Due to the distinctive lack of support and cooperation within the Dorje Shugden community to bring down the ban, promote Dorje Shugden and safeguard the Dorje Shugden monasteries, we at DorjeShugden.com have decided to terminate all our online activities effective November 8th 2014.
Since its conception, we have spent millions of dollars and countless hours creating awareness through our varied articles, artwork, videos, comics, pendants, statues and other merchandise. However the lack of cohesive support within the community speaks for itself. The consistent unfounded allegations and attacks from WITHIN the Dorje Shugden community have proved disheartening. Everyone has their limits and it appears we have been pushed to ours.
Due to recent events, the sponsors and committee have expressed their displeasure. They have decided that effective November 9th 2014, the following activities will terminate:
- hosting and updating DorjeShugden.com
- Reporting and investigations of the latest news throughout the Dorje Shugden world
- Managing and posting on Facebook and online social media
- Printing of all mail out articles, brochures and various literature. Thousands of mail-outs are printed each month to create awareness
- Costs incurred from postage on mailouts
- Costs incurred from transportation of mail-out items and staff
- Production of statues and images for sale to support the monasteries
- High resolution images for FREE download
- Sponsorship of various Shugden activities
- Sponsorship to individuals who have personally requested DS admin for sponsorship, e.g. plane tickets to teachings.
All funding and the hundreds of thousands of dollars of donations to the Shugden monasteries will also terminate. Anyone else who wishes to continue this work is welcome to do so, on their own and gather their own information and resources.
We wish everyone good luck in this. We will not be pursuing the ban anymore. If you have any concerns, or wish to give us your opinion, please let us know via our Facebook page or email us at [email protected]
From,
Admin
pgdharma
October 29, 2014
Please don’t close down this website.This website has provided so much information and benefited so many including me. I found Dorje Shugden through this website and after two to three years of learning and having faith, Dorje Shugden has helped me through difficult periods of my life. This website is a platform for those who needed help in this degenerate age and I beg the Admin to please reconsider terminating this website that has given hope to many.
To all those who have benefited from Dorje Shugden, I urge and beg you to please support and stop this website from closing down. Let’s join force and work in harmony to support Dorjeshugden.com and the hardworking team behind who have worked so hard and spent so much money to provide us with so much information not only about Dorje Shugden but Buddhism in general.
Lobsang tenzin
October 29, 2014
please don’t shut down this http://www.dorjeshugden.com
Tsewang
October 29, 2014
Dear Agnes,
I have posted a comment yesterday without negative intentions. It is a real truth that All Shugdhen Followers are on wrong path with blind practice with devil in real till now.
I feel pity more on you non-Tibetans who don’t know anything about real Buddha Dharma, and blindly chosen the path which is destined to Hell !
Actually it is great news that DS.com is going to close down the website and also terminate all Wrongdoings against His Holiness the Dalai Lama and CTA. It is indeed great and noble decision which benefit for all Shugdhen followers. We are not against your practices for Shugdhen, but for your baseless accusations towards His Holiness and CTA. THat is our points.
I really wholeheartedly advise you : let this website shut down, do your own Shugdhen practises without accusations to non-shugdhen people, and slowly try to study real teachings of Lama Tsongkhapa.
May truth enlightens all you Shugdhen followers !
Tashi delek
Tsewang
Anonymous
October 29, 2014
Haha
gyatso
October 29, 2014
