, Buddhism itself is considered a wrong demon worshipping religion. Should we listen to the people in those parts of the world who ‘know’. It is a matter of opinion. To some Catholics will go to hell. To others Hindus are idol worshippers. So what?

The fruit do not fall far from the tree. Observe the people practicing certain faiths to ‘judge’ their faiths. Dalai Lama’s group has created so much violence against Shugden people. It’s sad and yet it hurts many and something has to be done. This issue will not go away. See the violence:

http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/cta-creates-violence-again/

This article & the video, and the writing in this article are all… of a misunderstanding..

Buddhism is not a religion— do you get what he was saying?

I am not getting into the bs of this conversation— that’s what he was saying– I would take defense– and walk away too— she’s combative & meeting him in accusation & aggression..

That’s what most of you don’t see, understand, nor want to open your minds to..

End of story. I’ll do my part by not advertising this drama any further.

It’s Pro-Activeness, and being humble doesn’t mean you have to entertain someone elses anger.

Fuck you and your bullshit story !

Buddha was born in nepal and ask to nepalies people about budhha and buddhism, dalai lama doesnt even know Buddha was hindu before anyway no matter what buddha was but we hve to respect of his rules thats it .

As a common Chinese people, I can’t support Dalai. He only brings unrest to our society. And many people lost freedom because his bewitch….: (

this article is very bashing and ignorant. first of all, the writer knows nothing about buddhist logic nor the culture of tibet. (meaning the style of speaking) (often when the uninitiated see chinese speakers talk, they look violent, but it is not at all, rather, a cultural difference/cadence). the dalai lama was simply responding. secondly, the bashing of the dalai lama for being an omniscient man who befriends dubious figures, does not understand reincarnation nor the fact that he is a simple monk, a human. not a god. This is a twisting of information for the end result of WHAT? if the dalai lama says it is not buddhism, then it is not. but it does not HAVE to be buddhism, just don’t tell the most knowledgable person on earth what is and what is not buddhism. Its perfectly ok to have it, just call it something else. and lastly, and frankly, i am shocked that this organization would stoop so low as to target a buddhist leader in such a fashion using any tact that could bias truth against this compassionate leader. shame on you. i would want nothing to do with an organization that reduces itself to such tactics.

I mean to say . Ask someone from Christianity or Islam and they will say you worship the devil.

and the contemplation below is lovely. but its still up to the person to decide what they think and how they react. Just because you show kindness doesn’t mean other will show it. It also doesn’t mean you have to engage or try to change other’s minds. Again .. do your thing.. and the rest will take care of itself.

Sadly, the occidental society believes that the so called “Tibetan buddhism” is the orthodox Buddhism.
It’s nothing like the orthodox Buddhism but the appearance they want us to believe.
The occidental society believes them because they are against the communism which was adapted in China.
China is and was a Buddhism country, she has embraced in this religion for more than 2000 years.
In Tibet, the religion had been embraced earlier than it had in China, but later the primitive religion, the Bonism prevailed over it again.
Meanwhile, in India the Buddhism was prevailed over by the Hinduism, the Buddhism was fading, more and more evil forces penetrated into the Buddhists and its doctrine was tampered by Shantideva and Candrakīrti, and transferred to Tibet by Padmasambhava.
The “Tibet “Buddhism” is actually Hinduism wrapped with the appearance of the Buddhism that adapt the doctrine of Hinduism and Bonism.

But the occidental society would rather believe Dalai Lam cause of the conflicts between Ideologies.
Fortunetly, researchers as Colins Goldner and Maxime Vivas still can describe the truth neutrally.

Thank you for everyone participating with your POV and posting.

In response to a few of the posts I would like to add some points:

1) Just because the ban doesn’t affect you? and you can practice freely is SELECTIVE COMPASSION, saying something that needs to be said? should not be said because one is comfortable, happy, safe in their own practice is not logical from a humanitarian or buddhist pov. This is NOT DHARMA PRACTICE (if you have to ask why? or truly don’t know ask your teacher or study your Lam Rim).