རྒྱ་འདྲེ་འདིའི་དྲ་རྒྱ་སྒོ་རྒྱག་རྒྱུ་ཞེས་ཁྱབ་བསྒྲགས་བྱས་བ་ནི།དོན་གྱིས་རྒྱ་གར་གྱི་བོད་ཀྱི་གྲྭ་བ་བློ་བཟང་བསྟན་པ་ཟེར་པ་དེས།ཤུགས་ལྡན་ཚོགས་པས་རྒྱུ་ནོར་མང་པོ་ལྐོག་ཟ་བྱས་བ་དང།ཁོ་ནི་ཕོ་གཡབ་དང་མོ་གཡབ།བྱིས་འཛག་མཁན་ཞིག་ཡིན་པར་བཤད།དེ་ནས་དྲ་རྒྱའི་འགན་ཁུར་པ་ཁོང་གིས་རྒྱུ་ནོར་ལྐོག་ཟ་བྱས་བ་མ་དགའ་བ་ཁྲིམས་གཏུག་བྱ་རྒྱུ་བྱས་བ་རེད་ཟེར།དེ་ནས་བློ་བཟང་བསྟན་པས་ཁྱོད་ཚོ་ཁོ་རང་ཁྲིམས་གཏུག་བྱས་ན།ཁོང་གིས་ཤུགས་ལྡན་གྱི་སྒོར་མོ་ཐམས་ཅད་ཀྱི་འབྱུང་ཁུམས་རྒྱ་གཞུང་གི་སྲིད་གཞུང་གི་ལས་ཁུངས་ཡིན་པ་ཁྱབ་བསྒྲགས་བྱེད་རྒྱུ་དང།དེ་མིན་སུ་དང་སུ་ཡོད་མེད་སོགས་ཁྱབ་བསྒྲགས་བྱེད་རྒྱུ་ཡིན་པ་སོགས་ཁྱབ་བསྒྲགས་བྱེད་རྒྱུ་ཡིན་ཞེས་འཇིགས་སྐུལ་བྱས་རྐྱེན།དྲ་རྒྱ་འདི་སོགས་ཚང་མ་སྐྲག་ནས།ཟླ་རྗེས་མ་ཚེས་བ་བརྒྱད་ནས་དྲ་རྒྱ་སོགས་སྒོ་རྒྱག་རྒྱུ་ཡིན་པའི་ཁྱབ་བསྒྲགས་བྱས་བ་ཞིག་རེད།ད་ལྟ་རྒྱ་གཞུང་གི་སོ་བ་རྣམས་དང་མི་རྣམས་སྐྲག་ནས་ཅི་བྱེད་འདི་བྱེད་མེད་པའི་སྐབས་རེད།ད་རྒྱ་འདྲེའི་ངོ་གདོང་གསལ་བོ་སྟོན་ཀིན་འདུག།
ronykhan
October 29, 2014
@Gyatso. Do you mean to imply that Dalai Lama’s Guru, HE Trijiang Lobsang Yeshe Tenzin Gyatso who certainly can read Tibetan, has misinterpreted the Gelugpa and Lama Tsongkapa teachings ? Did he teach the Dalai Lama folklore Tibetan Buddhism too ?
Mipham
October 29, 2014
To the Administrator of DS.com,
Wonderful news of DS.com coming to end on 8th November 2014. This site was launches years ago with harmful and dark intentions to hurt holy wishes of His Holiness the Dalai Lama, defame him and create pain in heart of majority Tibetans and well wishers of His Holiness and Tibetan people.
If you start a mission with sole intention to harm others at the end that mission will perish itself. Now is the best time to end your harmful mission and close the chapter, because many, scams and controversies are not yet public. It is very clear from the recent dogfight over monetary issues between few groups related to DS.com the scam is deep and endless. I and majority Tibetans are sure more issues open up in coming weeks and months.
Till today DS.com worked very hard to defame highly regarded and reputed personal like (HHDL, Samdong Rinpoche, Lobsang Senge and Shartse Khen Rinpoche) etc. pretending you are pure and always pointing your finger to these highly respected people in Tibetan community. Now is the time to harvest what have sown for all these years. The extremely strong negative Karmas you created is ripening. Be ready to face more serious problems in coming weeks. No outsider needs to do anything to destroy your organisation and mission, it will perish due to infight and internal disharmony. If you don’t realise the nature of DS, read the yellow book compiled by Zemey Rinpoche in 1970′s. It clearly shows how harmful it is for religious harmony. That book was not written by HHDL and under his guidance. It was written under the guidance of H. E. Trijang Rinpoche by his close disciple Zemey Rinpoche. If you feel uneasy after reading that book, then you will understand the reason of His Holiness’ advise to his students.
Every teacher have complete right to warn their students from any kind of physical and spiritual danger. After the warning if any student disregards it and chooses not to heed the advise, the teacher have full right to peacefully isolate the students and ban them from receiving teachings from him. These steps are according to the guidelines laid by Buddha Shakyamuni in the Vinaya Literature. So His Holiness Dalai Lama didn’t do anything wrong at all. We should appreciate his compassion towards his disciples, due to that he dared to speak out in public on this issue. May every seekers of salvation and omniscience be blessed with such compassionate, caring. kind and daring teachers.
With prayers for long life to His Holiness the Dalai Lama. May those people distracted from correct path will be back on the right path with clear guidance of His Holiness the Dalai Lama.
Mipham Denpa
Kelsang Drime
October 29, 2014
To all of those who post negative comments about Dorje Shugden or his followers as well as those who do the same toward HH the 14th Dalai Lama:
Instead of posting negative comments, post something positive. If you agree with HH the Dalai Lama, then post something positive about the Dalai Lama. If you agree with Dorje Shugden, then post something positive about Dorje Shugden.
There is absolutely NOTHING to be gained by bad-mouthing those with whom you disagree. Try instead, to find something positive about what you disagree with. Then you will be benefiting yourselves as well as others.
cypherpunko
October 29, 2014
I don’t know the issues that you’re referring to about “allegations and attacks WITHIN the Dorje Shugden community” and the other disheartening occurences. I’m very sorry to see that the activities will be terminated. As a practitioner, I’ve found http://www.dorjeshugden.com to be a valuable resoource.
Very sad . . . I hope you can be persuaded to reconsider and at least keep the website going.
If this is really impossible, at the very least would it be possible to make the content of the articles available to people interested in the form of a compressed archive?
In any case, thanks for the hard work and devotion that you’ve put into the site over the years. It has been – and is – appreciated.
Clayton
October 29, 2014
I grew up in Tibet. I know english and i am educated and we all practice DORJE SHUGDEN!!! THIS IS GELUGPA! PROTECTOR OF OUR TIMES.
Karma
October 29, 2014
This criminal Losang Tempa has destroyed all the credibility of shugden followers. Now all his criminal records are all being shared over on the facebook. And his friends from NKT are still supporting and backing him as a result, all shugden followers are being shamed. These NKT have a bad reputation as a result all sugden followers get dragged with it. NKT don’t belive in the Tulku and oracle system. They don’t recognise Trijiang Choktrul as the true reincarnation of Trijiang Rincpoche. And it is NKT people who are trying to heckle Dalai Lama during talks. And now NKT people have revealed who is behind this webiste and put peoples and lamas life in danger. Shame on losang tempa and abby for the scam.
JD
October 29, 2014
please, please don’t let people write all these negative and malevolent comments on your wonderful website! … it should be a space to give strength and encouragement to our Protector pratictioners, maybe the only one!!! but it’s being filled and used by these people to spread their poison..
if you control these posts one day they will get tired to send them…
AND PLEASE , PLEASE GO ON WITH YOUR GREAT JOB
THANK YOU FROM HEART
paolorossi4444
October 29, 2014
please don’t shut down.paolo
Tara
October 29, 2014
It is immensely disheartening there are some Shugdenpas who do not appreciate its work; instead of supporting DS.COM in the Shugden movement to bring down the ban, they are criticising and condemning DS.COM for the falsity of their own righteousness and selfcenteredness thereby harming the Shugden movement in unity to remove the ban. Are they genuine Shugden practitioners or are they glorifying their egos and self-grasping?
Tsewang
October 29, 2014
Beleive it or not, I have several friends (who belongs to Shugden worshipers) in India and they already stopped practising this Demon since few years back after kind guidance from His Holiness and CTA. Now all of them are fine without this demon’s practises anymore.
And I also have very few friends who still worshiping the Demon, and truly speaking that these family members who are in touch with Shugden, endlessly and continuously suffering from different diseases for long time which medicines and Puja could not help. At the end, they are dying so terribly.
If you don’t believe, then try investigate yourselves on their period of deaths of all Shugden follwers of the past.
So please stop your travel towards devils’ world to save yourselves !
Ronykhan
October 29, 2014
In the Music Delighting the Ocean of protectors written by Kyabje Trijiang Dorje Chang, on page 5 it quotes ” A Protector who exhibits a worldly aspect yet it is indivisible from Manjushri Yamantaka is this very Dharma protector , Gyalchen Dorje Shugden ” .
For those who mistakenly label him as a spirit this is what H.E Trijiang Rinpoche had to say “There are some indeed who echo such claims knowing nothing about it. Yet all this talk is nothing but babbling speculation”
“The proof is unmistaken ” – That DS was the reincarnation of Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen who is the final birth in a reincarnation lineage of Enlightened great beings of Biwarpa, Shakya Shri, Buton, Dultzin Dragpa Gyaltsen, Panchen Sonam Dragpa etc.
This scripture is a comprehensive collection of rituals and other texts associated with DS which Pabongkha Dechen Nyingpo Rinpcohe asked Trijiang Rinpoche to complete :- Dam can rgya mtsho dgas pa’i rol mo
Hence,for those who are ignorant of the facts re the great DS Protector, please do study this text for clarity and wisdom.
Ronykhan
October 29, 2014
Note that there are free downloads of the Music delighting the Ocean of Protectors on ds.com , in 4 languages i.e English, Mandarin, Bahasa Indonesia and most importantly the original Tibetan language. This is all made possible through the kindness of ds.com website.
This website has in many ways benefitted many and we all do wish for it not to close down, but to continue as an important portal to spread Dharma teachings to benefit all beings.
Christopher Leor
October 29, 2014
Please please please DS.com Admin, million of Shugdenpas need this precious Website and all the contributions had done.
May more sponsors coming in to fight until the illogical Ban down !!!
Antonie Parker
October 29, 2014
I read and understand a lot of controversy and the Ban related articles through DS.com, is really appreciate the hard works of Admin and the team. Even for a new follower like me can be convince with all the details, proofs and videos provided.
I really wish that DS.com will be with us for many eons to come!
Youis Andrew
October 29, 2014
Humbly request to DS.com admin not to stop all the hard works since many years ago. We will follow ur team to conquer the Ban till it lifted.