2) Ego in the form of intellectual knowledge is also not dharma practice? without out compassion for practitioners who make all teachings part of their daily lives.

3) Saying that because Buddhas teachings are not really his teachings when they travel to other regions?

Please…if thats the case we can play merry go round one-up manship about who is right and who is wrong? What is the point.

Taking this form of Logic I could argue that through your individual interpretation of the Buddhas teachings you are already changing the meaning for yourself / from your own POV / rightly or wrongly based on your perceptions / view / expectations etc….Are you deluding yourself or illuminating Buddhas words with the essence of his teachings?

4) Buddhas teachings change to meet the needs of the spiritual seekers or teachers in those environments? Do we then say Buddhism in Japan, SE Asia, Russia, Taiwan, the West is all wrong?
Certainly not because people benefit in the end.

5) If you are going to comment please at least focus on the topic on hand rather than confuse the issues pertaining to the thread for everyones benefit.

_/I\_ JH

Despite the political / religious issue I have this to say: he doesn’t look too angry to me. Insistent, yes. Perhaps a little peeved… but compared to what most people deal with every day in the world? Not too angry.

It’s a spiritual trap to assume that one should never raise one’s voice – passive aggression and resentments are the real killers.

sff

Foolish people. Theocracy is a throw-back. The Dalai Lama is correct and those hung up on it are simply in a state of confusion.

Back to your practice. Free yourselves from this delusion.

Claude Adrien, after reading everything if that is your conclusion, it shows the level of your mind.

10th Panchen Lama, Trijang Rinpoche, Zong Rinpoche, Pabongka Rinpoche and all the 80 percent of the combined 15,000 monks of Gaden, Sera and Drepung must all be communist because they practiced Dorje Shugden?

Are you sure? If you are sure, then it’s beyond illogical. Thanks for your opinion anyways.

However the nun is speaking she is a spiritual ‘nobody’ while the Dalai Lama is considered Chenresig’s incarnation. How can Chenresig show so much impatience and anger? What kind of Buddha incarnation is this?

The Dalai Lama in interviews always say he has no anger towards the Chinese who has killed over a millions Tibetans and he forgives them. Well that sounds nice. Why does he not forgive the Nun in this scenario and be kind no matter how she acts. You must do as you preach. He is so angry and curt and caught on film.

After reading all the articles, I am not attending any more talks by Dalai Lama. What is happening is not right. I will also not donate to the Tibetan cause anymore. The CTA are really too much. I’ve donated thousands to them in Dharamsala. I’ve gone for Free Tibet marches, campaigns and fundraisers for years.

I now realise we were supporting the CTA in the Tibetan cause in abusing their human rights and causing agony and sufferings to the community already in exile. For many years my friends and I worked hard and funded the cause. But today we are aware of the situation in the exile community. We will no longer wish to be part of this wrongful prosecution and shall immediately cease the funding to any Tibetan cause.

Well, most people’s talking here is mostly based on politic.
I’m a religion researcher, my interest is mostly based on the difference between the doctrines of those related religions.
In this case, some knots in politic must be untied first, and then goes to religoin part.
To the occidental people, when it comes to Buddhism, the Tibetan Buddhism comes to their minds first.
Since 1959, everybody thinks that the Buddhism is what Dalai Lama taught us.
People can rarely come to another possibilities that Dalai Lama didn’t taught the occidental society unless one owns this special area and major the Buddhist study.
Occidental people can’t doubt Dalai Lama’s doctrine cause he has been “God” reputed in the Democratic world, one doubts him would be degraded as an Anti-Human Rights and an invader supporter.
There’s a wrong premise need to be emphasized, that Doubt in Dalai Lama’s validity equals Disavowing the situation of the Human Rights in China.
What’s more, Dalai taught the world that the the situation of the Anti-Human Rights only happens in Tibet racially.
Must be emphasized that the Anti-Human Rights happens not only to those national minorities, but to everyone(without those who make the laws) in China.
Dalai’s supporters consider this issue as a racial problem habitually.