Just can imaging there will be countless new Dorje Shugden followers coming in Soooon…
Alberto Swiss
October 29, 2014
Its a sad day to hear about this announcement, all Shugdenpas need to work together hands in hands to show our sincerity to DS.com Admin and the team so we may enjoy this Dorje Shugden online library forever!
Alberto plead for DS.com Admin and team give us a chance again for a better future and the Ban to lifted as soon possible.
Concerned
October 29, 2014
Hi,
In all honesty, please keep your practice relying on the Dharma protector in however that manifests. I am a Dorje Shugden practitioner and have appreciated things from this website, but I don’t really get why being offended by people’s points would lead you to deleting the website. It comes off as a bit of a threat, which is disappointing. If you really think its important for allowing Dharma to flourish and truth to prevail, then please keep it. If you don’t think its that important, then delete it. Either way, keep your practice, continue improving your minds and relying on your spiritual guide properly, and there will be no problems.
Much love.
Zoe Zen
October 29, 2014
This website supports truth and nothing but the truth.The truth of the Dharma, as taught by Lord Buddha 2600 years ago, is still being preserved by the great lineage masters of the pure Lineage of Je Tsonghkapa’s teachings. Through these lineage masters, who compassionately reincarnate lifetime after lifetime to transmit the teachings in an unbroken line of transmission all the way from Lord Buddha, the Buddha’s teachings are being preserved. This website presents the teachings and the teachers- their biographies and their great works and deeds – fully and unerringly. Whether transmitted in Tibetan or English or Chinese, the teachings and their definitive or ultimate meanings are preserved.The great lineage masters and Shugden Lamas store in their mindstreams all the transmitted and attained dharma. Thus, through their students’ unwavering Guru Devotion in following all their Gurus’ instructions, and their unbroken samaya with their Gurus, the teachings continue to be transmitted via these students who become teachers of Dharma.
Thus Guru Devotion has been central and key to ensuring that Dharma – in this era, of the second Buddha, Je Tsongkhapa – continues to be preserved and to flourish, and the lineage practice of the Protector of Je Tsongkhapa’s teachings, especially of JeTsongkhapa’s propounding of Nagarjuna’s Correct View of Emptiness, so necessary for this degenerate age, continues to flourish. So this website highlights and presents all these in its articles and writeups.
Furthermore, following the tradition, since Lord Buddha’s time, the truth of the dharma goes forth from this website, via the method of thorough investigation and via sound logic and reasoning. Also the age-old time-tested Buddhist tradition of proving the truth and convincing people about the truth, through debate, is provided for , via the FORUM platform of this website.
As all the testimonials and letters of appreciation from great Shugden monasteries , Labrangs of H H Gaden Trisur and others, and other Buddhist groups under High Lamas, show, this is the only website that presents all the above in the most open way and the way of peace and moderation, knowing that the middle way is always the best way, as Lord Buddha has shown.
How can this website close down? It’s like asking that a beacon of truth and wisdom in this sea of storm and darkness be removed and plunging all into darkness again. When will there be light again? Again, if the website goes down, we are doomed to waiting for an interminably long period for the ban to be lifted , if it were ever to be lifted without the help of this website. Think of the continuing and never-ending suffering of Shugden practitioners, who will not hit back.
Han Sing
October 29, 2014
Dear DS.com, I feel very sad that hear you want to close down, personally I not agreed your decision! What I want to say actually is similar above. However I still want to speak out if we want to reduce the suffering from many, or lift the ban quickly then this website cannot shut down in this moment. That all I want to say to you. Thank you.
Justin Ryen
October 30, 2014
Dear ds.com, please do not shut down this website, what ever the reason please continue for the sake of truth and for the millions of Dorje Shugden practitioner around the world.
Lobsang chökyi
October 30, 2014
I’m really sad to hear that DS.com will shot down. I think is big mistake. Unified people is very hard task, because we all stuck in own dual mind. This is the history of human kind since night of time! ban is discrimination, a lot people been and will victim of violence, violence (physical as verbal) is the act of those who don’t have any rational, and logical arguments to sustain them point of view, DS.com stand as the only right way to do opposition. No violent approaches still long and hard path. In any conflictual situation those under spotlight become target. It’s usual in intelligence agency to use troublemaker to dislocate group, never forget that. It very efficient.
Even behind first glance of hard time, please don’t close this site.
Best regard
Gordon Tae
October 30, 2014
Personally and I think to many others it does not matter if we know the kind owner and sponsor of this amazing Dorje Shugden website. Because their kindness will spread far and wide touching and changing people’s lives. Well, not everyone wants to be credited or is crazy over name and status. They wish to remain anonymous and that is just fine. How many generous folks do we know who donate to orphanages, charities and support causes anonymously as they do not want to attract attention to themselves but want to direct all efforts to helping the needy? And getting a tax exemption is obviously not important for them.
Please don’t cease this website and your meritorious activities as I strongly believe that an endless sea of sentient beings will benefit from them.
Sincerely,
Gordon Tae
Dhondup
October 30, 2014
Dear Dorjeshugden.com,
I am Tibetan living in a european country with a sizeable tibetan community since the 60`s. My whole Family has been affected by this ban started in 1996. We have every since been discriminated and ostracized . The situation for our family became so bad that about a decade ago we had to move from the town in which we had been living for so many years to the anonymity of a bigger City.
I ask now my fellow non-shugden worshiping Tibetans since you claim that Dorje Shugden is so bad give me just one example in your daily life where Dorje Shugden worship has caused you any harm. Most probably you won`t be able to come up even with one incident. Please note that prior to the ban we never had this rift in our community and it is only after the ban that our community got split so much. I therefore ask you what is the use of a ban which is causing so much pain and disharmony in our community ? Is it not high time that we strated thinking for ourselves and not followed someone just because he said so ? Note if you think my questioning the Dalai Lama is heresy then keep my mind what Lord Budha advised about checking and verifying his teachings on our own.
The very fact that so many Non-Shugden Tibetan followers are comenting here an applauding your decision to shut down the website should bring a change in your mind cause does that not proof that your reach is not only amongst the shugden community but also outside of it. Your site is extensive and well researched. For any claims that you make you have proof to back it up.
My whole family supports you 100% and we request your staff and sponsors to not shut down this site. This site is the only source where people can get well researched information. Your are our voice to the outside world do not take this voice from us.
Sincerly,
A Tibetan Family
samayakeeper
October 30, 2014
This website has benefited me tremendously and I’m sure it has also benefited others. I urge those who have benefited and those who will benefit to come forth to show your support by rallying behind the hardworking people of dorjeshugden.com. And for those who wish to donate please do. Reading the list posted here I now realize the mountains of work that go into keeping this website afloat and interesting so that people like me and you are keep abreast of the latest news. I will contact admin to offer my services. Thank you guys, the unsung heroes, for your great beneficial works. PLEASE CONTINUE.
Annette
October 30, 2014
The worst thing that can happen now is a schism within the Dorje Shugden Sangha. Please don’t let this happen, don’t get discouraged when difficulties arrise. We are so close to turn the page! Please continue with the homepage dorjeshugden.com! Just ask Dorje Shugden for help
Mipham
October 30, 2014
Hello administrator DS.com,
Wow, by reading the comments of some DS worshipers I am really flushed away to see how ignorant people are. I remember the story of when three people secretly planned to steal the goat of a foolish ignorant man by claiming his goat is a dog. just by repeating many times some thing is good and God it won’t become good and God. Look don’t talk the nonsense of your claimed truth. All the claimings of DS.com are baseless speculations based on fabricated info sources.
Don’t speak nonsense of purity of Gelug teachings dependent on DS. Wasn’t the Gelug teachings practiced before the time of 5th Dalai Lama pure? Wasn’t the Gelug practiced by Tulku draga Gyaltsen pure? Because according to your logic DS was not yet out at that time. Aren’t those great teachers of Trijang Rinpoche and Phabonkha Rinpoche who didn’t practiced DS were practicing pure Gelug teaching? Phabonkha Rinpoche and Trijang Rinpoche both are great scholars and practitioners, there is no doubt and question on that. But is that a good reason to protest against H.H. Dalai Lama.
I think if H. Eminence Trijang Rinpoche will be alive today he definitely will advise everyone to follow the guidance of His Holiness the Dalai Lama instead of protesting against him. If you say this is just my speculation, then your claims of promoting and preserving the teachings and tradition of Phabongkha Rinpoche and H.E. Trijang Rinpoche too is a speculation. Have you ever read one single line from the biography of H.E. Trijang Rinpoche saying, he directly encouraged and advised even a single person to take (sogted) blessing of DS. I don’t think so. So there is no proof of him promoting DS.
Division among Tibetans is indeed a sad thing, but if it happens for a good purpose then there is nothing wrong in that. During the lifetime of Buddha a schism among his sangha happened but that ended up when a group admitted their mistake other accepted the apology. That schism and arguments lasted for 12 years before restoration of harmony. So please be informed that if there is a problem there definitely will be solution for it. We hope it will show up soon. Please don’t be naive and innocent, it is natural to have problems, issues and arguments in a democratic society. Every one should think big and look for distant future. Finally, I conclude with heartfelt prayers for great health and long life to His Holiness. May all his great wishes be fulfilled. Love to all,
Mipham
Tsewang
October 30, 2014
I am not gelukpa, but I respect pure Geluk sect. Basically I am Nyingmapa and know nothing about this devil’s history. Since issues like ‘shugden followers killed Geshe Lobsang Gyatso and his 2 students in Dhasa’, I realized at last that Dorje Shugden Group is nothing but Terrorist.