Back to the religion part, the Tibetan Buddhists taught the occidental society that Buddhism practices Tantra since it has been founded 2600 years ago.
What’s Tantra?
You can Wiki it first – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tantra
But the Wikipedia doesn’t tell every part, there’s something about sex.
However, academically, we should discuss here, the Tantraism believed that Yoga can lead to mental improvements, some of them are sexual which those practisers denied.
They said that the sexual part is not sexual cause there’s no ejaculation while orgasm comes to the practisers.(I can’t find other words more academical.)
Dalai said the same thing, too in the book named “Dalai Lama in Harvard University”, which was translated into graphs with many hard sanskrit loan words, only those who has learned tibetan, sanskrit, hindi, Buddhism, Hinduism and Tantraism thoroughly can actually understand what he was talking about.

But Tibetan Buddhists doesn’t teach the sexual parts at first cause those countries such as Japan, Taiwan and China know have practised Buddhism longer than westerners have, also the asian societies are more prudent.
If they teach everything at once, everybody would find out the problem, though some people would still buy that.

To distinguish from the orthodox Buddhism, I’ll just call it Lamaism.

How did the Lamaism deal with the other religion before 1959?
Case 1. The case of Charles Alexis Renou and Jean Charles Fage
In 1850, two Catholic priests, Charles Alexis Renou and Jean Charles Fage went to China to preach.
In 1854, they built the first Catholic church in Tibetan area. Then, Charles Alexis Renou went further into Tibet in 1862, but killed in 1863.
1865, Lamas commanded 300 lamaists to attack the church in Bonga, the other priest led his church members to escape, no one in the area dared to help them till they went to the area ruled by Tusi of Dongba tribes.
The Tusi helped them set up a church in Tsigu.
But the church was burned down later by those lamas, a french priest was caught and then his head was chopped down.
Seven nuns jumped into river and drowned while they had nowhere to escape to.
There’re other cases today known and happening still.

I was having doubts about the CTA or exile Tibetan govt in Dharamsala for last few years. Why are they not fighting for the independence of their country anymore? The Dalai Lama is silent on the issue and only talks about the Bhagvan Dorje Shugden issue. This is not the action of a Guru-ji. Dalai Lama and his people have been welcomed on our Indian soil for the last 50 years, but are you not returning to your country? Are you staying in India forever? I am disheartened by all the talk on Bhagvan Dorje Shugden on Indian soil which allows freedom to worship. No guru may criticize any God of any person.

We will continue to protest peaceably until Dalai Lama releases the ban. We will not stop and the truth will prevail. Thank you http://www.dorjeshugden.com for supporting our teacher Geshe Kelsang Gyatso Rinpoche and joining us to bring down the ban. I am grateful to this informative website.

@ Дэкдэтэй

I respect peoples right to post their POV however in the interest of discussions this is not the thread / forum to peddle your ideas about what buddhist history is based on your research?

If you want an academic discussion? create your own website and discuss there or find the relevant online forum to find out the answers you seek.

I do not need to point out again that your comments do not relate to the topic at hand? It comes across as intellectual BS that does not care about anyone else.

If you need to talk about Tantra in a public forum you ought to know better? or you do not practice Tantra period. If you feel you need to discuss tantra without permission this is also not good.

Also comments like Lamaism are also highly offensive to some practitioners and out of respect you should investigate further with a qualified teacher to explain to you why?

The people you highlight were indeed some of the first westerners entering Tibet. However reading some of their research it becomes quite clear there are assumptions about what they observed fell quite short of the real meaning in some cases.

So if you really want to be a religious researcher who gets the facts 100% right before you post anything in the public domain at least do more research that involves more than quoting wikipedia.

Please post your opinions respectfully and try to keep on the thread of the conversation. Discussions about Tantra has nothing to do with this article or this comments section.

_/I\_JH

Y’know Doug,

The nun may or may not be what you say, but the issue is tens of thousands have had their civil liberties taken away due to this ban on Shugden in India and Nepal. People should have the right to worship what they choose without heavy handed punishments. Maybe the nun was very passionate and speaking up for those without a voice. Dalai Lama may express his opinion on Shugden but he should not enact or allow laws against Shugden practitioners. Period.