Still I feel pity especially to all Westerners who blindly follows Shugdhen.
Very few Tibetan people who propagate Shugdhen are meant only for Revenge to non-shugdhen TIbetans, craving after money, and their main goal is mislead many westerners to the dark destination.
To all Shugdhen followers, i still reminding and advising compassionately you that it is still not late to GIVE UP this demon’s practice or YOU RUIN yourselves in hell for thousands of Kalpas.
Om AH Hung Vajra Guru Padma sidhi HUng.
རྒྱ་མཚོ།
October 30, 2014
ཤུགས་ལྡན་བསྟེན་མཁན་གྱི་ནང་དུ་བོད་ཡིག་ཤེས་མཁན་མི་འདྲ་ཡོད་དམ།རྗེ་རིན་པོ་ཆེའི་བསྟན་པ་རྒྱུན་འཛིན་བྱེད་དགོས་ན།ཇི་ལྟར་རྗེ་བླ་མས།
དང་པོ་རྒྱ་ཆེན་ཐོས་བ་མང་དུ་བསྩལ།བར་ཏུ་གཞུང་ལུགས་ཐམས་ཅད་གདམས་པར་ཤར།
ཐ་མ་ཉིན་མཚན་ཀུན་དུ་ཉམས་སུ་བླངས།ཀུན་ཀྱང་བསྟན་པ་རྒྱས་བའི་ཆེད་དུ་བསྔོ།
ཞེས་གསུང་བ་ལྟར།སློབ་གཉེར་ཡག་པོ་བྱས་དགོས་བ་རེད་མ་གཏོགས།གདོན་འདྲེ་བསྟེན་ནས་ཅི་ཡང་ཡོང་གིན་མ་རེད།
Ringo Starr
October 30, 2014
“Gyatso”, that’s because H.H. and the CTA refuse to discuss it debate style or even in an open meeting.
Gyatso
October 30, 2014
Ringo Starr,
how are we going to debate about this? how can you debate with illiterate folklore Lamas?
if you want to debate with people, you have to accept the reason and rationality first. otherwise, how are you going to debate with people who don’t accept reason and simple logics?
gyatso
October 30, 2014
the issues are; (1) it is whether the Dalai lama has right to speak out against this devil. (2)Monasteries have rights to ban this devil in their monasteries.
Ringo Starr
October 30, 2014
Gyatso, calling someone the devil a million times does not make him the devil, but it may make the caller a devil.
Lobsang chökyi
October 30, 2014
Dear gyatso
I read your posts, it the art of throw insults you seem a great master! Send us to go I read Tsongkhapa work, did you miss the part of compassion, kindness, respect…..? Own personal believe, under ego, let us believe that what we believe is THE TRUTH the only one truth. I think things are more complicated than that, truth have multiple facets, Hindu, Muslim, Hebrew, Christian, as Buddhism all those practice, all of them are sure they have the truth. All those spiritual practice gave Holy people, many way bring spiritual achievement. We have connection with on one way that become own truth.
You have the right to not be agree with Dharmapala practice, do your practice as is seem be ok for you to do it. But how others doing them practice, is not your business. Dorje shugden practice will not take a end. You have to do with that. Your rights stop where the rights of other begin. physical, verbal, ban people to come in store, ostracism people are aggression and this going against own fundamental rights, rights determinate by United Nation in human right chart. We will stand as long it’s need to own fundamental rights. As I said, do your practice as it’s seem to you be good for you and how other do them practice is simply not you business
Best regard
E.R.
October 30, 2014
to ADMIN and everybody: ” CAMPAIGN: 10 EURO A MONTH FOR DORJESHUGDEN.COM”
what do you think about that? Now I am finally realizing how much job and huge costs are behind this wonderful and peaceful website….it cannot all stay on a few people’s shoulders!!!
I don’have big economic resources but I will be happy to do that..there are 100.000 likes on the facebook page and if a certain number of people do the same it would be a practical way to show our appreciation and support your job!!!
I will start immediately ( by the way , is it fine to donate on the page “support the sangha”?? I cannot find an area where to donate for the site itself).
…thank you so much for your invaluable job AND PLEASE CONTINUE!!!
Tenzin Trinley
October 30, 2014
Losang Tenpa aka Darrick R. Okkelberg busted aka Duke! A con man in monk’s robe hiding in Shar Gaden helping himself to the fund raised for Sangha Jewels – how convenient. He can easily swindle money from the public for his own end and gather sympathy from friends online who choose wilful blindness over protection of Shugden monasteries and the lineage. Have Shugden Buddhist friends to Tenpa gone topsy-turvey? Do they know they have been conned into taking sides and supporting with Tenpa while sabotaging the Shugden movement to remove the ban? It looks like they have chosen Tenpa over DS.COM who have actively and genuinely working tirelessly around the clock to remove the ban while educating the public on Dorje Shugden and sponsoring Shar Gaden big time to keep the lineage alive and strong. How absurd can it be when people lacking wisdom in their practice make their choice; these friends of Tenpa should be doing more Manjushri mantra!
When DS.COM is closed it will be a great loss to the Shugden world and people. I pray DS.COM will reserve their decision and continue to benefit the world for the time has come for this Great Protector, the world peace protector to spread like wild fire.
Yedi
October 30, 2014
Dear Admins & Owner of DS.com,
i don’t know the background of whatever happened to make you feel disheartened. But i would request you from the bottom of my heart to think over your decision again and to try to find a better solution. Though I’m not a very active member I always appreciated this site and your great effort in all these very interesting and informative articles. Please keep it up!
@gyatso: no you’re not a Jew. It was the part of the Nazis to create artificial crimes to give a reason to accuse the Jews in the public (“Reichskristallnacht”).
It was also part of the Nazis to hang signs in their shops which forbid the Jews to enter. Furthermore it was part of the Nazis to forbid friendship to Jews and to give
them any support. Obviously you don’t know anything about German history.
I’m myself German and I know a lot about the history of my country. And for this reason you will never ever bring me to support people who hang signs in their shops which forbid a certain religious group to enter. Apart from many Tibetans most of Germans have learned their lesson.
Another point is that you’re not obedient to HH the Dalai Lama. He strictly forbid you to contact Dorje Shugden Followers. So why you’re posting here and hanging around to meet us followers? Better to protect your frightened soul and go home into your monastery. Also kitchen work or whatever your duty may be there is important.
Ngachoe
October 30, 2014
Fuck shugden people,👹👈👈👈,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Long life Dalal lama🙏🙏
Sun Bear
October 30, 2014
Ngachoe, Please don’t use vulgar words like these. His Holiness would be a shame of you. Remember this as a Buddhist that we should refrain from accumulating negative speech karma.
Sierra Foxtrot
October 31, 2014
‘the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing’ – Edmund Burke
Tenzin Jigme
October 31, 2014
Through my observation from many comments by non-Shugdenpas, they seem rather ignorant and in some cases completely delusioned by the practice of the Dharma Protector Dorje Shugden. In my years of study on this protector, I find that the compilation of information and praises contained in “Music delighting the Ocean of Protectors” extremely useful and comprehensive, yet simple to understand.
As printed on the cover of the book “This is an account expressing the realizations of the wonderful 3 secrets of the emanated Great Dharma King Mighty Dorje Shugden, supreme protector of conqueror Manjushri Tsongkhapa’s teachings” written by no other then H.E Kyabje Trijiang Dorje Chang.
“I, Yongzin Ganden Trijiang Rinpoche Lozang Yeshe Tenzin Gyatso who strives with heartfelt awe and devotion in the excellent system of Manjushri Lama Je Tsongkhapa, in the great Land of the Aryas, India, Himachal Pradesh, at Kangri Tzong, Dharamsala, Naroji Koti, in 1967, the Tibetan year 2994, in the 16th sixty year cycle, year of the sheep, wrote this by hand”
It is a compilation of material from biographies of Lamas such as Great 5th Dalai Lama, from Chojung Deb Ter, Treasury of Dharma Origins, from guest books of the office of the Kashag of Tibetan Government, from various ancient documents, as well as many miscellaneous ancient written accounts.
Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche is a highly revered Lama and he has followed his Guru Pabongka Rinpoche’s instruction to write this source book. After reading, many doubts get cleared and the practice of DS becomes more pure. I urge all those who have not read, please do.
There is a free download in the ds.com. Thank you to this website for helping so many to clear out their delusions and to achieve a greater level of practice to Enlightment !
gyatso
October 31, 2014
Lobsang chökyi,
you see, this is your people’s problem and we can not have a reasonable discussion.
If you read all my posts, from beginning, I have made very clear to you.
(1) when all this problem started, including me, the most of tibetans did not care the issue and have never heard about this deity. as i have said, the people most would not do anything with theological issues and they would leave all those issues to scholars and lamas in monasteries. Then your evil worship started to kill the people, burring houses, the most importantly, cooperated with the china’s government and tried to undermine TGI and the Dalai Lama, we love and respect. Then we became disgusting and reacted to your stupid people,simply by disassociated with your people, organisations and your names. Is it wrong?
(2) I had a friend (very good friend) and we came to exile together from a crossing himalayas together, and he came from Gyetang and his family was shugden family. I had no issue with him. Even after the dalai lama advised us not to worship this devil, he was still my friend and he was a monk that time and he was studying in south. I continued to support him. then he left monastery and became a lay people and then i saw him he was a demonising , i was shocked, simply shocked. I asked why you were demonstrating, he said “he had no religious religious freedom in the monastery in south” and then I said ” you could have joined the shugden monasteries in south” he has no answer and then i also see from his wechat and he visited in Lhasa and met a chinese official, and i can not go to tibet and he goes as he please, no problem at him. So i realised this is not religious issue and simply a political issue so i have to take stand which i did. i completely disassociate with this friend, his family and even his name. for me, it is simply disgusting. when we were crossing the himalayas together, he almost dead by exhaustion , we carried him to nepal and then tibet refuge helped us take to india, and now i wish he was dead.
all his friend feel this way. we don’t care what he does his home and even he went to shugden monastery in south and i would have continually supported him, but he is changed man, became a collaborator. it is enough for me.
Dondrup Shugden
October 31, 2014
Reading the frustrations of anti Shugden people and how they scream and shout about the contents of this website makes it a compulsory for me to plead with the administrators of Ds.com to continue and not shut down as planned on 8 November . This service to anti Shugden people is the ultimate compassion to the ignorants.
For the sake of being compassionate towards wisdom, please let this website continue and the ultimate truth of the Protector of this Era, Dorje Shugden will prevail.
dorje drakpa
October 31, 2014
It is not question of whether it is right or wrong to rely on Dorje shugden. Each side has its own story. Neither side can ever hope to change the mind of other side. Question is about liberty…. is about individual right. This is about hope to have free society in future Tibet. It is about constitutional right – that is if we regard constitution and law above everyone else. Trichang Rinpoche and Phaphong kha Rinpoche teaches that Dorje shugden is emanation of Manjushree and HHDL says the diety is worldly spirit. So every individual has right to follow the Guru of his/her choice. One cannot force people to have faith in you. One have to earn it – like love or loyalty. This controvercy has created so much suffering for so many Lama, monks and nuns and lay people. I am wondering where is the compassion we talk so much about in our religion. Those of you who are not Dorje shugden follower donnot know extent to which many people are suffering psychologically because of this. If there is slightest shade of compassion in you it is time to be concerned about psychological torture Dorje shugden follower are going through …. especially Tibetans who rely on Dorje shugden.
Yedi
October 31, 2014
@Tsewang
oh great fearless Naljorpa in Guru Rinpoches name, thank you you made my day![:D](http://www.dorjeshugden.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
What unbelievable courage to step into this frightening place while risking to get nightmares … uhm…. but … why are you doing this? Nobody wants you to get nightmares and if your practice and refuge isn’t good enough to bear such energies, simply leave it.
@Gyatso
yes you are right, i’m talking only for myself and not for all Tibetans, this wouldn’t be my duty. It’s simply my point of view which doesn’t mean necessarly that it must be wrong. I know a lot of Tibetans from our Sangha who live here in Europe and still have their families in China. They told me very different things from yours. There is Chinese propaganda and there is Tibetan propaganda and the truth must be anywhere between.
Anyway, i’m a Buddhist and not a Free-Tibet-Fighter. The same i could become a Free-Syria-Fighter or Free-Palestine-Fighter or Free-Whatever-Fighter – our world is huge. The only thing what i really want to fight in this life is to overcome Samsaric birth. This is the only fight which Buddha told us to do.
Then all this devil stories: i heard already very often about them but i never found a proof for it. Neither my Gurus behave like devils nor do they accept their disciples to behave like devils. I tried myself a lot to provoke situations which are considered by HH Dalai Lama and followers to make Dorje Shugden becoming a devil. So i stood in a Gelug place directly beside the room of our old Kutten Lama (the Dorje Shugden oracle) for longer time and did daily my Nyingma practice while having a Guru Rinpoche statue on my altar. And do you know what TERRIBLE thing happened? Ya, the Kutten Lama greeted me daily with a radiant smile. That was it.
Your devil is just a fairytale for children and a hoax . Ashaming how childish adult people can become. Buddha tought us to become fearless Yogis and not weepy superstitious fraidy-cats. When HH the Dalai Lama will tell you the next time that every 1. November a big pumkin ghost with the name Jack o’ Latern wanders through your garden – will you believe it too? You must, because it is the Dalai Lama. Buddha told us to test our Gurus and everything what they say as we would test gold. I did and all what i found whas a piece of charcoal.
Surely you won’t believe me. You can’t because HH Dalai Lama is your Guru. And my Gurus have another view. So let us leave it here. I don’t want to hurt you and i wish you to be happy with your Guru and to have a good success in your spiritual practice. Probably you could take it just as an interesting experience in democracy. In spite of different opinions one can live also together without harrassing each other and bullying around. What do you think?
Yedi
October 31, 2014
P.S. by the next opportunity when meeting Lama Gangchen – which happens sometimes though he’s not my root Guru – i will check myself if he’s able to read Tibetan or not. But will you believe me then, if i tell you he’s able?